Crop Circles, 2010 & Beyond: Ignore Denial?

Originally posted by Reign02
crop circles are man made people..... Do some research and open your mind to other possiblities.

I am not sure if you are being serious so I will hold off the flaming, if we do indeed research and open our minds, we will see that crop circles are not a new phenomena. The mowing devil for example and the law to forbid people to enter the sacred grounds.

Zulu shamen say their ancestors planted corn or millet on sacred sites, into which no-one was then allowed.

Only the birds who fed on the seeds, and small animals who lived there, entered the protected fields after the planting.

Tribesmen were accordingly astonished when circular patterns were later found in the centre of the crops.

“These circles were an amazing sight to see,” says Zulu holy man Credo Mutwa. “The gods never cut the stalks of the corn or millet when they formed these depressions. It appeared as though a great circular disc-shaped force had descended on the field.

“It pressed the corn into the ground without breaking the stalks or damaging the plants. Then the force appeaed to have spun, resulting in the strange spiral appearance of the fallen stalks.

“Whenever a circle appeared in the fields, the people rushed to erect a fence of poles around the circle. They would dance and perform other sacred rituals honouring the star gods and the Earth Mother.

Aboriginal cave drawings in Western Australia also appear to depict crop circles, as do ancient etchings in Ireland. Later, in 1678, a woodcut titled ‘The Mowing Devil’ told of a circle in Hertfordshire.

I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to see that there are intriguing loose ends when it comes to crop circles. Man made indeed


Link to source

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Everything this guy said in his quote above is parroted from "information" that he picked up on the internet. None of those quotes above are his own, nor did he verify them.

It's pretty sad when people believe everything they read on the internet.

This is one of the biggest cop outs I hear time and time again on ATS and from people who refuse to believe that the world they live in is something very different than what we are told.

My argument to people who say this is: Why do you watch the news?, why do you read a newspaper,why do you have the internet at all.

I am sorry but to say that

Its pretty sad when people believe everything they read on the internet

when there are many many talented members on this site who spend alot of their own time researching all sorts of topics and providing this site with countless of useful information is just down right ignorant, condescending and insulting

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
Does anyone think that there could be a possibility of someone creating a computer program that could create an image on the ground like a printer. only from a satellite and with evolved laser technology. After all, a laser involves heat, and a signature of crop circles involve nodes bent like from something radiant. jus sayin,.. don't hate

[edit on 16-4-2010 by Lil Drummerboy]

Hmmm
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Originally posted by franspeakfree


This is one of the biggest cop outs I hear time and time again on ATS and from people who refuse to believe that the world they live in is something very different than what we are told.

The important part in bold

To believe the world is different from what we are told we want EVIDENCE people mention that orbs create the crop circles.

I remember when this was shown on Tv in the UK on the news.

www.youtube.com...

I have grown up through the 60's 70's etc to the present day and have heard all the topics on here re science ,ufo's , free energy machines etc
BLOWN out of all proportions over the years with the constant quotes
of

best evidence for ufo, aliens etc
free energy machine to be demonstrated/launched
bet you cant debunk this that and the next thing
full disclosure will happen this year...
face on Mars etc

Still waiting for the proof glad I didn't have to hold my breath

You criticise people for questioning way out claims it works both ways.
We have evidence of people MAKING crop circles we DONT have any evidence of MOG from ZOG, anyone or thing from whatever dimension some on here claim or little shiny balls making them.

Lets be honest if we could travel to another planet that had intelligent life on
it WHAT way would you try to communicte first.

Would you arrive at night and cut their LAWN

Dont think you would.

Originally posted by judge360
Here's Some More Quality CropCircles

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Could These BE Man Made?

I'd Say Yes But In A Few Hours NO!

DAYS Maybe BUT??

In A FEW HOURS??

DEFO NO!

And People STILL Think We Make Them LMFAO

With No Evidence To Say OtherWise Either

These two pictures are of an identical 'crop circle' apart from the 'tail' symbols that can be seen on the first photo. If the second photo was viewed first things would make more sense. These two photos seem to show one 'crop circle' in various stages of construction. This suggests this particular crop circle was certainly not made overnight in a few hours.

