HAARP Is Out Of Control, You be the judge!!!

NO everyone on this earth is a danger to THIS WORLD..............

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

However, this "transmitter," as you call it, sends out 3.6 megawatts of pure amplification of RF, HF, ELF frequencies.

Your ignorance (and redundancy) is showing again.
"Pure amplification" What does that mean?
"RF" is the abbreviation for radio frequency (as in "RF radiation") so you are just saying radio frequency frequencies.
HAARP does not transmit ("send out") ELF radio waves.
HAARP does not transmit microwaves.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Donny, you claimed that "ELF is not a radio wave"

You owe Phage an apology:

Extremely low frequency (ELF) is a term used to describe radiation frequencies from 3 to 30 Hz.[1] ELF should not be confused with other low frequencies, namely low frequency (LF) and very low frequency (VLF).
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Description
The subradio frequency is described in medical peer-reviewed journals with frequencies of 50 Hz and 50–80 Hz. United States Government agencies, such as NASA, describe ELF with ranges between the standard 3 to 30 Hz, >0 to 300 Hz, and even, according to WHO, from >0 to 100 kHz. At frequencies this low (>0 to 300 Hz), "the wavelengths in air are very long (6000 km at 50 Hz and 5000 km at 60 Hz), and, in practical situations, the electric and magnetic fields act independently of one another and are measured separately."

en.wikipedia.org...

ALSO from source:

A common source of ELF fields in the United States is 60 Hz electric and magnetic fields from high-voltage electric power transmission lines and secondary distribution lines, such as those found in residential neighborhoods.

You have more exposure (with the possible, yet unproven consequences) of ELF exposure by living near high-voltage power lines than anything HAARP can do! For the last time, HAARP is aimed upward. Any ELF it transmits will never have enough energy needed to do all these things the OP claims.

I judge this entire thread premise to be bunk, pure and simple. And, it is out of control.

These things are only believed by people with no understanding of science.

Deny ignorance? I think it's a shame that it gets this sort uf unwarranted attention. A tragedy, actually.
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Sorry weedy,
RF refers to Radio Frequency not radiation frequencies, Phage has enough sense not to jump on this one.
ELF is Extra Low Frequency
Why did you?
LoL
Radio Frequency
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Radio frequency (RF) radiation is a subset of electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength of 100km to 1mm, which is a frequency of 3 KHz to 300 GHz,[1] respectively. This range of electromagnetic radiation constitutes the radio spectrum and corresponds to the frequency of alternating current electrical signals used to produce and detect radio waves. RF can refer to electromagnetic oscillations in either electrical circuits or radiation through air and space. Like other subsets of electromagnetic radiation, RF travels at the speed of light,

This is why HAARP can modulate (piggy backs) ELF on HF RADIO transmissions.
Is is really cool. Maybe they will show you if you can ever get in while they are doing it.
Bring your video equipment LOL,

reply to post by Donny 4 million


I was hoping that people would have read the full article linked, but it seems my hopes were not met:

The United States Navy utilized extremely low frequencies (ELFs) as radio band and radio communications.

The USN uses ELF as radio band communications.

IF anyone had bothered to read more, then they would have learned that ELF is involved in submarine communications. Water is quite the barrier to normal RF in higher frequencies.

Oh...and piggy-backing on HF? I don't even know where to begin withthat one!
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Speaking of HF, that is really what HAARP is about. Why won't people read the truth, instead of believing in pseudo-science claptrap?
www.haarp.alaska.edu...

ALSO, from the same source ATS member Donny 4 million provided (Wiki):

Exposure


In electromagnetic therapy and electromagnetic radiation and health research, electromagnetic spectrum frequencies between 0 and 100 hertz are considered extremely-low-frequency fields.

The section from that entire Wiki article is quick-linked here.


Now, I still think you are wrong, and Phage is correct.



[edit on 14 March 2010 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by biochemky


They are spread out fairly randomly until you notice a remarkable increase in frequency and severity after 2009! Incredible.

