Crop Circles, 2010 & Beyond: Ignore Denial?

Heres A Vid Of Orbs Around CropCircles:



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Another debate about crops circles are created by man verses aliens. I'll tell you what. The only people who knows they're man man or alien made are the people who live near those crop circles.

Here's Another Video Of Orb's Around CropCircles:

reply to post by judge360


I wonder what they are.

Originally posted by judge360
Not Forgetting Soil Samples Being Different In Structure Inside The Circles Compared To Samples Taken Outside The Circles.

Plant Stalks UNDAMAGED In Genuine Circles Bent @ The Nodes NOT Snapped As In ManMade Circles.

Samples Of Iron Particles Inside The Circles But NOT On The Outside.

High Magnetic Fields Which Play Havok With Electrical Equiptment Taken Into The Circles.

Fully Charged Batterys Suddenly Going Flat When Equipments Taken Into The Circles All Of Which Were Ok Ouside Of Circles.

Compasses Going Haywire Insde Circles Perfectly Ok Outside.

Planes & Helicopters Instrumentation Going Haywire When Flying Over CropCircles.

These Are Present In Almost ALL Genuine CropCircles!!

None Of These Anomallys Are Present In ManMade Circles!!

It's sad really,

Everything this guy said in his quote above is parroted from "information" that he picked up on the internet. None of those quotes above are his own, nor did he verify them.

It's pretty sad when people believe everything they read on the internet.

reply to post by judge360


Hey Judge360,

Answer this for me if you dare...

Do you see these lines I marked in red?

Original image:
img62.imageshack.us...

These lines are visible in ALL CROP CIRCLES. There is NOT ONE single crop circle that doesn't have lines similar to these.

These lines have been 100% proven to be created by the edges of the tool that was used to bend the crops (usually a wood plank) when studying the creation of KNOWN man-made crop circles.

Why are these man-made lines found on every single crop circle that you think is not man-made?

Why are the lines almost always the same width apart on man-made CCs and CCs you think are not man-made?

Do you understand that every single crop circle ever made has identical features as known man-made crop circles? Do you know why?

I do...


[edit on 18-4-2010 by ALLis0NE]

Originally posted by judge360
Well Lets See Here Scientist's Studied CropCircles For Quite Some Time And Those Were The Conclusions They Came Too.

Can you name the scientists? Can you tell us what school they went to, and what scientific papers they have published?

Originally posted by judge360
Which Has Been Well Documented Over The Years With Countless Books & Documentarys On The Subject.

Yes, countless books... and dvds... and calendars... and conferences... and various merchandise... all wrapped in a nice misleading hoax so they could sell more copies of each.

Originally posted by judge360
I've Actually Been To A CropCircle My Self Years Ago And Witnessed The Nodes Bent And High Static Electricty Type Of Feeling Within The CropCircle.

Wow, bent nodes?!?!? WOW!

Do you even know what nodes are for? Obviously not!

The nodes on the crops are there so the crops can bend towards the light.

The crops are designed to bend at the nodes.... the nodes are like knees and elbows and knuckles. So to say you saw bent nodes is like saying you saw a bent knee on a person..... wow.. just.. wow...

Also, do you realize that static electricity is literally EVERYWHERE? It can be created by so many things that I don't even want to bother listing them. To say you felt static electricity is pretty stupid actually... static electricity is just the build up of electrons. That literally happens everywhere....

It seems as though you have convinced yourself that something is real based off of inconclusive information that you seemed to have picked up like a homeless guy picks up and eats old moldy food from the trash bin.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by ALLis0NE]

CCs are old news. People make them.
Just because the CC is complex does NOT mean it had to be ET.

Have you seen some of the things humans have made?
Look inside the computer you are using to read this, look at the mother board.
Now after that you are really going to say humans can't bend some weeds over in a fancy shape?

If ET is real and visiting us, the best he can do is bend some weeds over to try to communicate? Yea, right.

