Freemason Knights Templar meeting here in Italy 2 days ago, changed my life...

To the original poster.... I respect you for coming out with the truth if you are legit.. But I'm kind of confused as to why you would share this with us?? Its one thing to give the information anonymously, but the info you have shared with us today is probably enough to get you harassed / hurt by these sick people.

So you share this information, then give enough information about yourself to put yourself in danger.. Sounds suicidal, or your just a liar..


So you are smart enough to get into the masons... earn their trust.. but not smart enough to realize that you are the only person in the world who is a Mason Jeweler from Chicago, who went on a trip to Italy, and was present during this meeting? The information you gave about yourself in this post is enough for any powerful group to track you if they so choose.


My apologies if you are legit.. but its just hard to weed out good info from that disinfo... Whats your logic on this?

[edit on 22-4-2010 by WakeUpAndLive]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

Oh FFS! In my last post to you I specifically stated that I'd like to hear Vinny clarify the wherefores and such of his OP. It's been pointed out by many and sundry (Mason and not) the holes in his OP. Pointing out shortcomings in an assertion is part of the Internet give-and-take of discussion.

The general tone of his post would (to someone only passingly familiar with Masonry) make them think that something untoward is going on as part of Regular Masonry and to disabuse them of that hardly deserves enmity.

Whether you accept it or not, denying ignorance doesn't mean I have to quietly sit by and accept at face value all assertions by all comers if I know differently anymore than I'd expect anyone else to were I to make wild assertions about a group they're a member of.

quid pro quo.

reply to post by GeneralRipper



Your post spoke my mind

Harmless cranks who probably believe they're privy to the Secret of All Secrets Handed Down by the Chosen Few

Well intentioned

but ultimately misled (as a rule)

Guess the women murmur and chant and have their houses filled with 'meaningful' objects which are dragged out for meetings, along wiht the good china

Usually harmless though

and probably being used

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by VinnyboyXI
I have nothing against you masons on here.

Oh, now it is 'you' Masons. And here we were thinking that you were one of those 'you Masons'.

Augustus,
I wasn't going to reply, at all, to this mess but that "you Masons" really caught my attention as well!! I am only a lowly EA and then left for work here in the UAE five years ago and I can not find any active Lodges here!! 'magine that!!
There are many Brothers here, especially in the local HOG and in Dubai, even some from Scotland.

Anyway, one other point that I remember distinctly, is that NOTHING should be written down (got my hand slapped for that one). Right? So, opening this thread does pose a problem, even in his home Lodge.

Well, Brother, take care.

Thanks,
Tom

reply to post by JoshNorton


I really must stop drinking diet coke while reading this site.

reply to post by JoshNorton

Appreciate the clarification.

Your welcome my friend. Its a little gift I've acquired by training myself to see beyond the control mechanisms that so easily distract us. It was obvious to me that the poster who I replied to was under some sort of spell and was not able to see that what was below the pyramid was in fact a penis.

So I let him know, in as few words as possible, that we must not associate such pleasant words as phallus to what we are actually seeing. A penis. Which leads me then to wonder, why would a bunch of people get together and put a penis under a pyramid? Maybe they didn't have much going on that day and decided to get together and do just that. Put a penis under a pyramid and have rituals around it.

Now we can easily go the route of sacred this and sacred that and the symbol of the phallus represents such and so, but in the end what in the hell are they doing? They have a penis under a pyramid and they are having a grand old time at that. Different strokes for different folks.

reply to post by jackflap


now that was funny.

I don't care who you are.

reply to post by afaik


Emsed was actually offering to do a service to us. So many are attacking the OP, saying he could not be a Mason. Emsed would simply verify that he is or is not a Mason, then come here and say yes or no. Simple. There is not grand conspiracy behing his offer.

reply to post by WakeUpAndLive


My opinion is that Vinny believes The Good inhabit ATS. And so he wanted to tell The Good what he'd been party to

I'd say he's already been tracked down and subject to some hysterical phone calls by those ever eager to prove what dedicated Masons they are

Doubt Vinny will be hung near the water-line, blah blah for his transgressions (which might be disappointing to the tittle tat brigade)

Maybe he'll be warned and have red-ink spat on his right hand or some other nonsense

Maybe he'll be excommunicated, lol

Which will be the best thing that could happen to him. And he'll escape with his refreshing honesty and sense of wonder and sense of justice relatively unscathed. Which in my opinion is a far better fate for him than to end up a pot-bellied, self-deluding old fool, with nothing to show for his life apart from participation in petty graft and the endless quest for approval, topped-off with a few bits of tin that are ten a penny on ebay

reply to post by Kellter


Looks like a crystal to me.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


Oh for Pete's sake !

Every second man and his dog is or has been a member of the Masons. It's about as exclusive as having a Target Frequent Buyer card

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

Whether you accept it or not, denying ignorance doesn't mean I have to quietly sit by and accept at face value all assertions by all comers if I know differently anymore than I'd expect anyone else to were I to make wild assertions about a group they're a member of.

The old tedious persistence wears out resistance strategy. How lovely.

Let’s review.

1. Nervous poster claims to have had a revealing experience that caused him no small amount of mental trepidation.
2. Nervous Masons circle to immediately tell him what’s wrong with his story, rather than calm his fears and draw the rest out.
3. Nervous Masons begin talking about spelling, and ash clouds, and inventing things in his post that just aren’t there.
4. Nervous Masons start to contemplate the meanings of such things as Jetlag!
5. Proto arrives and spanks nervous Masons for being bad children and chides them to play nicely!
6. Masons go to bed, so Proto can go to bed!
7. Intelligent Posters wake up, and start asking each other questions and discover there is much credence to the Original Posters story through other independent sources they have discovered.
8. Masons wake up and see Proto is still sleeping and start misbehaving!
9. Proto wakes up spanks Masons again!
10. Mason decides to try to make Proto appear mean and not benevolent.
11. Masons still worried about revelations coming out about OP’s story.
12. Masons like to talk about other things beside the OP’s story!
13. BECAUSE MASONS ARE AFRAID OF THE OP’S STORY!