If you are arguing against this you might want to remove that post!

[edit on 14-3-2010 by rusethorcain]

reply to post by rusethorcain


And, that seems like a good cue to dust this off from page #5...(by ziggystar60):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f13f25fd0746.jpg[/atsimg]
earthquake.usgs.gov...

reply to post by Wolfenz

I have watched the "documentary". It is full of the same speculation, misunderstanding, ignorance and fear, beginning with connecting Tesla to HAARP. Tesla denied the existence of the very thing HAARP was created to study, the ionosphere (which was called the "Heaviside layer" in those days). His thoughts about it also demonstrate his lack of understanding about the nature of electromagnetic radiation and how the ionosphere can reflect and/or transmit it.

Terrestrial phenomena which I have noted conclusively show that there is no Heaviside layer, or if it exists, it is of no effect. It certainly would be unfortunate if the human race were thus imprisoned and forever without power to reach out into the depths of space.

Tesla's theories were based on the use of transmission of electrical energy through the Earth, not the air. Tesla denied that radio waves (discovered by Heinrich Hertz) could be used for anything more than limited communications. Certainly nothing like things HAARP is claimed to be cabable of.

The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognized as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history.

www.tfcbooks.com...
Tesla was wrong.


I don't know if HAARP uses klystron tube transmitters but I very much doubt it. From your source, it is very tricky to tune a kystron. HAARP is much more agile than that.

Some klystrons have cavities that are tunable. Tuning a klystron is delicate work which, if not done properly, can cause damage to equipment or injury to the technician. By adjusting the frequency of individual cavities, the technician can change the operating frequency, gain, output power, or bandwidth of the amplifier. The technician must be careful not to exceed the limits of the graduations, or damage to the klystron can result.

The HAARP heater does not use "dishes", it is an array of stationary antennas which cover an area of over 30 acres. The HAARP heater transmits at 2.8 to 10Mhz, nowhere near microwave frequencies.

HAARP does have a UHF radar (also not a "dish") which does use microwave frequencies of 446MHz. It's power output is 512kW.
www.nict.go.jp...


[edit on 3/14/2010 by Phage]

this is interesting about the klystron that produces microwaves that HAARP may well use in their UHF or VHF and EISCAT defiantly does in the facility locations !


video of a klystron and brief and a cleaning

www.youtube.com...

RFMW Lesson 1B Part 2 - Microwave Vacuum Tubes
www.youtube.com...

microwave plasma lol www.youtube.com...

if only HAARP could do almost the same thing or did EISCAT did it with some help of a projectile ? Spinning aaaaahhh never mind people nothing to see move along

reply to post by rusethorcain


Here is some light reading:

A Bomb That Could Trigger Devastating Tsunami Waves

www.higherpraise.com...

Excerpt:

SECRET WARTIME experiments were conducted off the New Zealand coast to perfect a bomb that could trigger devastating Tsunami waves, according to government files declassified in Auckland.
The idea of a bomb that triggers a tidal wave is not as outlandish as it may first appear. Towards the end of WWII a top-secret project was underway in the waters off the coast of New Zealand to perfect just such a weapon. Project Seal as it was known was a secret weapon developed under the auspices of British and American defence chiefs who considered it as important as the atomic bomb.

Prof Thomas Leech, dean of engineering at Auckland University, conducted the experiments in the sea off Auckland on the so-called Tsunami bomb; in recognition he was awarded the CBE in 1947. The existence of the weapon was only disclosed in 1999 when New Zealand’s Foreign Ministry released declassified documents.
Reporters keep saying it looks like a nuclear bomb was dropped. Was this nuclear weapons above and below the ocean. 3 large Nukes in different areas could do the same damage and cause the same tsunami.

FACTS

Aceh has fought for independence for many years - even befor Indonesia
became a democracy (AKA US protectorate) a few years ago.

There is oil, a lot of it, and liquid gas in Indonesia.