Originally posted by judge360
Come on then Debunkers

Did Men With Boards Do THIS:

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Dont Think So But You Lot Will Have Some Excuse I'm Sure LOL

Ermhh

thats not man made lol

The 2 most interesting crop circles i seen are the ones that were an "apparent" reply to a message sent from the uk in 1974,i would provide a link but not sure how,if you not heard of these and are interested search "2 most important crop circles" on youtube,is a quite an interesting story that one.nice thread

thankyou for your time

regards

[edit on 18-4-2010 by FeatheredSerpent]

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


Care to elaborate? how man could not do that?

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


So we can make computers, the internet, put robots on mars, do brain surgery,
stealth fighters etc., but we can't bend plants over in a certain pattern?

That is logical thinking right there.

reply to post by OnceReturned

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Originally posted by OnceReturned
"Believers, your case is weak!"

As mentioned earlier,

The interesting fact regarding the crop circle debate is
that neither the 'believers' nor the 'non-believers' find themselves
in a position to make a solid case regarding their convictions.

The fact that I'm willing to admit this in no way means that you,
considering yourself a 'non-believer', have answered any questions.

So, if you consider my case weak, I can point out to you
many hundreds of unexplained crop circles, additionally I can point out
to you facts relating to the wider context of the subject, ETs/UFOs.

But what do you have to offer?

At best you can point out that a small percentage
of CCs are known to be man-made.

For the rest, you are basically saying to ignore the facts,
to ignore the wider context, implicitly making another one of those
appeals to "basic common sense".

Originally posted by OnceReturned
"That's not how proof works!"

Agreed, once again.

I'd say, your case is far more weak than mine.

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reply to post by Hawkwind.

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Originally posted by Hawkwind
"Nope, the truth is that the onus of proof is upon the claimant
and not down to the non-believer to prove the claim false
as even yourself pointed out"

Agreed.

You can't/didn't prove the claim that all CCs are man-made.

I am a 'non-believer' regarding the claim
that all CCs would be man-made.

Originally posted by Hawkwind
"You seem very sceptical that these are man-made,
does that make you a sceptic? It would wouldn't it?"

Yes, I'm highly skeptical
towards the entirely unsubstantiated claim
that all crop circles would be man-made.

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reply to post by Reign02

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A snippet from my opening post:

Originally posted by Sol12

Truth is, that so-called 'non-believers' have no credible facts to offer
to substantiate their belief/theory that all crop circles would be man-made.

A very poor appeal to "basic common sense"
is all that is being offered by the crop circle skeptic?

Reign02, page2:

Originally posted by Reign02

..it is called common sense

seeing how THEY HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED for a long time now....

I rest my case.

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'make-believer'.

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judge360,

It is rather obvious that you were never interested
in discussing the wider subject here.

Most of what you've added to this thread is ridicule.

Your rants have merely served
to call out the typical 'debunker'
and to polarize a discussion
into a face-slapping fest.

Your second post on the first page:

Originally posted by judge360
"Come on then Debunkers"

"Did Men With Boards Do THIS:"

"Dont Think So But You Lot Will Have Some Excuse I'm Sure LOL"

*yawn*

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reply to post by zaiger

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Zaiger,

You were the first to respond,
when I saw 'circlemakers.org' I skipped you.

Yet, I want to offer some answers.

Originally posted by zaiger
"Why is the crop circle phenomenon not as old as UFO reports?"

Good point.

Please, re-read my post.

Originally posted by zaiger
"Why are crop circles ever discovered in remote locations?"

Let's say CCs are made by ETs
to point out that they are here.

Why then, would they create them somewhere
where no one is likely to find them?

Fact is, many crop circles appear in the UK
often in the same fields where they have previously appeared.

Every year there is an increasing interest by people
trying to figure out whats going on, 'skeptics' and 'believers' alike.

Yet, no alleged 'crop circle artists' have been caught in the act?

Orbs have been filmed creating CCs, or hovering around the fields,
but these videos are either being ignored or considered 'debunked'.

Originally posted by zaiger
"Can you pick out man made vs. "real" alien ones?"

It will probably make little sense to you
how I decide whether a CC is genuine or not.

The point is, unless I'd summon you a UFO you may
have very little reasons to believe ETs actually exist.

