HAARP Is Out Of Control, You be the judge!!!

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

I have no reason to respond to your attacks against me. My only purpose here is dispel baseless rumors and pseudoscientific theories against HAARP and I have shown that through simple logic it is obvious HAARP does not cause quakes or massive storms.

Because no solid evidence has been presented saying it can cause quakes and storms I have come to the conclusion that it cannot and will hold that belief until evidence is shown to the contrary.

I don't need a doctorate to detect BS when I see it and let's face it, who here on ATS really has a 100% grip on what HAARP actually does? T

Now now now. Aren't we getting a tad bit angry here? If you don't need to respond to what you view as "attacks," then why are you?

Secondly, it would definitely help if you were educated on any issue before trying to tackle it with logic that you have yet been able to explain. You simply proposed..."simple logic," as a means to debunk HAARP, yet, I see no debunking here. Just opinion.

If you choose not to believe this information, that is ultimately your choice. However, I, for the life of me, cannot figure out why you would expend so much energy in fighting against something that doesn't actually exist in your "construct" of reality. If you don't believe that HAARP can do the things that I have listed in the Original Post, then why are you consistently wasting your time in a pissing contest with me? Is it a matter of debate? Is it to convince yourself? Or, do you actually believe that the time you spend doing this will ultimately convince me?

If you need to protect yourself against the idea of this reality that HAARP creates, then fine. If you believe that others need to believe your reality in order for you to maintain solidarity of your belief then great...After all, misery loves company, or United we stand and divided we fall. Either way, those two analogies mean roughly the same thing.

Nonetheless, the same list of fans posing as enemies always come to debunk my threads. And here, you can find commonality and friendship with them while they accept you with open arms in their pursuit to protect their realities while trying to debunk mine... and I can't help but to think that somehow...I brought you all together. This is what online networking is all about.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread!

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

However, this "transmitter," as you call it, sends out 3.6 megawatts of pure amplification of RF, HF, ELF frequencies.

Your ignorance (and redundancy) is showing again.
"Pure amplification" What does that mean?
"RF" is the abbreviation for radio frequency (as in "RF radiation") so you are just saying radio frequency frequencies.
HAARP does not transmit ("send out") ELF radio waves.
HAARP does not transmit microwaves.
The HAARP heater only transmits HF (high frequency) radio waves.

The energy density of HAARP's beam is magnitudes less than a household microwave oven. If you put your Thanksgiving turkey in the center of the beam your family would be waiting until next Christmas to eat it, and it would still be raw.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Surely it's up to you to show how it can be used to such ends, not up to anyone else to disprove your theory

That's how science works, anyway.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

However, this "transmitter," as you call it, sends out 3.6 megawatts of pure amplification of RF, HF, ELF frequencies.

Your ignorance (and redundancy) is showing again.
"Pure amplification" What does that mean?
"RF" is the abbreviation for radio frequency (as in "RF radiation") so you are just saying radio frequency frequencies.
HAARP does not transmit ("send out") ELF radio waves.
HAARP does not transmit microwaves.
The HAARP heater only transmits HF (high frequency) radio waves.

The energy density of HAARP's beam is magnitudes less than a household microwave oven. If you put your Thanksgiving turkey in the center of the beam your family would be waiting until next Christmas to eat it, and it would still be raw.

Oh Phage, this thread wouldn't be what it is without ya.

Just remember, I am the one that knew it was a receiver as well as a transmitter.

This was something you were still coming to terms with a few pages back, if you recall. I called it a "gaff," but, you recovered well enough to earn a few stars from your closest buddies. They're good friends Phage, you should keep them around.

Just do us all a favor, go and read some information that will get you up to speed. Much of it is posted right here on this thread and really isn't that hard to find!!!

Thanks again Phage.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

No.

Another reminder. You said the EISCAT heater is receiver for HAARP. But, of course, you provided no evidence for it being receiver. Instead, you provided links about the EISCAT radar receivers (UHF and VHF) which operate separately and independently of the heater.

Your claims are based on ignorance, misunderstanding, distortions, speculation and fear. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Trevor McNuggets
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Surely it's up to you to show how it can be used to such ends, not up to anyone else to disprove your theory

That's how science works, anyway.