The US is engaged in military "training" in the region. Flight and naval base with weapons to oufit a huge army

80,000 + people in Aceh died in the earthquake.

I'd predict that Aceh will suddenly become peaceful and cooperative with the US appointed Indonesian government.

THEORY

Is it likely that this whole terrible earthquake/tsunami happened because US/Indonesian army folks thought it would be a good idea to use a big bomb to quench the Aceh independence movement?

reply to post by rusethorcain


[Banda Aceh, Indonesia] Tsunami Quake Caused By Atomic Warhead
www.daysaheadnews.com...
May 25, 2005

Excerpt:

Last year's tsunami-quake center was placed a few miles offshore from Banda Aceh, a poor island province of Indonesia which has sought freedom from the US-allied Muslim government. The real effort underway in the devastated areas is a corporate land-grab crusade, against which the native fishing villagers are helpless, having had all their personal documentation swept away that fateful day after X-mas. It has been reported that Western corporations - many of which owned palatial tourism resorts on the tsunami-affected coasts - are striking "reconstruction" deals with the governments, effectively barring the native citizens from large swaths of land in an effort to capitalize on the disaster.

We have arrived at the conclusion that the December 26 'great' Sumatra-Andaman earthquake, which triggered killer tsunamis in the Indian Ocean, was the result of a nuclear explosion in ocean bedrock. We firmly believe that a man-made blast set the Indo-Australian and Eurasian tectonic plates in motion for 10 MINUTES -- THE LONGEST SUCH EARTHQUAKE IN WORLD HISTORY. Historically, earthquakes measuring magnitude-9 or more on the Richter scale last an average of 1 MINUTE. Scientists examining the epicenter site estimate that the sea floor moved up and down as much as 50 feet (15 m), displacing colossal amounts of water.

The massive release of energy - with an estimated equivalence of 100 BILLION TONS of TNT or 5 MILLION HIROSHIMA A-Bombs - involved a series of seabed ruptures travelling at up to 4,500 mph (7200 km/h) and extending as far as 800 miles (1,200 km) north of the quake's epicenter.
Geologists confirmed in May that the December 26 earthquake made the whole earth tremble for weeks after the initial quake, and every point on the planet was moved vertically at least 3 centimeters (1/4 inch), a sign that the event was set in motion by a nuclear weapon, causing the tectonic plates - which theoretically should have experienced small "warning" quakes - to give way in one giant, sudden shake-up.

In 58-year-old documents stamped 'Top Secret', which were declassified by the New Zealand government and publicized in the New Zealand Herald on June 30, 2000, the World War II-era Pentagon is seen enthusiastically pursuing the creation of a 'tsunami-bomb' whose potential use 'could...play a role [in war] as important' as that of the two atomic bombs detonated over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. The tsunami-bomb project was named Project Seal.

FIRST HUGE “COINCIDENCE”

The USS San Francisco nuclear attack submarine collided with a Pacific undersea mountain) while exiting the vicinity of the origination point of the Indonesian tsunami of Dec. 26, 2004 while traveling at MAXIMUM SPEED. The sub sustained $100 MILLION IN DAMAGE. One Navy shipman died in the incident. US Military claims the sub was involved in the collision on Jan. 8, 2005 between Guam (western Pacific Ocean) and Brisbane, Australia on a leisure trip. This seems highly unlikely so soon after the tsunami. Also, the equipment on the nuclear attack sub is highly sophisticated and, thus, the sub should not have missed the topography of the ocean floor (undersea mountain).

A few weeks after the tsunami, Pentagon head Donald Rumsfeld declared surface nuclear warheads "obsolete."

SECOND HUGE “COINCIDENCE”

In another supposedly happenstance coincident, two NASA-coordinated observer satellites, nicknamed Jason and Poseidon (Greek sea-god) happened to be flying directly above Indonesia as the tsunami waves were making their way toward some 300,000 hapless villagers. The data recorded by the two orbitting instruments was the first-ever live satellite surveillance of a tsunami.

reply to post by Wolfenz

EISCAT uses klystron tubes in its UHF radar which does use microwave frequencies (as do many radars).

