Now you are FORCED to buy health insurance, what will you eliminate to afford it?

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I'm paying for sex brothels in Kabal -- who would have guessed!

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
You have to pay rent/mortgage and utilities. Can't stop that.
You have to pay for transportation and food. Can't stop that.

Now that you are FORCED to buy health insurance, how will you afford it?

It looks like credit cards won't be paid. Instant default.
It looks like entertainment budget will be cut. Sorry Hollywood.
It looks like eating out will be cut. Sorry local restaurant owners.
It looks like any discretionary spending will be cut. Sorry small stores and giant corporations.
It looks like savings and investment will be cut. Sorry for you if you are trying to build a nest egg.

It looks like B. Hussein O. has really stepped in it now.

So much ignorance. If you can't afford it, the government will make up the difference with subsidies. You're argument effectively proposes we ban medicare in general since recipients must still pay a monthly premium, albeit one that is greatly reduced due to subsidies.

Healthcare is not a luxury - it is a necessity and it's a right. Dying from preventable illnesses or treatable injuries is a tragedy in this country - no matter how much you cold-blooded neocons want to deny this fact, it is still the truth. We're not talking about buying new cars for people - we're talking about saving lives of citizens right here, right next door.

Neocons have no problem blowing $3 trillion in Iraq to fight an unprovoked war and rebuild a war-ravaged infrastructure. God forbid you spend 1/10 of that helping Americans at home - you're a communist!!!!

You neocons disgust me. So much apathy, ignorance, and hatred - and yet if your family was dying, you would sing a different tune. Honestly, what could anyone expect from a group chanting the merits of the constitution and simultaneously asking that we pick and choose who due process and equal protection rights apply to based on citizenship - a distinction that the Constitution does not make. Find the word citizen in the first 10 amendments and I will give you a million dollars.

Neocons are shill opportunists. They will exploit any controversy to make cheap political hits - all that matters is tax cuts for the super rich and undying support for defense contractors.

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ignorance is thinking the other politcal party is better..


not to mention I had nothing to do with anything this so called government for the people has done in the past ten years, yet I guess its ok for them to tell me what I can do and can't do with my health..


insolent... Yet an example of what America has become..

Obama is just another puppet, a face to blame. Long overdue for revolution. When will someone stand up, when???

To everyone who is against this, before you leave the country, riot in the streets or refuse to pay the 'tax' four years from now. Calm down, take a breath and learn FOR YOURSELF what this means to you in relation to income and health care. Regurgitating opinions of Rush and Glenn and the people that you agree with, even though its their idea's that you adopted, not the other way around. Rush and Glenn don't listen to you, you listen to them. In this instance, the haters are the sheep, for God sake, four years from now if you don't have insurance the gov't is gonna tax you fifty dollars a month. Holy S%$#T Ma, get the pitch fork and torches we is going riotin'

Bunch of nose-lead sheep.

I will cut back on Health Care itself! It is the BIGGEST SCAM going!

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If you want to make broad and one-liner statements that are perceived as being sarcastic/non-contributing, then don't get upset when someone responds to you in"angst". You said nothing in your statement, aside from trying to accuse me of ignorance of my relatives predicament, whom you do not even know.

No one knows for sure exactly who can qualify for subsidies, and exactly how much. Welfare recpients are in the clear, obviously, as well as those who are disabled, wards of the state, etc.

In the United States, it's always assumed that if you're "poor", then you get taken care of, i.e. "welfare". This isn't true. Welfare is afforded to those who need it, or now how to exploit it. For those who are single, struggling between life-situations, in debt, and the biggest factor of eligibility, age. Being young affects your chances of welfare heavily, and who wants to go on welfare in the first place, when they are just starting out in life? Who wants to hire someone who was recently on welfare at a young age? It doesn't make sense, there is no reality in this, and this is why there a millions of American's that have literally fallen through the cracks in a nation-wide recession/depression, who have nowhere to go and have few options on how to improve their situation.

The subsidies for the insurance are completely unclear right now. It's not known exactly how much is going to be afforded to those who are worse off. The fact is though, is that it will only make it "less-expensive". The system is already extremely expensive. It will basically be a 10-20% (or more) income tax on something people might never use in their entire lives.

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It's going to be a voluntary "requirement".