I have indicated that my point of view is that
extra-terrestrials are disclosing their presence
in a gradual, delicate and non intrusive way.

No doubt they have the capability to land in front
of the White House if they want to, but they don't?

A fact which is interesting and telling all by itself.

If there would be 'official' disclosure in this present time,
with dysfunctional administrations in charge of most countries,
I myself will be highly skeptical and extremely cautious before
excepting any statements brought forward to the public.

If you insist you want to depend on other people's notions
you'll likely believe that ETs do not exist
and that all CCs are man-made because that's
what most folks, including the government, are telling you.

If you are waiting for some 'official' disclosure
how will you verify whether they are telling you the truth?

The 'GOV' really doesn't know much more
than anyone else who knows how to find and connect dots,
just that they have better quality images and footage.

The simple facts are available to anyone,
even if deeply buried in fiction, denial and ridicule.

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Some of you folks don't give humans near enough credit for being artistic or clever. What.. a crosshatch pattern is that impossible to do?

You bend it one way.. you bend stalks across it.. it's not rocket surgery.

Of course they are going to get more elaborate as time goes on. Each of these groups are trying to outdo each other. And they are not "all over the world." They are typically in very centralized locations.. repeated many times, near civilization and roads.

There have been many videos where people show how these are made. There have been exactly 0 videos or proof that UFOs have made these.

reply to post by Sol12

Let's say CCs are made by ETs
to point out that they are here.

Why then, would they create them somewhere
where no one is likely to find them?

Why would they do that at all? It makes no sense. If they were trying to tell us they were here why not just do some blue angle type fly overs on some major cities? Why sneak in durring the night and leave simple geometric shapes in crops?
If you were new to a neighborhood and lets say it was a third world country where the locals had no electricity and did not speak the same language as you, how would you introduce yourself?
a. Go over and say hi
b. wave from a distance
c. sneak over in the middle of the night and make big strange shapes in their front yard having no decipherable meaning.
I could think of a million other ways to do it but "c:" seems the most pointless.

Orbs have been filmed creating CCs, or hovering around the fields,
but these videos are either being ignored or considered 'debunked'.

Please post one example or a link to the thread where it was debunked.

It will probably make little sense to you
how I decide whether a CC is genuine or not.

well i was asking...

The point is, unless I'd summon you a UFO you may
have very little reasons to believe ETs actually exist.

No...the point is i do believe in UFOs the fact that i do not believe in everything said to be ET related does not mean that im a skeptic or a debunker.

Fact is, many crop circles appear in the UK
often in the same fields where they have previously appeared.

Every year there is an increasing interest by people
trying to figure out whats going on, 'skeptics' and 'believers' alike.

Yet, no alleged 'crop circle artists' have been caught in the act?

No crop circle artists have not been "caught in the act" but the have filmed themselves making them and have been paid to make them.
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
www.circlemakers.org...
The fact that you say that no crop circle artists have been caught in the act only prooves your lack of knowledge of the subject you are talking about.
www.nhne.com...
www.rense.com...

If you insist you want to depend on other people's notions
you'll likely believe that ETs do not exist
and that all CCs are man-made because that's
what most folks, including the government, are telling you.

And if i thought that they were ET made because all of my ET believer friends told me so that would be better? I am my own person, i make my own decisions based off of what i think not by what im told.

If you are waiting for some 'official' disclosure
how will you verify whether they are telling you the truth?

The 'GOV' really doesn't know much more
than anyone else who knows how to find and connect dots,
just that they have better quality images and footage.

Im with you on that but i do not think the gov has better footage or vids. So far thanks to the disclosure project we have people in the military sharing their sighting descriptions but a 4 star general's sighting report is no more valuable than a homeless man's. It does not proove, nor share anything new.

judge360,

It is rather obvious that you were never interested
in discussing the wider subject here.

Don't bother with him he got B&

[edit on 20-4-2010 by zaiger]

reply to post by Sol12


iirc The so called ORB creating crop circles video was proved to be a hoax will try to find the link regarding it.


found the link

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 20-4-2010 by wmd_2008]