Crop Circles, 2010 & Beyond: Ignore Denial?

Originally posted by Sol12

Truth is, that so-called 'non-believers' have no credible facts to offer
to substantiate their belief/theory that all crop circles would be man-made.

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Nope, the truth is that the onus of proof is upon the claimant and not down to the non-believer to prove the claim false, as even yourself pointed out. Also, the fact that you have 'no doubt' in your mind that these crop shapes are alien made shows you to have a closed mind in that you are not even acknowledging the extreme possibility that all of the shapes are man-made. You seem very sceptical that these are man-made, does that make you a sceptic? It would wouldn't it?

Do I believe aliens exist? Yes, how could they not in a whole universe.

Do I believe they have visited Earth? No, although there's at least the possibility, otherwise this topic would not interest me.

Crop shapes have been proven to be made by men whilst aliens have not even been proven to exist. Why choose to believe the incredible when there's a much more likely proven explanation? Most of the time I believe people choose to believe the fantastical just to defer from our sometimes mundane existance.

Even though I love ufology I have to say there is still NOTHING in the way of proof of aliens visiting earth, all we have is dodgy vids/pics and hearsay. Yes, I acknowledge pilot sightings but let's not forget there's is proof of secret government craft which could explain these sightings.

In all honestly it amazes me that people could just look at a nice crop shape and think ''aliens must have done it'', my god (I don't believe in god either b.t.w, before someone pulls me on that one), is there no faith in mankind's abilities? Do people really think that these crop shapes are beyond man's capabilities after all of the extraordinary feats we have accomplished? Why are these shapes always made in nice easliy shapable crops? Why do we never see the shapes on sand on the beach? I'll give you one guess why, yep, we'd see the tracks from the people who made them and as far as I'm concerned that alone debunks claims of alien lawn mowing.

If you're trying to convince people aliens have visited, it's best not to use crop shapes as evidence, the claim only harms the arguement.



[edit on 17-4-2010 by Hawkwind.]

reply to post by Hawkwind.


hi hawkwind, can you please read my last post on the previous page and tell me what you think, btw im new here i dont want to challenge people or force to believe this or that.

I dont have a closed mind at all, and i usually tend to look unbiased through both sides of the story.

Ive looked at a lot of theories about things, science today is pushing out many theories, and tons of scientists believe in different dimentions. What the dimentions contain is still unknown but a lot of science shares similarities with spirituals nature and the esoteric or occult.

But there are a lot of skeptics who think that the unexplained phenomena is all fake. If you all put yourself back a few generations, society will have had tons more unexplainable unbelieveable stuff we consider fact today, all from earth is flat to planet orbiting earth to electricity, phone calls using waves and other frequency based emmisions. So many discoveries happening all the time, it is better to have an open mind about things, rather than seem skeptical about everything.

We are so new to frequency wave technology, compared to the crop circle phenomenon the stuff desribed to explain crop circles and even many many other things rely on high advanced intelligece on wave and frequency tech. Only recently new tech like HAARP, chinas EM drives and all this new fangled almost star wars like tech is being closer and closer to be real and fact. To doubt everything and skeptical about everything you will never learn knowledge and will stay a few steps behind.

All the great inventors and theologians were called madmen and lunatics, im not saying all of them were right and were geniouses, but a few of them paved the way for the whole of mankind to live with the luxuries its got today.

Please read my lastpost, and look through the youtube link, watch the series and then com back and say we are crazy fantastical minded ddes who believe in anything as it comes to them. If you want a debate on it then collect a large body of debunking links theories of your own and present them. Then we can study the differences and gain knowledge from it.

reply to post by Sol12


When someone can give a convincing reason why ANY intelligent race would travel many lights years to visit us and possible think the best way to communicate with us is to BEND SOME GRASS I will also believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, the bogey man and of course god

So NASA should not have put the gold disc on Voyager they should have put this.

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Then any alien would have known we were intelligent

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by Sol12

 

When someone can give a convincing reason why ANY intelligent race would travel many lights years to visit us and possible think the best way to communicate with us is to BEND SOME GRASS

I will also believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, the bogey man and of course god

Then any alien would have known we were intelligent

Well human intelligence is (apprently) inclined to do it. Why wouldn't another intelligent race? There is no crop on Mars, Venus, Saturn... Just our lovely Earth. Wouldn't you want a piece or a part of something so rare?