Actually, you need to go back and read the Original Post again. I specifically stated that YOU were the judge, and that YOUR opinion is what matters. I presented the info, and it is up to you to determine whether this info fits in with your current scope of reality, or if you need to do additional research of your own to prove or disprove the theory to yourself.

I cannot change your view on anything nor am I trying. That is a futile effort. And, it doesn't matter what kinds of credible information is presented, if you are not open to receive it, you (or others in general) will shut it down so that it does not affect your predetermined world view. However, I can present information that provokes you to question your current thought processes and hopefully this will challenge you to look deeper and research things on your own accord as opposed to inciting you into becoming defensive thereby creating the same cycle where one shuts the information out because of conflicts of the ego.

Thank you for your post and contribution.

reply to post by Phage

Your claims are based on ignorance, misunderstanding, distortions, speculation and fear. Nothing more.

These are some pretty damning claims from a mere mortal.
Did you ever hear of Tesla?

reply to post by rusethorcain

Since the OP has provided no evidence that "HAARP is Out of Control" (or that the EISCAT heater is a receiver), they are more than claims.

And yes, yes I have heard of Tesla. Interesting man but HAARP has nothing to do with any of his stuff.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 3/14/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


I didn't say a thing about chemtrails. Are you aware that the difference of a weather pattern changes the chemicals in the atmosphere? So therefor if HARRP is controling weather in the air it has to somehow be able to change the chemicals in the air, to say produce rain clouds. But you can run after that chemtrail thing all you want you totally missed my point.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


INMO if H.A.A.R.P. was used to hasten the occurrence of an already highly probable Haiti quake, it would have been done with the purpose of easing entry of US military forces into a politically weak nation that is uniquely attractive from a US military staging/strategy perspective.

Interestingly, Haitian President Rene Preval (due out 2011; term limited) is one of the MANY foreign Heads of State members of the CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE (CGI). Other Heads of State members of CGI include the Heads of State for the U.S., Jordan, Philippines, UK, Mexico, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Iceland, Liberia, Rwanda, Tanzania, Israel, Norway, Iraq, and Columbia.

www.clintonglobalinitiative.org...:%20Heads%20of%20S tate

Watch for the addition of the new Acting president of Niger to be added to this list as soon as he/she is "elected". UN-trained paramilitary commanders toppled the duly elected President of Niger in a coup 3 weeks ago. Niger's premiere export is yellow cake uranium.

Natably, former U.S. President Clinton is the UN Special Envoy to Haiti and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made a special visit to Haiti just days after the earthquake hit. The Clintons honeymooned in Haiti.

The self-described role of the Southern Command Partnership of the Americas that is overseeing the "relief work" in Haiti is to conduct projects that support the development of the CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE necessary for ECONOMIC and SOCIAL REFORMS and improve the living conditions of the impoverished region. This improves the ability of partner nation Haiti to withstand and recover from MAN-MADE and NATURAL disasters while also contributing to the sustainment of regional partnerships. In Fiscal Year 2009, SOUTHCOM carried out 240 projects in TWENTY-SIX countries.

www.southcom.mil...

NOTE: Haitian President (due out of office in 2011; cannot run again) is one of the political Head of State members of the Clinton Global Initiative

NOTE: The power spectral density absorption relating to activity at the HAARP facility in Alaska for the dates feb. 26-28, 2010 did not indicate HAARP's involvement in the precipitation of the earthquake off the coast of Maule, Chile on Feb. 27, 2010. However, it may be more than sheer coincidence that the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution reported that the WHOI Atlantis research vessel operated by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography was located just off the northern coast of Chile at the very moment when the Feb. 27, 2010 Chilean earthquake struck.

www.whoi.edu...

Of what potential use is a US base in Haiti? Such a base could serve the US military well especially when if its use was dove-tailed with the recently established US base in Columbia to provide cover for a US invasion of Venezuela which is likely to be imminent. The guise for the invasion of Venezuela has been pre set-up (since at least 2007) to be ongoing support of the terrorist groups FARC, ETA, and others by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Spanish court says Venezuela helped ETA, FARC
www.reuters.com...

Chávez Dismisses Spanish Claim of Rebel Links
www.nytimes.com...

Venezuela 'helped Eta and Farc plot against Uribe'
news.bbc.co.uk...

U.S. finds possible Venezuela-FARC ties "disturbing"
www.reuters.com...

