HAARP Is Out Of Control, You be the judge!!!

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
Do I seem like maybe I work at the Gakona HAARP facility?
Is it possible that I helped developed the entire complex?
Do you know where I have been for the last 10 or 11 years?

From what I can discern from your posts the one thing that I am sure about is that you have never been near a university or some other kind of higher educational facility in your entire life.

So from there it is a pretty safe bet that you are not involved with HAARP, as they employ scientists and technicians - a term used for people who have gotten themselves some kind of higher education.

It is not necessary to know what you did the last 11 years to rule out that you have anything to do with the HAARP research program at all.

Allthough, your working at Gakona would explain the curious fact that you are the only one who knows about the supposed shooting and killings there.

Knowing people who took the HAARP tour and were not shot at I tend to believe their story over yours.


BTW - edit: For someone who is so totally sure about his facts it is rather curious to see you constantly invoking the argument from skepiticism. It just doesn't go together very well, as the argument from skepticism always runs in both directions.

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Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin


It's nice of you to finally admit that you just made that up. Of course, making things up is generally frowned upon on an internet board that is trying to deny ignorance.

Of course reading skills and knowing about who Alvin Toffler is would also help to deny ignorance, as you then would understand what Cohen was saying, but I've witnessed too many people trying to get you to understand that and I think it's simply a waste of time.

Since Cohen said no such thing except that the work of Futurologist Alvin Toffler made him uneasy I really don't have to have it both ways. One way is enough for me. It seems you're the one dealing with a heavy cognitive dissonance, as you can't seem to make up your mind if the government is denying or confirming that HAARP is a weapon. Seems your the one who's getting it both ways.

Now that you have proven yourself a liar again I'm really not sure if I'm ever going to take anything that comes from you serious...

You know.. fool me once.. shame on you.. fool me twice..not so much :-)

Just to repeat this:

You claim that people were shot while trying to enter the Gakona facility and you are the only one who has ever heard of it. Strange, hu?

Ah.. lying... So human...

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Nich" Since Cohen said no such thing except that the work of Futurologist Alvin Toffler made him uneasy I really don't have to have it both ways. One way is enough for me. It seems you're the one dealing with a heavy cognitive dissonance, as you can't seem to make up your mind if the government is denying or confirming that HAARP is a weapon. Seems your the one who's getting it both ways. "


Above is a real dumb statement. I am glad you give me the opportunity to set you straight.
Cohen was a person in the government like Donald Rumsfeld was a person in the government.
They both together do not a government make.
Donald (why I call myself Donny) said a missile hit the Pentagon. Is he a liar also?

Well here is what I quote about ole William---


HAARP - Crystalinks
Weapon: The objectives of the HAARP project became the subject of controversy ... In April 1997, the then U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen publicly ...

www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html - Similar

In April 1997, the then U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen publicly discussed the dangers of HAARP-like technology, saying "Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."
And here is a little poem by the same guy

Talk is again of peace,
even as the air rings
with the hammer striking steel.
The cry is for the Jews
to be just, once more,
and shrink back to borders
that invited war.
For what purpose
does the hammer ring?
Is it a time to mourn
or a time to sing?
Can you show me this Toffer crap here? You see, you can spin this one any which way but loose but it is still splattered all over the net in agreement with little ole me.

I like this one better below--


Nich"Now that you have proven yourself a liar again I'm really not sure if I'm ever going to take anything that comes from you serious... "

Please prove you have taken me serious about anything in the past or your nose will be growing.


Nich"You claim that people were shot while trying to enter the Gakona facility and you are the only one who has ever heard of it. Strange, hu? "

Yes this one above is strange. I wouldn't make something like that up. I read it in a reputable

article. Can't find it right now.

Although I have not persisted to jamb it down any ones throat.

And I have explained that it is off topic enough to just drop it for now.

You can continue kicking your heels and fists on the floor about it but I will not address it any further.

If you are not lying --thanks for taking what I say as gospel. Except for the shootings and Mr. Cohen.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
Yes this one above is strange. I wouldn't make something like that up. I read it in a reputable

article. Can't find it right now.

To me, this is simply an admission that you made it up. No other person can find the "reputable article" and no other person has ever heard of it. Sorry, but the case is pretty clear.

About Cohen:

www.defense.gov...

(snip)... Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So Cohen's citing of Alvin Toeffler (as in: the FUTUROLOGIST Alvin Toeffler) is proof enough for you?