Originally posted by nastyj

hi hawkwind, can you please read my last post on the previous page and tell me what you think, btw im new here i dont want to challenge people or force to believe this or that.

Hi there, where are my manners? Welcome to A.T.S and don't think just because you're new you don't have the right to challenge people, anyone who gives someone more respect just because they've been here longer is a moron due to discrimination, so don't worry and relax.

I did read that last post and all I can say is that just because we cannot guess at the techniques used to make some of the harder to make shapes it doesn't mean that they are alien made and therefore shouldn't really be used as evidence of alien intervention. Although, I would like to know if that scientific data has been verified/officially confirmed, I'd like to know who gathered the evidence and how they tested it. Then I'd want to know if that magentic radiation can vary from one place to another within the space of those farmer's fields e.c.t.

When someone can give a convincing reason why ANY intelligent race would travel many lights years to visit us and possible think the best way to communicate with us is to BEND SOME GRASS

I will also believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, the bogey man and of course god

What if i told you that the alien race wouldnt need to travel 999 lightyears and that they were already on our doorstep, from a long time ago.

Im sure you must of heard of different dimentions. if these being were to inhabit a dimention other than our own. Yet they have the capablitly and tech to move in between dimentions.

Yes i know to you this wil sound far fetched, and i will seem like a lunatic, but scientist are gtting closer n closer to finding out about the multiverse. There are 9999 theories about multiverse, parralel dimentions etc etc, even CERN LHC are trying to discover the higgs particle in an attempt to prove that matter can disappear in and out of mediums. I really want to stress how many theories are about this, there are really tons of theories, scientists are looking into it, while religion s already told about creatured living aroud us that we cant see in this dimention, such as angels, djinn, ghosts, even god himself. There are also another 999 theories about these things too.

From there ou ca ask, why ahvent these beings revelaed themselves and made themself a fact. Well there are anothr 999 theories and witnesses adn evidence taht talk about ufo abduction, angels being dent down, ghost sigtings, etc etc etc. thousands and thousands of thing relate to the unseen, sucha large body of evidence yet, it is not proven fact yet.

And then we come to the fial conclusion that you will choose not to believe until it bites you in the ass. But for me that is disrespectful to all those who spend their whole life in trying to prove unexplained phenomenon, and it is those ppl that invent new tech, new ideas, new theories that allow mankind to increase in knowledge and technology. Whereas it is the skeptics, and those skeptics simply deny things because it is in their nature to do so. If you are a skeptic, then perhaps you should spend your entire life disproving ppl who are trying to discover new knwoledge, instead of simply saying.. ok that sounds a bit far fetched, so i think ill choose no to believe without looking at all the evidence or theories that person may have to offer.

Only a person searching for knowledge will find it, those who dont actively spend time looking for knowledge wont find it and will stay none the wiser

Hi there, where are my manners? Welcome to A.T.S and don't think just because you're new you don't have the right to challenge people, anyone who gives someone more respect just because they've been here longer is a moron due to discrimination, so don't worry and relax.

You my friend are an exceptional guy here I bet your the type of guy that when yo debate with, you are left feeling a lot more knowledgeable from it, even if we didnt agree or settle on an answer

The point of debating is not to prove at all who is right or wrong, or to win arguments, but only to become more knowledgeable in the matter, and also to learn from eachother how we think and respect eachother for it

Thanks for the welcome mate, really appreciate it.

Well concerning the crop circles, you say that we tend to think aliens did it. I wouldnt hesistate to say humans did the complex shapes if we had any way near the technology of being able to produce these in a few hours, with the examination result of radiation being present. Not jsut a few hours even, but witnesses recall crop circles to appear in a matter of seconds.

The radiation found within these so called genuine CCs are aparent in many many different CCs in different sites. Im not sure whether the team exactly went from country to another country, but i believe they mustve done so. Some would say the radiation can be explained by other means, something about microwaves causing the minerals in the soil to leave deposits. But the thing is that the radiation along with the magnesium deposits are found along a pattern throughout the CC. For example a spiral circle CC there would be more dposits of magnesium on the outer and gradually decrease towards the middle, or vice versa i forget which. Im no scientist myself, and believe me im not one of them guys that just because one joker scientist might give atheory then i would atumatically jump in and say omg omg there is proof it is fact.

SEriously man if you are interested watch that youtube link, but stat from episode one, if your interested in crop circles or alien phenomena, just asan interest or hobby then please look into it. It really is sch an interesting watch 10min clip, shows beautiful crop designs,gives the scientific viewpoint and gives theories regarding waht caused them and how. Shows lotsa awesome video footage adn is expleanined clearly. The group that conduct these experiments. It shows awesome footage in a complete cohesive manner.