That pretty much sums it up where I am sitting!

Meanwhile Original Poster has long been run off his own thread, deliberately, by Masons telling Original Poster he is not a Mason and if he is he is a bad Mason!

Masons tell everyone what is not, because Masons are part of a conspiracy that they can’t ever reveal what is.

Masons play silly game.

reply to post by Dock9


Which would make it pretty easy to verify then.

Thank you for posting online to tell all your internet buddies about a cool secret you learned. So awesome and powerful that you cannot tell us 99.99% of it and then keep saying that if we were there we would know and understand.

I dont believe you at all.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


You forgot 1.5: Original Poster makes vague and purposely obtuse claims and when questioned on what allegedly transpired at said meeting avoids answering questions.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



Nice post. Very good post

It's good to witness an organised mind in action


as to this

Masons tell everyone what is not, because Masons are part of a conspiracy that they can’t ever reveal what is.

Because they cannot reveal what it is. Because they don't know, and never will. So in order to persuade they're not locked down in the bottom tiers and clueless -- and in order that it nevertheless appears they DO know what is --- they carry on like a bunch of drama-queens as if the OP has spilled blood-secrets and begin speaking in pseudo-Shakespearean gobble-de-gook, delighted to once again be receiving that all-important forum attention (which has been so lacking of late

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Octavian my beloved Nephew, Attia has had the slaves bake your favorite cookies.

You forget your Uncle can read!

Including that my Nephew is abysmal when it comes to interrogating someone for maximum information.

Once again all ground covered exhaustively in the thread.

Once again objective readers to the thread will recognize, that independent verification turned up true evidence that such a conference occurred at the date and place the Original Poster claimed!

Once again all the little Masons, where do they all come from, all the lonely Masons, want to paint the OP as a bum!

Eleanor Rigby…dah dah dah, de de dah, dah de dah!

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dummmmmmm!

It is sometimes hard to keep up with these sort of stories.. They get so many posts at a very fast pace.. Started reading this thread when it was at page 11 and then it grew to page 15 before I even got to 11. Personally I found the most useful information within the first 4 pages; after that it quickly started to get off topic in a sense. The OP doesn't offer much value that a quick Google search wouldn't offer but this thread as a whole offers a great deal of insight. These "emotion" threads can really reveal alot about the people here on this forum. I found a few points of view that I really liked and even more that I felt were not valuable. Personally I am more curious about the people that we share ATS with now than ever before. One line from early on was rather interesting to me; "You really want an inside scoop on the 'real deal'...then Trust God..clean house..help others. " This came from Rosha on the very first page. Rosha made a very logical argument in a few postings but then you begin to see some "emotion" come through. The "Trust God" is self explanatory but the fact that 'trust' is capitalized, to me, shows a level of indoctrination. The part with "help others" is very common among many religions and is tuthfully just common morals. But what does this poster mean by "clean house", here is where it gets fun. My background is in Masonry, as in I was raised as a child with Masonic parents and grandparents. Although they never used this exact term I do remember alot of this type of thinking. There was a moral and civil duty to clean house in essence. I realize that I am labeling people here and I can say that is not my intention but saying that wont change the fact that I picked out one person and used them as an example. So let me go all the way and say there are a number of people in this thread alone that, in my opinion, share the mentality of my parents/grandparents. I don't know if that is a bad thing but in this case, the fact that they were so quick to jump in on this subject it did numb the effect that the OP was attempting to relay; hence the total disintegration of this thread past page 4 and the attempts of some posters, like the Phantom protoplasm guy to try to salvage the thread around page 13.

We are all on the same side, even if we disagree, even if our intentions are to mislead, even if we mean to do harm, we are all on the same side. There is no us verse them, no good or bad. Despite how that may all sound like emotion it isn't, it is logic. This thread is lost but for the next one, the next time we feel compelled to reply or even start a new thread, we need to think about what we say and if it is an emotion or a wisdom. Emotion has it's place and that is in the heart, here logic rules.

I found a place where you can buy clear crystal quartz skulls. They are not perfect though as there are tool markings on them.

I am currently trying to find out what information is available about the crystal skulls in their Templar rituals.

Perhaps I will email the guy if I can find his address.

What I want to know is, does this guy claim these are real skulls (hundreds of years old), or will he admit he bought them (very expensive) and they are fakes.

If he claims they are real, than I have to find out where he got them.

If he admits they are fakes he bought, well, thats sad. (And a massive waste of cash).

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I agree with you voice of questioning Augustus... I too am a mason (Canadian Rite) and am curious of this post. Although, your comment regarding degree practice and initiation is not necessarily the same from state to state. Some states in the US do actually push their membership through quite quickly to "fasttrack" their members to be master masons. It is not uncommon to have all three degrees run though in a weekend. Do I agree with this practice? NO... Here in Canada, we have not practiced this type of raising process. We still tend to even shy away from recruiting members, unlike some lodges in the US. It takes away from the whole "of my own freewill and accord" vow within our obligation.

I don't necessarily buy the original posters story, but I do believe you are not citing enough information regarding current practices within or society of men. Therefore, lets not criticize the process he has described, when it actually does happen this day and age.

Here is an example linked to what I have shared.

United States Grand Master's One Day Classes

As for the Knight's Templar.... Who here is actually a recognized defender of the Christian faith being a Knights Templar?? Chances are NO ONE.