I've noticed many saying crop circles can't possibly be made overnight in a few hours. Unfortunately we are only told they appeared overnight. We should be wary of just accepting these reports at face value. I remember reading somewhere about one crop circle that was reported as appearing overnight and then some time later a pilot contradicted this story as he had pictures of the crop circle in an earlier stage from when he flew over a few days earlier. The only people that could be really sure are probably the farmers.

I'm still undecided here as I don't think we can be 100% certain all crop circles are man made, it's evident that some of them are though.

The reports of heat and radiation are interesting and I'm excited by the videos with the orbs. Why doesn't somebody set up cameras with night vision through out the circle season to see if they can catch the culprits (human or alien) in action?

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


You are correct, that particular crop circle took 3 stages to complete, over a period of 9 days.

To say it was made over night or in a few hours is completely wrong, and misleading.

Here is a discussion about that particular crop circle and the amount of days it took to create it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

well this is how pretty much every crop circle discussion goes.

posterA : Look at this picture of a crop circle made by aliens. (pic)

posterB: That one was made by people (link) see them making it?

posterA: OMG not all crop cricles were made by people they are way to complex and have too many anomalies to be made by people.

posterB : Which ones? what anomalies?

posterA: Do your own research deny ignorance.

reply to post by wmd_2008

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Originally posted by wmd_2008

"To believe the world is different from what we are told we want EVIDENCE.."

Who is telling you the world is as we are being told?

Could you perhaps provide a link to the place
where we can find evidence that the world
is indeed as we are being told?

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reply to post by zaiger

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Originally posted by Zaiger
"The fact that you say that no crop circle artists have been caught
in the act only prooves your lack of knowledge of the subject you are talking about."

Zaiger,

The fact that you choose to post this insinuation just shows
that your case is not as strong as you wish it to be.

You haven't got anything more convincing to 'smear' me?

Even if you do, that still wouldn't solve the question
as to the origin of the crop circle phenomenon.

I merely act upon my right to voice my opinion
and in no way do I consider nor do I present myself
as some self-proclaimed 'specialist'.

The fact that some folks make some CCs really is no news.

Indeed, it is very old news.

Those two links and the story provided date back to 2000.

It surely does not, and has not settled the case once and for good.

No alleged 'crop circle artists' have been caught in the act
in the sense that it has explained the origin of the decades old CC phenomenon.

There simply are too many documented CCs that have
never been convincingly attributed to be man-made.

Next to that, claims regarding the 'making of'
often/usually go without offering any actual solid
evidence/proof to back up the claims.

As is the case with cropcirclemakers.org,
the 'source' you have been spamming this thread with.

The fact that some folks can make a CC, and provide the facts,
doesn't prove they've made all the others where no facts have been provided.

Similar unsubstantiated claims have come from D&D, and xld-sign.

Anyone who could actually prove that the CC phenomenon is entirely
of down to earth man-made origin, would instantly become a celebrity
and surely the evidence/proof would be broadcast all over the world.

Instead we see very dubious and poor attempts to make the gullible
look the other way without answering any actual pertinent questions.

Originally posted by Zaiger
"Please post one example or a link to the thread where it was debunked."

Regarding the Orb footage, I'm not aware they would have been
convincingly 'debunked', yet some folks consider it to be so.

Either way, anyone can look up the videos/discussions
and make up their minds as to their relevance.

Originally posted by Zaiger
"If they were trying to tell us they were here why not just
do some blue angle type fly overs on some major cities?
Why sneak in durring the night and leave simple geometric shapes in crops?"

If it would be the case, as is my point of view,
that extra-terrestrials are seeking to make their presence known
in a gradual, delicate and non-intrusive way,
it would make sense, wouldn't it?

We all know what happened when Orson Welles broadcasted
his entertainment radio show regarding 'invading Martians'.

As far as I'm concerned, it seems they are in fact doing "flyovers"
as well as making crop circles.

There are quite a few interesting videos available showing
some apparant "flyovers", even if not as spectacular as many
of us would love to see and even if considered 'debunked' by others.

We are all on our own when it comes to assessing the validity
and relevance of things that are being seen and videotaped in our skies.

Has the Norway spiral been convincingly 'debunked' yet?

Was it merely a 'failed missile launch', as the MSM wants us to 'believe'?

Was it some miraculous, as yet, unknown once in a time natural phenomenon?