Its called first contact watch them from episode 1 please. These guys are not crazy yfo kooks either, they sem professional in what they study.

There is a differences to which ones are man made and which ones are not.

You only need to look a little harder to see that you can tell the difference but How ?

Well all of the man made CCs are all 2 dimensional. What that means is they only appear 2 dimensional when the image is manipulated to 3D

The real CCs will show up in 3D with no manipulation it's just that simple.

There is no way that a person or people can make a CC and understand that every bent stock has a specific place in the CC to make it a 3D image.

That would require a great deal of math and a great understanding of 3D imaging to do.

This a new discovery of how to tell the difference.

reply to post by jsettica


Hi jsettica how you doing mate? Hmm your post sound really interesting, i dont understand how th manipulation process works? Do you mean that some CCs appear 3d due to design? cos there are a lot of 3d design projected onto the 2d crop circle patter.

Or do you mean the bent nodes form some sort of 3d image when manipulated?

Hmm i havent heard this before, can you provide a link, or explain in detail how this manipulation works? ive seen loads of stuff even like spinning the crops to produce another pattern, but that o me seems a bit off and doesnt offer any new light on it, unless ive missed something.

These things are way to complicated and intricate to be man made.. and they really look like alien designs to me. If they were man made there would be more evidence of it.

reply to post by nastyj


When someone can give a convincing reason why ANY intelligent race would travel through DIMENSIONS to visit us and possibley think the best way to communicate with us is to BEND SOME GRASS I will also believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, the bogey man and of course god

So NASA should not have put the gold disc on Voyager they should have put this.

blogs.jsonline.com...

Then any alien would have known we were intelligent

This Documentary Is a Must Watch For Anyone Interested In CropCircles.

Called CropCircles The Hidden Truth.

www.disclose.tv...

Could Someone Embed This For Me Please As I Dont Know How To Embed Videos



[edit on 17-4-2010 by judge360]

[edit on 17-4-2010 by judge360]

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The so-called "missing earth" formation appeared at Longwood Warren, Wiltshire in 1995, showing the asteroid belt, Sun and orbits of Mars and Venus. Earth's orbit is shown but Earth's position is not shown. On 16/1/98 this configuration occurred during an inferior conjunction of Venus, or "Venus loop". This occurs every 584 days and was a cycle closely followed by the Maya (the Dresden Codex contains Venus tables tracking this cycle). It also occurred in June 2004, also during a Venus loop and 4 days before the Venus Transit. There are 65 "asteroids" in the belt and 65 is a Venus number
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[edit on 17-4-2010 by zaiger]

Originally posted by phoenixrising10
These things are way to complicated and intricate to be man made.. and they really look like alien designs to me. If they were man made there would be more evidence of it.

To complicated and intricate to be man made?
So man can come up with quantum mechanics and nuclear fusion but a certain combination of lines and circles is beyond us? That's absurd.

Yes it's a shame there isn't more evidence of them being man made.

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I have yet to see anything but anecdotal evidence in this thread that these are created by E.T., or anything other than humans. There are people that confess to making them, they tell you how it was done, take photos and video of themselves making them, and even gave an open invitation to join them in the field.

Yet all of this is ignored and substituted with nonsense like "exploded nodes" and stories of crops giving off "short, intense heat". There is nothing unexplainable about crop circles. They started off as a prank and evolved into an art form and a business. Just as the stories behind them evolved from an impression left in a field after a saucer landed, to more far out theories such as interdimensional light beings of a higher density and satellites with pulse frequency microwaves. In my opinion the real phenomena is peoples unwillingness to believe they are man made.

"That in a nutshell is the sad state of Ufology today, humans deceiving humans. If there is a real phenomenon, I have yet to see any evidence of it that would stand under scientific scrutiny." -MUFON director James Carrion

reply to post by wmd_2008


Yeah, the tooth fairy and santa claus are well in league with the alien theories.
How very scientific of you

Sorry to not have the links here but a few questions remain about crop circles.

1. There have been electromagnetic anomalies and strange readings inside crop circles.
2. Doug and Dave have been caught in lies about certain crop circles that they have "admitted" to creating. Namely that they couldn't answer simple questions about what it was they were supposed to have created.
3. There have been cellular anomalies in the plant stalks in certain crop circles that haven't been able to be explained.
4. One crop circle contained a mathmatical theory that had been unknown before the crop circle presented itself.