It uses tetrode tubes for its ionospheric heater transmitters which operate at between 3.85 and 8MHz. Not even close to microwave frequencies.
www.eiscat.uit.no...

reply to post by Phage


When considering HAARP let's consider Project ELF a forerunner, shut down in part due to the documented health risks:

www.serve.com...

Yeah I got arrested protested Project ELF -- no regrets.

[edit on 15-3-2010 by drew hempel]

reply to post by drew hempel

HAARP does not transmit ELF frequencies but it is conducting research into the use of HF ionospheric heaters to produce ELF radiation in the ionosphere itself. One reason for research into this is precisely in order to avoid the use of large, ground based installations such as the one you protested against.

The level of ELF radiation produced by HAARP is extremely low, much lower than that which is produced naturally. It is also produced more than 100 miles above Gakona. Any ELF radiation reaching the surface is of much lower intensity than the ELF radiation produced by household appliances and wiring.

[edit on 3/15/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


Phage I realize you're out to save HAARP against all the meanies on ATS.

Ever heard of the Petkau Effect? Resonance. Kind of why alpha radiation causes depleted uranium to kill.

Phage -- "quantum chaos" -- it's for real!!

So you can argue all you want but it doesn't change the fact that there's $60 billion a year in black budget military research -- top secret.

You'd be arrested even if you did know the truth about HAARP.

Geez whiz science answers don't fool anyone.

reply to post by drew hempel

I'm not really arguing. I'm pointing out the known facts about what HAARP is and what it is capable of doing. Going beyond these facts is nothing but speculation. Most of that speculation is carried to the point of absurdity such as comparing the mechanical effects of sound energy to the effects of electromagnetic radiation. (BTW, electromagnetic radiation is non-ionizing, the Petkau effect deals with ionizing radiation).

"Geez whiz" science isn't meant to fool anyone. It's meant to rationally inform.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

It isn't me who is wrong. You've once again demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of what HAARP and EISCAT are.

Here's some information that you might find interesting. It was a paper written by a team working at HARVARD and was released by NASA while working with the Eiscat heater which acts as a receiver for HAARP.

Yes, EISCAT has UHF and VHF receivers. Since it is a radar facility it wouldn't be much good without them. The heater at EISCAT is a HF transmitter.

And so? How hard is it to convert it to a receiver?
Flip a switch.

i agree Donny

all you need is a klystron to change it back to a transmitter the main ingredient

good watch of the klystron
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

charging up the atmosphere

UHF firing pin/stun gun microwave the ionosphere the 55 gallon/bullet full of fuel er energy or plasma energy and dont forget the timing of a solar flare any ways a artificial aurora borielis does exist with HAARP

Originally posted by Essan
So can HAARP read my mind at the same time as controlling a hurricane, causing an earthquake and make a pot of tea? Or can it only do one at a time?

Yes Essan, you are quite right.

I am sure HAARP can do absolutely anything some of the crazies here believe it can do.

One thing I am sure HAARP cannot do, is cure stupidity or mental illness.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


YOU"VE GOT TO READ THIS!!!

True US History

Military, scientific and legal experts worldwide question whether 200,000 Haitians were sacrificed for gold and oil

abundanthope.net... r-gold-and-oil_printer.shtml

By Mary Ratcliff
Feb 2, 2010 - 11:03:30 PM

Choice Excerpts:

Junious Ricardo Stanton is not alone in questioning the cause the Jan. 12 earthquake in Haiti. Significant voices around the world are joining the speculation.

And whether the quake was triggered, either accidentally or intentionally, by human intervention or is a natural disaster ripe for exploitation, the world’s major powers appear to fear sovereign control by Haiti over its VAST RESERVES OF GOLD, OIL, [NATURAL GAS] [Iridium, of military importance], and OTHER MINERALS that are ONLY NOW BEING WIDELY REVEALED. [A Gold-Silver-Copper Mineralization Belt runs across the Haitian island which is Hispaniola].