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. You bring this up in every HAARP thread and refuse to acknowledge that you are misreading the statement.

Tell me, Donny, what is it:

Is the US government denying that HAARP is a weapon or is it acknowledging it?

you constantly claim that both is the case - that's why I mention cognitive dissonance.

Edit: And please, for the love of god, learn how to use the quote function. It isn't that hard. It's hard enough figuring out the meaning of your posts without having them written in this undecipherable form.


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Originally posted by Aquarius1
Nick Begich is doing an interview on HAARP with Whitley Strieber this weekend, it up for listening now at

www.unknowncountry.com...

click on the "Listen Now" botton at the top of the page, should be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Thank you for providing that information to the thread. Much appreciated!!!

Originally posted by mandob453
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976. The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.

This is in the Geneva convention No UN country may modify the weather for any military purpose so my guess is they probably have been since the late 0's obviously someone knew that it was more than possible..Nice topic..Good information never really thought much about it. But as long as information is suppressed there will never be definitive answers.

Thank you for your input and thoughts. Its nice to see others are looking into stuff like this.

Originally posted by The Drunken Cow
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

i have a little belief in all this. the whole south-eastern central part of pennsylvania where i live has been experiencing earthquakes for about 2 years now. not ones bad enough to cause much damage but you can definately feel and hear them, there only a few miles in diameter and only reach magnitudes of 1.5 at the highest. most of them seem to be in dillsburg which is in between a mountain range and an extinct volcano. seems kinda interesting.

Yep, and where I'm from (Indiana), we have recently been experiencing a few little tremors here and there ourselves. Now, granted, we live under a fault line and a rather large one. It hasn't been active for years. Now, in the last 2-3 years, we've had at least 2-3 tremors, and one of them was pretty nasty. So, I'm starting to get a little suspicious.

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

You might also find it Interesting that when days go over 42c there
is good chance there were solar flares 3 days earlier.

It's the Sun Spots that causes the Temperature extremes, not HARP
or people driving to the shop to pickup some ciggies.

SUN SPOTS......

The sun spots are on a ~11 year Minstrel Cycle, and the next solar max
is due around 2012 Dec 23. Actually I made up the Dec 23 Bit.
So 2012 should see quite a few heat waves.

A very large, sustained sun spot activity has the potential to destroy the planet. Can Harp do that?

Your theory is quite possible as well. However, just remember that sunspots still affect the ionosphere, and HAARP uses its capabilities to heat the ionosphere. Either way, these things still affect the thing that keeps the planet's charge in check...the ionosphere.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Any half wit on ATS can figure out that I was spared the worthless indoctrination of the mushroom factories.
It it quite obvious that you have not been treated well where ever your educa (er) indoctrination was acquired. Other wise you wouldn't have missed this a page or two back.
"Well you see Nich, I am just a lowly Red Neck high school drop out. "
Now if you don't mind-- stop wasting my time further with you superiority drivel.
HAARP is a weapon. Americas enemies had them back in 97.
Why should it have taken the US 11 years to catch up?

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Oh, and yes. I do believe that HAARP, as well as some of the other ionospheric heating facilities could probably destroy the planet if pushed to full power. Keep in mind that HAARP is not nearly as powerful as SURA which boasts about 190 megawatts compared to HAARP's 3.6 megawatts. Coupled together, I'm sure that they could do some serious damage to the earth with their ability to microwave.

All this HAARP talk is rubbish. According to the folks around here, it can cause earthquakes, hurricanes, change the weather, shoot down planes, blow up buildings, and who knows what else.

You really believe we went from mere explosives, to a multi-weapon that can do almost ANYTHING we want, and is undetectable? If such a weapon existed, other countries would find out. While I respect the amount of research some folks put into stuff around here, you are nothing compared to the intelligence groups run by many countries. If they haven't discovered something, you sure as hell haven't. Just saying.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

 

HAARP is a weapon. Americas enemies had them back in 97.
Why should it have taken the US 11 years to catch up?

Please provide sources for these claims or I am inclined to believe that this is just another one of your lies - just like the story you made up about the people being shot at Gakona.

Alvin Toffler's fiction from the mid-1990's does not prove anything. That's why he's called a FUTUROLOGIST and not a HISTORIAN.