There are other questions as well. What we know is that tons of crop circles have been proven to be man made. we also know that we can't explain some of the anomalies associated with some of the crop circles. Sure you could say that they are all man made but until you can prove how they were made and answer some of these questions the case has to remain open.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by Reign02

 

crop circles are man made people..... Do some research and open your mind to other possiblities.

Haha...good one...

The whole thing started with two dudes in England that used 2x4s and a rope.... It takes up to 3-4 hours to do some of the most elaborate ones......

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here is a wikilink en.wikipedia.org...
look up somemore info....

...AHAHAHAHA...

...oh man...dude...seriously...I almost died laughing then...3-4 hours for some of the most elaborate ones you say? Haha...yeah, ok...dude, if you, or ANYBODY, any skeptic out there in the entire world can replicate any of these, matching quality and precision, in under 5 hours at night, you will have officially proven there's a 99.9999999% chance ALL CC's are man made.

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So go ahead, get out your 2x4's and settle this once and for all my friend.

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Well they could use boards larger than 2x4s and having mulitple people would make it easy. You act like this is some kind of impossible feat.... if your board is long enough you put a marker in the middle of the circle and walk in a circle probably twice..... if you have mutliple people all of these are easily done..... If not then what kind of proof do you have that they are something paranormal???? I have seen these things faked on tv numerous times by farmers.

If you really think these are "alien" or the government is doing them you are (no offense) a retard. This website tells people to deny ignorance, shame that most people don't even know what that means. Don't be stupid basically. I am sure there are PLENTY of videos on youtube or other sites showing people actually creating one. They are all SIMPLE geometry and CAN be accomplished overnight with a couple people. Stop being ignorant and look into them and do research.

I once believed that they were from "aliens" then I did a lot of research and searching the net about these things. If any of you believers out there believe these are parnormal then you have not researched these. This site isn't to just believe what you believe, you state your opinion then others provide alternatives to what you think, and when proven wrong time and time again people still believe what they want. There is no point in bickering because you are probably one of those types who knows it all and is always right....

Yea you laughed at my link.... big deal.... I provided a small portion of all the stuff on the web stating these ARE man made. Do the searching yourself and come to your own conclusion. And I bet no matter what you find you will still believe what you want because you are ignorant.
DENY IGNORANCE

good day

Originally posted by amazing
Sorry to not have the links here but a few questions remain about crop circles.

1. There have been electromagnetic anomalies and strange readings inside crop circles.
2. Doug and Dave have been caught in lies about certain crop circles that they have "admitted" to creating. Namely that they couldn't answer simple questions about what it was they were supposed to have created.
3. There have been cellular anomalies in the plant stalks in certain crop circles that haven't been able to be explained.
4. One crop circle contained a mathmatical theory that had been unknown before the crop circle presented itself.

There are other questions as well. What we know is that tons of crop circles have been proven to be man made. we also know that we can't explain some of the anomalies associated with some of the crop circles. Sure you could say that they are all man made but until you can prove how they were made and answer some of these questions the case has to remain open.

Thoughts?

Not Forgetting Soil Samples Being Different In Structure Inside The Circles Compared To Samples Taken Outside The Circles.

Plant Stalks UNDAMAGED In Genuine Circles Bent @ The Nodes NOT Snapped As In ManMade Circles.

Samples Of Iron Particles Inside The Circles But NOT On The Outside.

High Magnetic Fields Which Play Havok With Electrical Equiptment Taken Into The Circles.

Fully Charged Batterys Suddenly Going Flat When Equipments Taken Into The Circles All Of Which Were Ok Ouside Of Circles.

Compasses Going Haywire Insde Circles Perfectly Ok Outside.

Planes & Helicopters Instrumentation Going Haywire When Flying Over CropCircles.

These Are Present In Almost ALL Genuine CropCircles!!

None Of These Anomallys Are Present In ManMade Circles!!

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Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

Yeah, the tooth fairy and santa claus are well in league with the alien theories.
How very scientific of you

Hit a nerve did I what about the big chap you know the guy up in the clouds god you left him out.
Yes out there somewhere are aliens to but do they come here to BEND GRASS I doubt it, its seems some on here may smoke some

reply to post by judge360


Did you conduct all these test yourself in a crop circle or is it information given on a crop circle site, which would not tell lies to back the cause