Or was it some 'hologram', created with speculative non-existent technology,
as insinuated by the 'an-alien dis-info crew'?


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Originally posted by FeatheredSerpent
"The 2 most interesting crop circles i seen are the ones that were an "apparent"
reply to a message sent from the uk in 1974,i would provide a link but not sure how,
if you not heard of these and are interested search "2 most important crop circles" on youtube,
is a quite an interesting story that one.nice thread"

FeatheredSerpent,

Interesting, just signed up?

Welcome on board.

Please check my post here, at this thread, as to my take
on one of the two so-called "most important crop circles":

www.abovetopsecret.com...

snippet:

Originally posted by Sol12

For similar reason, and several others,
I am absolutely convinced that the infamous
crop circle below is man-made.

It is the only existing crop circle which
has received unprecedented wide-spread attention.

Another tell-tale sign is the fact that it depicts
a typical Hollywood style dis-info 'grey'.

And my post here, also at this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

snippet:

Originally posted by Sol12

"Thanks to the 'an-alien dis-info crew', there is
a lot of socially-engineered overheated imagination."

A forum search will provide you with some dedicated threads
where these CCs are being discussed.

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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

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Originally posted by wmd_2008

"To believe the world is different from what we are told we want EVIDENCE.."

Who is telling you the world is as we are being told?

Could you perhaps provide a link to the place
where we can find evidence that the world
is indeed as we are being told?

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Re read my post have had 35+ yrs of having an interest and education in science and technology and I keep seeing the same BS being repeated.

RE Crop circles
UFO pics/videos
Moon landing Hoax
Face on Mars
Free Energy etc etc.

Like I say old enough to have seen this on TV news

www.youtube.com...

So much for the orbs eh

So remember everyone if you get a chance to communicate with Aliens make sure this is in your kit.

www.ilcaustralia.org...

reply to post by OnceReturned


Lets compare your opinion on the human involvement of Crop Circle making to a much more mundane example.

In my house, I have two roommates. We typically like to buy and (some) eat bananas, but there is no set rule as to who gets how many bananas. I know for a fact that roommate A loves bananas and has been known to eat them. Roommate B has never been satisfactorily observed by me as loving or eating bananas, though friends that have stayed over have claimed that he has.

Now since I know roommate A eats bananas, is it safe to assume that when bananas disappear when roommate A is gone, or when roommate A is otherwise incapable of eating bananas (As compared to the intricacy of some crop circles and limited amount of darkness in which to makes them) that roommate A is the sole consumer of bananas?

It would be fair more logical for me to assume that if roommate A were incapable of consuming bananas, that roommate B must be consuming at least some of the bananas. The only other option is to assume that the bananas simply disappeared.

Now I ask you, are you proposing that some of these Crop Circles, simply appeared of their own accord? The grain stalks just decided tonight would be a great night to lay down in intricate geometric formations?

In some places (especially Great Britain) Crop circles have appeared 3 or more a night. All of them very large and very intricate. A single formation would take a well organised team of at least 20 people, silent, under the cover of darkness, using no light sources, to do just one (of such intricacy) in that amount of time. The scale on which this would need to be on is immense.

if you are not suggesting that they simply appeared, if you are ignoring the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence, then you are suggesting that some massive world organisation is involved in an intricate, well trained, and costly crop circle making conspiracy.

For no one would put that amount of resources into it for a simple prank.
Furthermore, what would any such group stand to gain from this?

I, for one, think that outside intelligences are a more plausible explanation.

reply to post by Sol12

The fact that you choose to post this insinuation just shows
that your case is not as strong as you wish it to be.

No not at all you said and you can re-read the thread if you wish

No alleged 'crop circle artists' have been caught in the act

And they have and i have provided some links prooving that crop circle artists have been caught which shows that in fact you do not know as much as you think you do about the subject.

Regarding the Orb footage, I'm not aware they would have been
convincingly 'debunked', yet some folks consider it to be so.

Either way, anyone can look up the videos/discussions
and make up their minds as to their relevance.

Fine post any video, you were the one saying that there were videos of orbs making crop circles please post one or more.