Surely, completely unrelated is the fact that Venezuela is the third most important oil supplier to the U.S. behind Canada-1st and Mexico-2nd, but ahead of Saudi Arabia-4th, Nigeria-5th, and Iraq-6th.

www.energybulletin.net...

Originally posted by Decoy
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

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There's HAARP then there's the spin doctors trying to suggest anything detrimental to the dangers with it's start-up and real planned reasoning, aka Tesla's real deal theories in sending ULF through ground to sending electrical power visa via no cables where Edison knew free energy produces no money to the US/Russia agreement re weather conditioning, are sublime.

Dunno?, but suppose spin doctors are paid to do what they do. Have reasoning I think? -- but why Alaska initially? Go figure.

Decoy

Kindly tell me what this is all about.
How did my member name get on your post.
Are you trying to say that HAARP is a weapon and that's all there is to it?

[edit on 14-3-2010 by Donny 4 million]

If HAARP or weather modification techs can't do the things that are going on now, then that means all the New Age chit-chat about "earth changes" and Ascension might be right, and I find that WAY less credible.

reply to post by Phage


I respect your opinion and usually go with whatever you say but just because Tesla himself didn't believe in the ionosphere or that radio waves were of any use doesn't mean someone else might not have come along behind him, picked up his work and discovered something like this themselves.

I am not saying anyone is causing weather changes or earthquakes with HAARP, and why would we shake Haiti to the foundations? But maybe it wasn't aimed at Haiti...

And it is shrouded in conspiracy no matter how you make it seem like an ordinary run of the mill weather station.
If it were that I don't see how they could be so against visitors or the occasional field trip from a high school.
It is just suspicious, and an awfully odd coincidence, (leaving it open to speculation among people who are not scientists perhaps -though I cannot speak for the OP) these two facilities HAARP and CERN are up and running and all of a sudden these off the chart storms earthquakes and weather patterns.

Maybe all the earthquakes and hurricanes we have are cyclical weather patterns, and maybe Evolved Ministry is mistaken but he always politely asks people to think for themselves.

Certainly your opinion casts a shadow of doubt on the whole thing but even though Oppenheimer is credited with building the atomic bomb it was the earlier work of Einstein that made this impossible feat possible.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

However, this "transmitter," as you call it, sends out 3.6 megawatts of pure amplification of RF, HF, ELF frequencies.

Your ignorance (and redundancy) is showing again.
"Pure amplification" What does that mean?
"RF" is the abbreviation for radio frequency (as in "RF radiation") so you are just saying radio frequency frequencies.
HAARP does not transmit ("send out") ELF radio waves.
HAARP does not transmit microwaves.
The HAARP heater only transmits HF (high frequency) radio waves.

The energy density of HAARP's beam is magnitudes less than a household microwave oven. If you put your Thanksgiving turkey in the center of the beam your family would be waiting until next Christmas to eat it, and it would still be raw.

Phage


You claim
"HAARP does not transmit (send out) ELF radio waves,"

ELF is not even a radio wave.
Why do you call other members IGNORANT
when you make statements like this in the same post??????
I have noticed most of your other opinions are very similar.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Has H.A.A.R.P. been used against Afghanistan?

4,000 feared dead in Afghan earthquake (6.9) (May 30, 1998)
news.bbc.co.uk...

Quake (7.2) shakes Afghanistan capital (March 3, 2002)
archives.cnn.com...

[Russia charges] Sunday (March 3, 2002) quake (7.2) may have been caused by bombing [by U.S.]
www.cuttingedge.org... (reprinted)

Earthquake in Afghanistan (March 25, 2002)
adsabs.harvard.edu...

6.2-magnitude earthquake hits Afghanistan (Jan. 3, 2009)
www.cnn.com...

Earthquake hits Afghanistan (April 9, 2009)
www.independent.co.uk...

22 dead in earthquakes (5.1, 5.5) in Afghanistan (April 15, 2009)
edition.cnn.com...

Earthquake (6.0) rattles Afghanistan (Oct. 5, 2009)
www.cnn.com...

Strong earthquake (5.6) hits Afghanistan (Oct. 10, 2009)
www.irishtimes.com...

Strong earthquake (6.2) rocks Afghanistan (10-22-09)
cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com...

Earthquake (6.1) Shakes Afghanistan, Pakistan (10-29-09)
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Moderate earthquake (6.2) jolts Pakistan, Afghanistan (Feb. 27, 2010)
www.abc.net.au...