Meaning the IRS really has no means to enforce this new legislation if you choose not to buy insurance. And it certainly has no legal jurisdiction to try to collect.

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Originally posted by drew hempel
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I'm paying for sex brothels in Kabal -- who would have guessed!

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Bummer, if the US is gonna subsidize brothels, I wish they would do it in my area, especially now that we have free health care (in five years, if the working girls don't make to much)

Well, the current bill is the Senate Bill. If the reconciliation bill is rejected by the Senate (which I believe that it will be), here is what I will do.

The Cornhusker Kickback, Louisianna Purchase, and Gatoraid are all in the current bill. I will move to one of the states that are exempted, most likely Florida since they have no state income tax and they are closest to where I currently live.

The exemptions for Union insurance plans is in this bill. I will find a union to join (much as I hate unions). Hell, I might even run for a leadership position in the union and get even more cushy treatment.

Religious exemptions were in the bill the last time that I checked and so I will join an exempted religion (I am not kidding).

So, in a couple of years I could be an Amish, union thug, living in Florida.

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YOU choose to translate a question as being ' sarcasm '

In doing so, you simply advertise the chip on your shoulder aligned with your paranoia


ATS is NOT an 'Americans Only' board


And the fact remains that if your cousin's income exceeds the minimum requirement, then she's not doing as badly as you and she claim, therefore she will be required to accept some financial responsibility for her own health care

You appear to be trying to evade the truth by accusing non-Americans of 'sarcasm' when they ask for clarification of your public claims

Moral: don't make public claims if you're unprepared to substantiate them



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I bet they will use the Census info to make sure everyone buys health insurance. They can kiss my you know what before i will be forced to buy something i don't want.

The first place i would advice people to stop wasting money on is donating to churches and the United Way. I know someone that works for united way and most of the money they receive is spent on raises and big offices.

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I never said anything of the sort about an "American Only" board. I never said you know nothing about America or shouldn't butt-in, where are you getting this?

I merely said, "In the United States", followed by the rest of what I said, because the discussion just so happens to be something regarding the United States, get it? Frankly, I had to read my own post a few times to understand just what the hell you are talking about, and there is nothing there that could be remotely considered as some sort of "butt out non-Americans" remark. There isn't any.

When I said, "In the United States" and talked about welfare, I simply said it because welfare in other parts of the world is different. So if I said, "Welfare is always perceived as..", then people could have misinterpreted as their own welfare, or me talking about welfare everywhere.

I never even brought up the fact that you are not American, I didn't even know you weren't, nor did I care. All you're doing is arguing about nothing, accusing me of this and that, etc. So this will be the last post that I respond to you, so don't expect me to reply.

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Forgive the FauxNews link, but it's the first article I cam across that gives and accurate description of the penalty for not buying the "forced" health insurance.

“The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty," according to the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation. "Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner."

That means there’s virtually nothing the IRS can do to enforce the fines in the legislation, forcing the tax man to rely on the consciences of taxpayers or to skim off any federal benefits, tax credits or refunds they have coming to them.

"In other words, if you're due a refund or some other federal benefit, and you didn't obtain qualified insurance, your refund or benefit will be tapped for your fee,” said Bill Ahearn, director of policy and communications for the Tax Foundation.

“People who aren't due any refunds or federal benefits will apparently face no collection action, as the IRS's hands will be effectively tied and it will be a truly voluntary tax."

Supporters of the bill, however, believe that while the IRS needs to be able to enforce the fines, it’s unlikely that the agency's inability to do so will give people a reason not to buy into health care.

“Surveys routinely show that people don't pay for health care because they can't afford it,” said Timothy Jost, a professor at Washington & Lee University Law School. “This bill gives them a way they can afford it.”

I will probably have to illiminate a few employees jobs in order to make my business turn a profit. I will probably have to overwork and underpay the existing employees so that they can keep their jobs. Small businesses are going to get slammed by this.

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Companies with more than 50 workers would be required, by Jan. 1, 2014, to provide health care for their employees or face a penalty of $2,000 per worker (exempting the first 30 workers.) Up to $40 billion in tax credits would be offered to help companies buy insurance for their workers.