You have yet to contribute anything, like 9/10 crop cricle discussions, people who believe that they are not man made make claims with nothing to back them up while people like me like specifics.
So please share with us any real info reguarding your claims of crop circles. This conversation went exactly how i said it would, you made a claim i asked for info and you said do your own research. Am i psychic? Or is the "aliens make crop cricles" argument that predictable ?

well this is how pretty much every crop circle discussion goes.

posterA : Look at this picture of a crop circle made by aliens. (pic)

posterB: That one was made by people (link) see them making it?

posterA: OMG not all crop cricles were made by people they are way to complex and have too many anomalies to be made by people.

posterB : Which ones? what anomalies?

posterA: Do your own research deny ignorance.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by zaiger]

Originally posted by Visual_Death
reply to post by OnceReturned

 

Now since I know roommate A eats bananas, is it safe to assume that when bananas disappear when roommate A is gone, or when roommate A is otherwise incapable of eating bananas (As compared to the intricacy of some crop circles and limited amount of darkness in which to makes them) that roommate A is the sole consumer of bananas?

It would be fair more logical for me to assume that if roommate A were incapable of consuming bananas, that roommate B must be consuming at least some of the bananas. The only other option is to assume that the bananas simply disappeared.

Hmm. . . I don't think you got the analogy quite right. If a single banana was eaten very quickly, or if a whole bushel of bananas was eaten in a single night, would you conclude that aliens must have eaten them? Because that's what you're doing with the crop circles.

No one has been able rule out humans, they just say that some particular circle would be really hard for humans to make(so hard that it's more likely for aliens to have made it?). So in the analogy, we can't rule out roommate A. Also, the crop circles are being used as evidence that ETs visit earth, we certainly don't know for sure that they do. So, in your analogy would you say that roommate B had eaten the bananas even if you didn't know that you had a 3rd roommate? How likely is it that you have a third roommate and the only sign of him is some missing bananas? Do missing bananas make you think that someone else is living with you? Isn't it infinitely more likely that roommate A ate them when you weren't looking, and that he ate more than you thought he was capable of eating? Or do you think that your assessment of roommate A's banana eating abilities are so accurate that if your expectations are exceeded then aliens must be involved?

Now I ask you, are you proposing that some of these Crop Circles, simply appeared of their own accord? The grain stalks just decided tonight would be a great night to lay down in intricate geometric formations?

No, I'm not. I'm saying that if you could prove that people didn't do it, you would be left with something unexplained. You propose the ET explanation in this case. I ask you, "why is the ET explanation better than anything else anyone can make up?" What evidence is there that prefers ET's to wizards or gods or people from the future? The fact that once you rule humans the only explanation that occurs to you is ETs is not evidence for the ET explanation. Saying, "what else could it be?" is not evidence. If you ruled out humans I would propose wizards from the future. Is there any evidence to tell us who's right? I'm not actually serious about the wizards, I say that in order to make it clear that "unknown origins" are not the same as "ET origins" and that there is no evidence prefering any specific explanation once you rule out humans.

In some places (especially Great Britain) Crop circles have appeared 3 or more a night. All of them very large and very intricate. A single formation would take a well organised team of at least 20 people, silent, under the cover of darkness, using no light sources, to do just one (of such intricacy) in that amount of time. The scale on which this would need to be on is immense.

Wow, 20 people? That is immense. Certainly far beyond the capacity of humans to organize in those kinds of numbers.

That argument cannot be compelling, even to the most die hard believers. It's very clearly not impossible for groups of people to get together and do things. And let's think about your alternative for a second: don't you think that sending a spaceship across interstellar distances in order to find a wheat field in england and draw a picture in it is a task which is many orders of magnitude greater in complexity and scale than the human explanation?

You say it would be almost prohibitively difficult for humans to make complex crop circles, but think of what the ET explanation entails! A story of infinitely more complexity. Even if we agree(which I do) that intelligent life probably lives elsewhere in the universe, you must have a very low opinion of the capacities of humans and a very high opinion of the ETs(who you've never met, only imagined) in order to suggest that it is somehow easier for them to fly from their home planet all the way to earth to draw crop circles than it is for the local humans to do it.

if you are not suggesting that they simply appeared, if you are ignoring the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence, then you are suggesting that some massive world organisation is involved in an intricate, well trained, and costly crop circle making conspiracy.