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Originally posted by Wolfenz
hello EM nice thread !

with the Disasters Earthquakes , Hurricanes Sever weather in Florida and at the same time nice weather at Northen NY I like to see questions Explained on this thread Animals moving northward to a regions that have not seen these Animals like Mountain lions in increasing number of Coyotes , bigger population a hybrid CoyWolves ,Wolfs, Dolphins in over 100 years + Upper New York or just about the same latitude line across the nation of the USA

There is a change indeed in the climate North Country, New York has seen warmer weather in the last decade weather reaching in the 50s in January ,February, as Florida of this year has seen the opposite in the low 30s of the same months are these Animals migrating because of weather change

i was also told it is also having a effect on crops and plant life the plants are either sprouting to early or to late, in the Upper Northern States a change is effecting every thing
They are Reports that plants and animals can not withstand the harsh weather conditions in Florida in the last 2 months

here the source to that of Animals

www.guardian.co.uk...

here to the source of that in plants

my thread i have posted
www.abovetopsecret.com...

or it could cause this
Climate Change Can Supercharge Plant Growth

Source Discovery Channel Site
dsc.discovery.com...


Is HAARP or HAARP like Eiscat SURA etc.. playing god ?

is there a connection ?

The documentary inconvenient truth say allot but not only this planet is being effected but other planets in our solar system as well





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Thanks Wolfenz, nice to see ya in this thread. Yep, I do believe that these facilities are being run by genocidal politicians who can profit from the destruction that they cause.

As I stated before to others, its actually better than going to war. Instead of pissing off the rest of the world by declaring war against them by killing thousands with bullets and putting our troops at risk, they simply use HAARP, kill the necessary people via population reduction, and then go in and mop up the reconstruction contracts. You kill two birds with one stone and even get one additional perk.

1. population reduction (for all intensive purposes, it can be blamed on mother nature)
2. contracts for rebuilding
3. Makes us look like saviors to the world.

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Originally posted by stitchypoos
If it looks as though I am hijacking this thread, forgive me that is not my intention. Do I believe HAARP is real and in full operation, you better believe it. Has it changed weather patterns and wreaked havoc with the jet streams, you bet! I think this entire earthquake situation goes above any black project or experiment gone awry. I am willing to bet my bottom dollar this is some kind of secondary effect of the weakening of the magnetic poles. I am willing to bet we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg. This is my first post so please take it easy on me!

farshores.org...

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No problem. This thread is free for all to post their thoughts. So, if you have pertinent information, feel free to share.

And I agree with you in your assessments.

To be fair in the scope of disasters. Because I have had a keen interest in them since around 81.
One must take into consideration excessive mining, the drilling for and extracting large quantities of liquid from the crust. Global experiments with nukes, constantly piercing the ionosphere with worthless space junk. Re-entry heat ect.
Massive exhaust fumes from all types of engines gas or oil (bigger trucks, excavating and lumber equipment (deforestation) , colossal ships (aircraft carriers) building huge cities (localized weight).
Forget about HAARP for a second.
OK now bring HAARP back into your thinking. YIKES!!!

Originally posted by Ha`la`tha

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
That's why I love this site. No matter how crazy your theory is chances are somebody on here believes it. Harrp has been acting up lately... Time to shut it down?

Yep. The sooner we shut it down, the sooner we can live in paradise. Where it only rains rose petals, snow is like warm sunshine, wind is fragrant and the only time the earth moves is when you and your loved one make whoopee under the starlight- which of course are angels peeking, those dirty little souls..

That's how it goes, I think... Because it's only us nasty humans that cause every single disaster under the sun... or so we keep hearing...

"A bridge fell !! HAAARRPPP!!!"
"A HURRICANE !! HAAARRPPP!!!"
"An Earthquake !! HAARRRPPP!!!"
"A Tsunami !! HAARRPPP!!!"

ad nauseum...

Ha La Tha is on a rant...HAARP
He hates anything that is opposite to his view...HAARP
If it contradicts his theories he throws a tantrum...HAARP!!!

Sorry, just messing with you. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's here. However, lets see if you can positively contribute to this thread as opposed to hiding insults in Ad Hom form. Okay??? If you don't think HAARP has anything to do with these new weather patterns, show us why.

Originally posted by fleabit
All this HAARP talk is rubbish. According to the folks around here, it can cause earthquakes, hurricanes, change the weather, shoot down planes, blow up buildings, and who knows what else.

