Freemason Knights Templar meeting here in Italy 2 days ago, changed my life...

Originally posted by VinnyboyXI


The first thing I learned shortly after walking through the doors is that the true Freemasons are, in fact the Knights Templar! This meeting was a meeting of the Templar Knights under the guise of the Freemasons.

It is no secret that there are Templar Orders within Freemasonry. I myself am a Past Eminent Commander of a Commandery of Knights Templar, right here in the good ol' US of A. I am also a member of the Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests, if that counts for anything.

Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States

Grand College of America, Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests

It would seem, if your story were true, that your surprise at finding Masonic Templary is unfounded, since Templar degrees have been conferred for almost as long as the Master Mason degree.

As a matter of fact, Masonic Templars regularly march in parades across the United States. If you were really a Mason, how'd you miss all of this?

Below is a pic where you can see a close up of the alter. What is under the pyramid? A phallus?




This is getting weirder by the second.

Originally posted by Saurus
There's also a pic of him with Christopher Knight.

The evidence suggests that he is not just a one-man show.

The Chris Knight one I can dismiss easily enough. It's easy to get pictures with authors, and if this guy is selling tours and making good money doing it, I have no doubt that he could hire Knight as a guest lecturer for some of his racket.

The St.Clair is a little harder to weasel out of. But again, this guy seems to have at least 3 front organizations of various new-age bents. It looks like St.Clair, a rich eccentric in his own right, started the International order, and this guy from Arizona bought the North American rights to the same venture to lend credibility to what he was already doing.

Just my view on it based on what's been exposed so far. I could be wrong.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

I'll put my definition of normal up against you and your grandmother's to see which is more palatable (or less unpalatable). Yours strikes me as holding all save yourself as beneath contempt.

Typical incendiary assumptions meant to provoke emotional reactions, which has been the preferred mode of operation for the Fraternal Brotherhood of Masons on this thread from the very first response.

Hookay!

If you feel likening the average man as being part of the "herd" isn't incendiary on your part then so be it. I'll let others decide yay or nay on that point. Certainly the general tone of your responses have struck me as trolling and I look forward to Vinny returning to clarify the questionable aspects of his assertions. It's getting onto dinner time in Italy so I should think he should be returning within the next few hours.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Further, it stands in stark contrast to the reality, that each person’s perception is their own reality, therefore each person’s version of reality is somewhat unique and would naturally cause them to question everyone else’s version of reality at some point or another.

Everyone's particulars are particular. But the particulars aren't usually so atypical on any kind of large scale as to exclude commonality. There are exceptions but they are precisely that: exceptions. Exceptions don't prove the rule.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Where you see this as contempt for the masses, while engaged in the dubious practice of foisting highly assumptive, self serving contentions on others as a substitute for truly well quantified and qualified critical analysis is beyond me.

My read on the tone of your post. If that's in error, then tant pit. The Internet isn't the best method of communicating subtlety.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The Brotherhood’s reactions have been typically as they always are...[snip]

Interesting you ride the high horse of individuality at one turn and then reverse yourself to tar with commonality the next. Interesting that.

reply to post by VinnyboyXI


Thanks OP, interesting read. But IMO, it looks all over the bloody place. A complete fabrication and all hotch potch from some Psychologist.Knights Templar and Masons and proxy meetings, but a commendable attempt at inventing a conspiracy.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Yeah, that's the one I thought you meant. Sunglasses. My guess is "transition" lenses... you know, the kind that automatically darken in bright light? I mean, they are in Arizona, after all, and that room does seem to have a lot of windows...

Get the man a spliff and the picture'd be complete!

But I digress! [/derail]

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Masonic Light, do you know anything about this organization?

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Get the man a spliff and the picture'd be complete!

LOL

Originally posted by Saurus
reply to post by Masonic Light

 

Masonic Light, do you know anything about this organization?

Only from what it says on their website. They are not a Masonic order.

How did they get the Crystal Skulls??

LOOK they got 3 of them!

Are they fake??! I dont know.

Do they look real?? YES.

Those skulls are priceless, and according to legend there is only like 12 or 13 of them total existing on Earth.

Supposedly only like half of them have been found.

So how did this guy get 3 crystal skulls??

They GOT to be Fake Right?

But they look Soooo real!

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


What I feel is irrelevant too the topic of the thread. So please, perhaps you should keep your propensity for assumption based on your desire to be a Masonic Cat Herder, on the original topic.

Which I imagine is something you would prefer not to do, since we have uncovered clear evidence that a Conference similar to the one the Original Poster claims to have attended did in fact occur, over the dates and in the place he claimed that it did.

Further that Masons and Templar Knights of the Gnostic Order were involved.

The conference itself appears to be about the creation of one world spirituality, as claimed by the conference organizers and how to initiate it.

Now that really is what the thread is about.

You are in fact doing, simply what I have pointed out that the Masonic Forum Gang here on ATS loves to do, and that’s to put all their efforts into derailing topics that incriminate Masonry as a conspiracy amongst its members to effect world events and control of the masses.

The Original Posters story has some very credible elements to it, and genuine members of ATS who are here to discuss conspiracies, are interested in knowing more about that.

Why some would be frightened of that process, and have such contempt for it, that they would need to make it about something else?

reply to post by Kellter

Below is a pic where you can see a close up of the alter. What is under the pyramid? A phallus?

No I believe you have been distracted by all of the hypnotic symbology found in that picture. To me it looks like a penis.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by jackflap]

reply to post by Masonic Light

I am also a member of the Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests, if that counts for anything.