No. I'm suggesting that you are radically overestimating the actually difficulty of making large, complex crop circles with a few people and a little practice. That's what it comes down to. I don't think it's impossible for humans to make the circles that have been made. You think it is. As far as I can tell, it's just a matter of your intuitive assessment. I've seen people do impressive things and I've been surprised by what people have accomplished, so crop circles are no where near what I would consider impossible.

Even if I were suggesting a massive organization with tremendous resources(which I'm not), for you to tell me that such a senario is unrealistically complex is rediculous. Don't you think that the alien's space program would have to be large and complex, not to mention on another planet? Which senario is more complex? You can't honestly suggest that the human explanation is more convoluted than the ET explanation. . .

For no one would put that amount of resources into it for a simple prank.
Furthermore, what would any such group stand to gain from this?

Indeed, what? And the aliens, I suppose that their motives are self evident? This question remains for any proposed perpetrator, it's not a problem that is solved by the ET explanation.

I, for one, think that outside intelligences are a more plausible explanation.

Really? Why?

reply to post by OnceReturned


Ok, lets look at this in a logical string of thought. First what do we know:

A: Crop Circles exist.
B: Crop Circles display obvious signs of intelligence.
C: Some individuals have come forward claiming to create Crop Circles.
D:So far, human beings have not been able to satisfactorily display their ability to create Crop Circles covertly in the period of time allotted in which such formations appear.
E: So far, no video or picture has been able to satisfactorily prove the involvement of extraterrestrials.
F: Humans coming forward would gain considerable fame (As they have) by claiming to be the creators of Crop Circles.
G: Aliens stand to gain little by claiming Crop Circles. (If they wanted us to know they are here they would have made that fact undeniable.)
H: Aliens have not come forward to claim Crop Circles.
I: The grains of the actual crop flattened show signs of intense but brief periods of heat used to flatten them. (Another poster has provided evidence of this.) This is completely out of line with the methods used by hoaxers.
J: The complexity of crop circles has increased in line with the increase in methods and technological development.
K: Providing that aliens are not somehow stuck in their own development, they have also, likely, improved since the first Crop Circles.

What does any of this mean? There has not been enough evidence gathered for either human involvement or alien. Aliens are included in this as a possibility because of item B: Crop Circles display obvious signs of intelligence. And since Humanity is the only proven intelligent creature we know of (Which cannot be proven as Crop Circle creators). The only other speculated being with the most evidence to support its existence are Extra terrestrials.

Crop Circles are evidence. We need to find a way to link them scientifically to either humans or aliens, and neither has been yet down. So why are we still arguing over this instead of collecting more data? This is akin to Darwin spending a day on the Galapagos and then deciding to write The Origin Of Species.

reply to post by OnceReturned

Hmm. . . I don't think you got the analogy quite right. If a single banana was eaten very quickly, or if a whole bushel of bananas was eaten in a single night, would you conclude that aliens must have eaten them? Because that's what you're doing with the crop circles.

Using analogies is always inherently flawed. One can only get the feel of the argument from and analogy. Arguing an analogy is usually a fruitless task. But I will try to elaborate anyway. If an entire bushel of bananas were eaten in a single night, or a single banana eaten very quickly, I would only conclude that it could be neither roommate if neither roommate were available to eat the bananas or were otherwise incapable. (Here is where the analogy is flawed in that a person is easily capable of eating a banana). So for sake of argument, I will posit that the roommate who has been known to eat bananas has...his jaw swollen shut. Now since I know the other roommate exists, he can hardly represent extraterrestrial intelligence. Lets cut him out entirely and say that I had evidence that someone was coming into my home and eating my food. Evidence such as blurry photographs and shaky film. Also, my friends have witnessed such a banana thief. So far there is not hard evidence of his existence. Now for my roommate with his jaw swollen shut to eat one or two bananas, that is acceptable. But it would be extremely difficult to eat an entire bushel in a short period of time. Furthermore, there would be banana peals left as evidence. hence no anomalous data if banana peals are left behind. Anomalous data would only be found if the banana peals were missing, suggesting that someone had taken them. This can be compared to the data of intense, short periods of heat bending stalks in a crop circle.
With such a scenario before me, it would at least be wise to consider that the banana thief exists and is responsible for my missing produce.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that if you could prove that people didn't do it, you would be left with something unexplained. You propose the ET explanation in this case. I ask you, "why is the ET explanation better than anything else anyone can make up?"