“The Russian Navy reports that the U.S. created the earthquake in Haiti,” reports Pravda on Jan. 21, “through one of its earthquake weapons.”

Pravda suggests that the earthquake in Eureka, Calif., on Jan. 9 was caused by a U.S. Navy test in the Pacific. And it reports that the Russian Navy has diagrammed a series of quakes “identical in depth and linearly on the same fault” in Venezuela on Jan. 8, Honduras on Jan. 11 and Haiti on Jan. 12 – all at the same 10 km depth.

A Russian Navy report, according to Pravda, notes that “it is ‘more than likely’ that the U.S. Navy had ‘full knowledge’ of the catastrophic damage that this test earthquake could potentially have on Haiti and had PRE-POSITIONED ITS DEPUTY COMMANDER OF SOUTHERN COMMAND, Gen. P.K. Keen, on the island to oversee aid work if needed.”

“Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez Wednesday accused the United States of causing the destruction in Haiti by testing a ‘tectonic weapon’ to induce the catastrophic earthquake that hit the country last week,” reports Press TV Jan. 21, adding, “President Chavez said the U.S. was ‘playing God’ by testing devices capable of creating eco-type catastrophes.”

“Venezuelan media have reported that the earthquake ‘may be associated with the project called HAARP, a system that can generate violent and unexpected changes in climate,’” according to the Press TV story, which concludes: “Former U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen in 1997 expressed concerns over countries engaging ‘in eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.’”

In a Jan. 28 email to the Bay View, geoscientist Leuren Moret writes: “The Soviet Union and the U.S. co-developed HAARP during the Cold War,” supposedly “to prevent development of weapons to use against the environment or to use the environment as a weapon.”

“On Jan. 12 Haiti was hit with tectonic warfare by the U.S. from our HAARP facility at Arecibo, Puerto Rico,” Moret asserts.

Why? “Canadian mining companies (tied to City of London bankers) (Head Bideberger Rothschild?) have been mining gold, silver, zinc and copper since 1975 in the Dominican Republic. Now that they have mined and know the estimated yields – $54 billion from just ONE old volcano – they are going for the blood of the Haitians who would not allow mining.

“Three years ago, Eurasian Minerals Inc. bought 20-25 % of the mining rights in Haiti,” one of its 5 largest projects. “All of the 5 projects are located near a HAARP facility. Dec. 8, 2009, Eurasian Minerals applied to IFC (World Bank) for funding to mine Haiti in a formal proposal.

a Jan. 26 Bloomberg BusinessWeek story: “Haiti Earthquake May Have Exposed Gas, Aiding Economy”: “The Jan. 12 earthquake was on a fault line that passes near potential gas reserves, said Stephen Pierce, a geologist who worked in the region for 30 years for companies including the former Mobil Corp. The quake may have cracked rock formations along the fault, allowing gas or oil to temporarily seep toward the surface.”

The Bloomberg story cites a 2000 report by the U.S. Geological Survey that estimates “at least 142 million barrels of oil and 159 billion cubic feet of gas” in the Greater Antilles, which include Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and their offshore waters.

“I’ve been writing for years now that the U.S. has been trying to get rid of Haiti’s democratically elected government since 1991 so they could get to ‘their’ strategic reserves without any fear of a populist president nationalizing the oil and gas reserves to benefit the miserably poor majority in Haiti as has been done in Venezuela or elsewhere in Latin America. (See, ‘Haiti is full of oil, say Ginette and Daniel Mathurin,’ where these scientists say there’s more oil in Haiti than in Venezuela.) …

On Jan. 30, in a Global Research story called “The Fateful Geological Prize Called Haiti,” journalist, historian and economic researcher F. William Engdahl describes the behind-the-scenes tug of war between world powers over what oil geologists call a “Super-giant oilfield” in Cuba and reserves in Haiti that may equal or exceed it. “In an interview with a Santo Domingo online paper,” Engdahl writes, “Leopoldo Espaillat Nanita, former head of the Dominican Petroleum Refinery (REFIDOMSA), stated, ‘There is a multinational conspiracy to illegally take the mineral resources of the Haitian people.’ Haiti’s minerals include gold, the valuable strategic metal iridium and oil, apparently lots of it.”