You really believe we went from mere explosives, to a multi-weapon that can do almost ANYTHING we want, and is undetectable? If such a weapon existed, other countries would find out. While I respect the amount of research some folks put into stuff around here, you are nothing compared to the intelligence groups run by many countries. If they haven't discovered something, you sure as hell haven't. Just saying.

Ever hear of nuclear power?
check it out. Another government disaster.

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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Simple logic proves that Cohen was wrong because HAARP has been used a great many times without massive Earthquakes or catastrophic storms. If HAARP was capable of or causing any of the things the conspiracy theory community blames it on the scientists who work there and have worked there (likely hundreds if not thousands of individuals) would know by now... unless you believe government scientists, University scientists and their students are all in on the conspiracy and are okay with slaughtering people.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution, those falsely accusing HAARP of being a weather generator, quake inducer, anti-alien plasma beam or whatever other nonsense is conjured up.

Its all dependent on how much power is used. Secondly, have you been there everytime HAARP has been turned on to view the results??? If so, I'd love to see a full report on that.

And again...I hate to keep bringing this up, but, HAARP's DESIGNER even said what the capabilities were. Are you going to tell me that you know more than the designing engineer of HAARP? Are you going to tell me that you have better information than the former secretary of Defense??? You actually believe that William Cohen was MISTAKEN??? I guess the CIA was giving out faulty intelligence yet again. Well, show me your security clearance in the U.S. military, and maybe I will consider your statement to be valid.

If you want to argue conjecture, you should probably leave out names, dates and times because someone like me will call you on it every time. Blanket statements like..."Simple logic proves..." is absolutely ridiculous. You need to provide the reasons why, and do it with some conviction. Because if you were to read the patents, look at the amount of power that is harnessed and used, studied electromagnetic radiation...simple logic would dictate that you are speaking from opinion and not fact.

Now, your opinion is more than valued here, but, don't throw around words as if they have meaning unless you're ready to prove the statement that you are attempting to make.

And by the way...there ARE hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions who have studied about HAARP and know its capabilities. Many are right here on ATS, and ATS has thousands within its community. Entire books have been written about this, and online there are multiple sites catered to HAARP alone. Angels Don't Play This HAARP has sold tens of thousands of copies and was written by a PHD named Nick Begich. You might want to entertain the idea that a professor may know a little more than conjecture about this facility, especially since he's written a book and provides scholarly sources for his findings. Can you say the same, especially by using simple logic?

Thanks for your post.

Here's some info about Begich. By the way, he grew up in Alaska. One of the reasons why he's so concerned about HAARP is because of the potential ecological damage is presents to his homeland. So, when your "simple logic" can somehow counteract hardcore research...let me know.
www.earthpulse.com...


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Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

 

HAARP is a weapon. Americas enemies had them back in 97.
Why should it have taken the US 11 years to catch up?

Please provide sources for these claims or I am inclined to believe that this is just another one of your lies - just like the story you made up about the people being shot at Gakona.

Alvin Toffler's fiction from the mid-1990's does not prove anything. That's why he's called a FUTUROLOGIST and not a HISTORIAN.

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Who cares. You brought him up and he has nothing to do with my posting or the topic.
Donny's a liar,Donny's a liar pants on fire.
Hey Nich use some of that hot air and blow them out old buddie.
Yeah and HAARP is a weapon. It is plastered all over the web can I find you some sites?
I am here solely for your abuse.
Oh blimy EM beat me to it.

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Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

 

HAARP is a weapon. Americas enemies had them back in 97.
Why should it have taken the US 11 years to catch up?

Please provide sources for these claims or I am inclined to believe that this is just another one of your lies - just like the story you made up about the people being shot at Gakona.

Alvin Toffler's fiction from the mid-1990's does not prove anything. That's why he's called a FUTUROLOGIST and not a HISTORIAN.

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So what---- I quoted the part that starts with "Others." I lernt dat in gamma school.
Others as in separate and apart from your historian. WTF has he got to do with HAARP.
Get off it already.
If you really think you are protecting or helping anybody or anything with this behavior your wrong.
errrr unless you are made to do it by some great big threatening force that you fear. humm

reply to post by Silver Shadow

RF waves still translate to electromagnetism, which still translates into microwaving, which still translates into...things being cooked. Don't underestimate RF, HF, or ELF frequencies. There have been all sorts of studies that show how dangerous these things are.