For small businesses: Beginning this year, companies would be offered tax credits of up to 35 percent of health premiums to buy insurance for their workers. Tax credits would rise up to 50 percent by 2014. Those businesses with fewer than 10 workers would receive a full credit to cover costs.

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
You have to pay rent/mortgage and utilities. Can't stop that.
You have to pay for transportation and food. Can't stop that.

Now that you are FORCED to buy health insurance, how will you afford it?

It looks like B. Hussein O. has really stepped in it now.

I don't think you fully understand how this works.

Doesn't matter though, just keep dropping stuff like "B. Hussein O." so it really lets me know where you are coming from and how serious I should take you.

Originally posted by andrewh7
So much ignorance. If you can't afford it, the government will make up the difference with subsidies. You're argument effectively proposes we ban medicare in general since recipients must still pay a monthly premium, albeit one that is greatly reduced due to subsidies.

Healthcare is not a luxury - it is a necessity and it's a right. Dying from preventable illnesses or treatable injuries is a tragedy in this country -

Stop trying to make sense and just rant and rave!

It's the end of the world!
Communism!
Death Panels!
Health Insurance or prison time!

- Lee

My two cents. I don't want a health care plan, I don't want health insurance, none of that stuff for me myself. It's a pointless waste of money for me, to pay monthly for something I'm likely not to use. I don't frequent hospitals, and I don't have a doctor. I don't really have major accidents like when I was younger.

The thing is, even if I needed help, the hospital isn't the first place I would look, bar me having a broken bone or some other thing that requires a doctors hands. I would check the net, I would check my health books, something usually other than a doctor. I'm just not that person who worries about "what if." I would like to think I have control over my own health and what will happen to me. And, I can put back money for unforeseen things; I just don't want money forcefully taken from me for something I doubt I will use to any degree. Health insurance is like a credit card bill that never goes away. I mean "what if" I live my life all the way out with little to no visits to a doctor? What was all that money I spent out for then? It goes to the insurance company, and I never see it again. Throwing quarters in a slot machine, more or less, except the health insurance slot machine may never pay me back.

I've seen health care in action. You make a trip to the doc or the hospital, say for the flu. You come home with medication and a hefty doctor bill. Well, dang, I could have killed the flu off with $1 worth of garlic and the price of gas for the trip to Wal-Mart. With the money someone spent for the hospital visit and care, I could have also bought a collection of DVD comedies, to cheer me up, with plenty of money to spare. But that doesn't make enough money for a doctor to prescribe to you. So, your doc probably won't be telling you about it.

The problem with health care is, that I think the health care system is geared to make a profit, and it doesn't matter if there were better and cheaper options available. Your best interests are not being looked after. That's part of the reason it's so expensive. You could get supplementation and diet advice to clear up your circulatory problems, but no, you end up with a multi-thousand dollar triple bypass surgery, and you still have circulatory problems developing.

The answer is not more insurance. The answer is to have a health care system that truly and honestly looks out for you, and does it at a fair and honest price. A health care system that really looks at what your body really needs to solve its problem, not just bombarding it with expensive surgery and drugs, when there is a natural and/or safe alternative available. Drugs and surgery are over-used, they have their uses, but again over-used.

Troy

Guess I'll have to eliminate (by vote) most of the "Government". And we are forming a new one soon in Vermont, and a few other places. But I am not at liberty to name those yet. Have a lovely evening.

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
I read that people making less than $14K a year are actually going to get FREE health insurance. So there you go. Now the morally deviant dimwitted mental midgets can actually have more babies and spread more disease and rob and assault more victims with all that free time they have every week since they don't work worth a damn and just drink and smoke pot all day.

First off I take offense , because I drink all day, and am highly successful :-)

The second thing I take offense at, is this thought that someone who makes less than 14k a year is somehow "morally deviant dimwitted mental midgets". Do you seriously believe that you have to make a certain amount of income each year in order to be moral, non-deviant, and bright?

That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

AND my family and your family is getting larger also. That is correct. We are now supporting millions and millions of extended family members who are all slackers and basically unwanted pests. I wish I could mandate family member killoff as a way to thin the herd and control cost.

Really? How do you feel about Automobile Insurance?

And you somehow believe that a certain type of person who doesn't reach the efficiency standards that you set should be killed.

Ever watch Escape from Sobibor? You'd make a great Guard at Sobibor.