Members of the U.S. House led by Rep. Kucinich are presently working on getting US troops out of Afghanistan.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Why the pullout? Now that transport of oil and natural gas from the region of the Caspian Sea is secure, the need to remain in Afghanistan is fading.

"America's pipe dream: A pro-western regime in Kabul should give the US an Afghan route for Caspian oil"

www.guardian.co.uk...

Excerpt:

Afghanistan has some oil and gas of its own, but not enough to qualify as a major strategic concern. Its northern neighbours, by contrast, contain reserves which could be critical to future global supply.

In 1998, Dick Cheney, now US vice-president but then chief executive of a major oil services company, remarked: "I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian." But the oil and gas there is worthless until it is moved. The only route which makes both political and economic sense is through Afghanistan.

1998 Unocal Statement:
Suspension of activities related to proposed
natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan

As a result of sharply deteriorating political conditions in the region, Unocal, which serves as the development manager for the Central Asia Gas (CentGas) pipeline consortium, has suspended all activities involving the proposed pipeline project in Afghanistan.

***See*** FULL Unocal Statement from the 1998 Congressional Record.
whatreallyhappened.com...

The primary goal for the Afghan invasion of securing Caspian Sea oil and natural gas was planned BEFORE 9-11-2001.

India joined the US-led plan to invade Afghanistan in March 2001 (PRIOR to 9/11)

"India joins anti-Taliban coalition" by Rahul Bedi
(cached)

74.125.47.132...:ZVMhFsglEDkJ:www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jir/jir010315_1_n.shtml+Rahul+Bedi,+%22India+joins +anti-Taliban+coalition%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

India Reacts - American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JUNE 2001.

"India in anti-Taliban military plan"
(article scrubbed)

"Threat of US strikes passed to Taliban weeks before NY attack"
by Jonathan Steele, Ewen MacAskill, Richard Norton-Taylor and Ed Harriman - Saturday September 22, 2001 - The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk...

“India Reacts - American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JUNE 2001.”

Military Escalation: From Afghanistan To the Caspian Sea and Central Asia
Largest ground combat operation since the Vietnam War.
www.globalresearch.ca...

"India in anti-Taliban military plan"
"Threat of US strikes passed to Taliban weeks before NY attack"
(articles scrubbed)

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Well OP you really have stirred the pot.
The denial here on ATS of HAARP's abilities has reached a fevered pitch.
Congratulations and a Flag. Your knowledge and capability is extraordinary.
Compared to the amount of rebuttal information, (information not opinion ) you have supplied is hands down--- totally more extensive. Not just the amount but the quality.
Why are all these members here just doing a regurge of antiquated and un substantiated opinion??
When you search the net there is virtually NO denial by the US government. What's with that??

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Donny, you claimed that "ELF is not a radio wave"



You owe Phage an apology:

Extremely low frequency (ELF) is a term used to describe radiation frequencies from 3 to 30 Hz.[1] ELF should not be confused with other low frequencies, namely low frequency (LF) and very low frequency (VLF).
.........

Description
The subradio frequency is described in medical peer-reviewed journals with frequencies of 50 Hz and 50–80 Hz. United States Government agencies, such as NASA, describe ELF with ranges between the standard 3 to 30 Hz, >0 to 300 Hz, and even, according to WHO, from >0 to 100 kHz. At frequencies this low (>0 to 300 Hz), "the wavelengths in air are very long (6000 km at 50 Hz and 5000 km at 60 Hz), and, in practical situations, the electric and magnetic fields act independently of one another and are measured separately."

en.wikipedia.org...

ALSO from source:

A common source of ELF fields in the United States is 60 Hz electric and magnetic fields from high-voltage electric power transmission lines and secondary distribution lines, such as those found in residential neighborhoods.

You have more exposure (with the possible, yet unproven consequences) of ELF exposure by living near high-voltage power lines than anything HAARP can do! For the last time, HAARP is aimed upward. Any ELF it transmits will never have enough energy needed to do all these things the OP claims.

I judge this entire thread premise to be bunk, pure and simple. And, it is out of control.

These things are only believed by people with no understanding of science.

Deny ignorance? I think it's a shame that it gets this sort uf unwarranted attention. A tragedy, actually.
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