‘There is a multinational conspiracy to illegally take the mineral resources of the Haitian people.’ – Leopoldo Espaillat Nanita, former head of the Dominican Petroleum Refinery (REFIDOMSA)
To conclude his story, Engdahl writes that according to Laurent, “under the guise of emergency relief work, the U.S., France and Canada are engaged in a balkanization of the island for future mineral control. She reports rumors that Canada wants the North of Haiti, where Canadian mining interests are already present. The U.S. wants Port-au-Prince and the island of La Gonaive just offshore – an area identified in Aristide’s development book as having vast oil resources, and which is bitterly contested by France. She further states that China, with U.N. veto power over the de facto U.N.-occupied country, may have something to say against such a U.S.-France-Canada carve-up of the vast wealth of the nation.”

VoltaireNet, the non-aligned press network, reports that the swiftness of the U.S. troop deployment to Haiti “can be easily explained since these troops were already pre-positioned in the context of a military exercise. Under the orders of Gen. P.K. Keen, military deputy commander of U.S. Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM), they took part in an exercise simulating a humanitarian operation in Haiti after a hurricane. Keen and his staff had arrived a few days earlier. At the precise moment that the earth shook, they were already sheltered in the U.S. Embassy, built in compliance with anti-earthquake norms.”

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

EISCAT uses klystron tubes in its UHF radar which does use microwave frequencies (as do many radars).

It uses tetrode tubes for its ionospheric heater transmitters which operate at between 3.85 and 8MHz. Not even close to microwave frequencies.
www.eiscat.uit.no...

that is because it just using using 2 klystrons as it just shows in the fact sheet on the EISCAT site but really it is possible they are using more than just one and yes they are very expensive and delicate but the UHF transmitter in Longyearbyen has 16 klystron's as tromso has only 2 kystron's

here is the fact sheet from EISCAT (specifications )

www.eiscat.com...

the thing what get me if it has 16 kystrons in longyearbven en.wikipedia.org...

why is the peek power less the the one in tromso 1mw ? and the frequency is like half that of tromso my only guess the island can not produce enough power for it ? but 16 klystrons >? put the Klystrons in Tromso and see what happens then were cooking pun intended

i need to do some researching

The microwave energy that any Klystron tube and directional antenna generates, just goes off in a narrow beam in a straight line, off into outer space. It just goes straight through the ionosphere and would be useless for the type of application HAARP was purposely designed for.

Klystrons only have applications for point to point communications on Earth.
Ground to satellite communications, and some frequency hopping radar systems. They have no other useful purpose except amplifying microwave frequencies.

As microwave frequencies only have the capability of penetrating the Earth to more than a very few inches, even at extreme power levels, it is inconceivable that they could cause earthquakes.

Even HAARP frequencies cannot penetrate the Earth to any depth.
It is exactly why it is so technically difficult to communicate with people in submarines or down deep mines.

Even ground penetrating radars which use very special antennas in direct contact with the ground, and megawatt peak pulse powers, only work down to a few yards below the surface.

So how can a radio transmitter located thousands of miles away cause a quake many miles, or tens of miles down below the surface ?

Kind of like saying I will shine this here electric torch through fifty feet of solid concrete and illuminate whatever is on the other side.

It is just impossible to make radio waves penetrate the earth to any depth.
And the depths from which these seismic movements occur, there is no way any radio waves could ever get down that far with enough intensity to even be detected with the most sensitive equipment.
Ten or thirty miles down is a LONG way.



[edit on 15/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]