I ascribe to the ET explanation more readily because evidence of dragons, wizards, and other beings is far more lacking than that of ET's and their motives would be just as mysterious and unlikely. In an example you posited that it could just as easily be future wizards. I would imagine that the effort for wizards to time travel for the soul purpose of displaying their artistic side would be as involved as that for aliens to come here and make pretty designs in our wheat. The fallacy is in assuming ET's are here for the soul reason of making crop circles. As previously mentioned, one thing that cannot be argued is that these creations display obvious intelligence behind them.

Wow, 20 people? That is immense. Certainly far beyond the capacity of humans to organize in those kinds of numbers.

Obviously, the time required to create Crop Circles and the number of individuals involved are linked. The more people to share the work, the less time needed.

reply to post by OnceReturned

don't you think that sending a spaceship across interstellar distances in order to find a wheat field in england and draw a picture in it is a task which is many orders of magnitude greater in complexity and scale than the human explanation?

I addressed this before in pointing out that ET's most likely did not travel here for the sole purpose of creating Crop Circles. Imagine if you were a primitive Martian. And while out one day you found all of these skidded tire tracks all over the place. Maybe even saw a probe scraping at the dirt. With your limited observation it would seem unlikely to you that any race would go through the effort to send this probe here just to dig and drive around. You would not realise that it is sending data back to the people that made it and exploring Mars. Likewise we have no way of knowing how important Crop Circle making is to the ET's. We have no way of knowing what they gain from it and since evidence for ET's far outdates Crop Circles, one could assume that Crop Circles are not their original reason for being here. We also do not have any idea how easy such an endeavor as space flight could be for them, or even of the distance they had to travel.

Even if we agree(which I do) that intelligent life probably lives elsewhere in the universe

I am glad we agree on this. If you were incapable of reasoning and believing that there is life out there somewhere, I have no business debating with you.

you must have a very low opinion of the capacities of humans and a very high opinion of the ETs

My low opinion does not rest on the human race, but on the human motivation to keep up such an endeavor for so long without known benefit. One must understand that to the advanced tech of an ET, a crop circle may be as easy as microwaving a burrito.

No. I'm suggesting that you are radically overestimating the actually difficulty of making large, complex crop circles with a few people and a little practice. That's what it comes down to. I don't think it's impossible for humans to make the circles that have been made.

While I do believe that crop circles can be made by human beings, I also understand that complexity and time are intrinsically linked. Many stories report crop circles as having formed in a very short period of time. The bigger the artwork the longer it will take unless you used advanced methods. I can colour a drawing digitally in Photoshop far quicker than I can by hand. I think is can be concluded that very advanced methods are involved in crop Circle formation. (As may be evidenced by the boiled nodes of stalks).

Don't you think that the alien's space program would have to be large and complex, not to mention on another planet? Which senario is more complex?

As mentioned, our space program is large and complex (or at least it was -__-) and it seems to a casual observer that all we do is scoop at the dirt.

Really? Why?

For the reasons I have cited above. I am by no means saying that it is definitely ET's behind it, but that we lack the evidence to support a theory. So far, ET's look like a viable option, but more data needs to be collected.

reply to post by Visual_Death


Well is the cropcircle here complex enough for you, done by humans.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What about this video re orb's

www.youtube.com...

Also when humans are metioned re complex cropcircles as the link shows we are able to do them.

Also never have had a GOOD reason why any Aliens or inter dimensional beings as some claim would communicate in this way WHY

They are that advanced can travel great distances/or dimensions and they think the best way to get a message across is
LETS BEND SOME GRASS

reply to post by wmd_2008

Well is the cropcircle here complex enough for you, done by humans.

No, actually it is not complex enough for me. It is actually a simple design disguised as an intricate one. The easiest way to see this is in the fact that it is not Symmetrical, rather much of the design almost seems random. And any art student knows that an asymmetrical design is far easier then a symmetrical design where elements of the image have to match up, near perfectly.

Its relative simplicity, the unevenness of the actual bent stalks, and the fact that appears to have been done in stages, makes it almost obvious that this is man made. And I will say that to anyone, believer or not.

reply to post by Visual_Death



Funny because iirc the Cropcircle guys claimed this was very complex and couldn't have been done by humans.