No offence intended, but to be perfectly frank, it doesn't count for a thing, really, unless you are prepared to place the welfare of your fellow-man before your loyalty to a group who're reputed to engage in sayanim-type 'back scratching for personal benefit and profit'

How do you define your ideals within your membership of the groups you claim you belong to ? Whose interests are being served ? And I'm not referring here to the frequently trotted-out claims by members of men's only groups that they conduct sausage-sizzles to raise money for orphans, admirable though that might be

Further, despite your claimed titles, can you really claim to be anything other than window-dressing for the groups to which you belong ? The 'human and nice face' of groups which are so distrusted by the general community ?

What actual knowledge are you privy to ? Or are you merely within the lower levels of that pyramid, forever doomed to be nothing more than a worker in the lower levels ? Therefore, apart from vanity, do you truly believe you're anything more than a salesman for your group --- just another useful tool to be used to drum up business and converts online and elsewhere ?

They bestow a few titles upon you, of which you're clearly very proud. But they do that in grade school, too. They appoint a child who clearly demonstrates a need for recognition, as 'flower arranger'. Another child with similar ambitions to stand out from the herd is apointed bell-ringer. Another is chosen to clean the white/black boards, etc. The children thus chosen get to feel 'special' --- and they do the minor tasks which makes teacher's day so much easier

I can see those children joining organisations such as the Masons when they get older. They're needy children. They crave 'appreciation' and praise. They're not very strong and they're usually of average or lower intelligence, so they need to 'belong', yet at the same time, they desperately strive to scramble even half a rung higher than the rest. Usually, they have over-possessive and over-nurturing mothers ... mothers with thwarted ambitions which they transfer to their little blue-eyed boys. 'Get into a network' they tell their sons .... ' We don't have connections and we don't have money (and you're not terribly bright of capable) ... so get into the Masons. They'll take care of you '

And they do, don't they ? It's sort of like the Scouts. Awards and medals and commendations, one rung at a time. A little world on its own, which its members need to believe is the centre of the world. Sort of like 'gaining importance' on the cheap. All you have to do is be an obedient little boy and polish the right apples and they'll tell your how 'vital' you are to the organisation. Except they're laughing behind your back at the pride the good little members take in their cheap jewels of office

Sorry, but a real man thinks for himself and refuses to sell his principles and ideals for any amount of pats on the head and condescending praise

www.gnostictemplars.org...
"Joshua Shapiro: Crystal Skulls
Joshua Shapiro is one of the world's leading experts on the mysteries of the Crystal Skulls.
His vast knowledge includes their esoteric history, their use as Holy Grails, and the role they have to play in the prophesied "Golden Age". Joshua is the author of Mysteries of the Crystal Skulls Revealed, written jointly with Sandra Bowen and F. R. ‘Nick’ Nocerino, as well as Journies of the Crystal Skull Explorers, his new book written with the help of his partner, Blue Arrow Rainbow. "

Josh is a Guardian of the Holy Grail. According to this website.

And he is directly connected to the crystal skulls.

THIS is NUTS!!!!

[edit on 22-4-2010 by muzzleflash]

To me this looks like just another new age prophet starting his own movement.

Look at this "introduction"



an 18-day e-course? Sounds like an evil organisation. An evil organisation that wants to take advantage of people's spiritual doubts to get money.

I'm not sure what sort of influence they have (if any). But these guys don't seem to have anything to do with NWO or the freemasons.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
How did they get the Crystal Skulls??

LOOK they got 3 of them!

A liquor store?
crystalheadvodka.com...

reply to post by VinnyboyXI


Ok, so check this article out. "A giant ash cloud from an Icelandic volcano will keep Virginia Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling from attending Wednesday's one-day legislative session. Bolling has been in Italy since last week participating in an economic development symposium, where he spoke Tuesday."

Could Bolling be a member of the Knights Templar? Could he have possibly attended the meeting the OP referred to? The timing seems right.

Just a thought.

wtop.com...

You can become a MM in one day. Some states do a one day class.

I also think that Bro network dude is correct. I was unaware of the Scottish and York rites until recently.

Bro:. Patrick Ward, who will be shipping out with the US Navy on February 10th, received the Three Symbolic Degrees of Freemasonry in one day by dispensation of the Grand Master. The event was held on Saturday February 6, 2010 at Gulf Beach Lodge. The Entered Apprentice Degree began at 10:00 am, followed by the Fellow Craft Degree, then lunch was served. After lunch Bro:. Ward was raised to the Sublime Degree of Master Mason. Taking part in the ceremonies were R:.W:. Ed Street, District Deputy Grand Master and R:.H:. James Clouser, District Instructor

Link


-Al

[edit on 22-4-2010 by AlBeMet]

You don't get crystal skulls by being a no body.

They are priceless and rare.

The real ones I mean, if indeed these skulls are the real deal.

IF the skulls are real, that means this organization is Legit and super important.

Please go read up on the "Legend of the Crystal Skulls".

Supposedly they are super important pieces in our history and can reveal so much to us.

In fact some scientist said his theory is that it was some form of super computer capable of holding information. But this is due to the fact legends claim anyone in possession of the crystal skulls will gain great influence and power from them, and knowledge.

You just don't have crystal skulls (real ones) laying around like that.

They are priceless artifacts that should be in a museum not in a little stuffy room like that.

OR, they are fakes. I am kinda thinking they are probably real though.

Man this is blowing me away lol.

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by Kellter

 

Below is a pic where you can see a close up of the alter. What is under the pyramid? A phallus?

No I believe you have been distracted by the all of the hypnotic symbology found in that picture. To me it looks like a penis.

Thanks for setting the record straight. The thing that one person says looks like a phallus, you claim looks like a penis, but Kellter just thought it was a phallus because he/she was distracted. Appreciate the clarification.