Whoopi Goldberg:So what if the government was responsible ? 9/11 dead can't be brought back

I feel I need to add to my previous post regarding Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi comes from a multi ethnic family (Jewish, Buddhist, Baptist, and Catholic)
and she is an African American. Perhaps it would be fine with her if America and other countries simply stop recognizing black slavery in this country and victims of the Holocaust and stop the idea of any reparation payments to the victims or surviving families. It is very difficult to comprehend the idea that she could feel this way about 911.
Is it just to protect her career? Is it all about money?

reply to post by impressme


Oh yeah let's just go ahead and bring race into a discussion of already one of the most politically charged topics of a century.

Why? WHY?

For future reference: 9/11 Commission Report = investigating intel failures; NIST & FEMA = investigating the actual fires and collapses of the WTCs.

Preface to 9/11 commision - page XVI -

'Our aim hasnt been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned.'.

So...the 9/11 commison, unlike the warren commision wasnt bothered with finding out who was to blame, it was just used to give 'the fullest account possible'...

The fullest account according to who...????

And as for Goldbergs comment...You cant bring back the dead of that day, but you can make their deaths count for something if it brings their murderer to justice.


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WELL, why then just blame the govenment,
why not the firefighters who coudn't put out the fires, why not the rescue people who couldn't evacuate the buildings, why not the ambulance and doctors for not being able to save as many lives, why not the builders who couldn't make buildings undestructable, why not the police for not doing proper searches and the list goes on and on.

what if the planes didn't hit, All the bombs still would of gone off would they. why not blame the bomb makers or the one's who planted them.

why not blame the airports, the plane makers, the airforce, the army, blame all the people who weren't there to help, blame god or the devil.

yeah there is plenty of blame but none of it is going to bring anyone back from the dead.

sure it's great to find out what all the causes were or why these buildings all fell down and then to blame all who were involved in some way.

learning and applying all that is known, from the mistakes that were made on that day to what can or cannot be done, is something that should be the real focus for the here and now.

something that hopefully can prevent another 9/11, not just the blame game over again.

reply to post by redgy


Who said blame the government?
But if the cap fits......

If an arsonist burns down a football stadium and kills 3000 people, you catch and put to justice the arsonist, or you forget about him and simply look for a better way to make "fireproof" stadiums...

Maybe next time the arsonist will kill more people, maybe even your family..but that dont matter, dont look for him, it wont bring your family back.
Just look for better a fireproof structural design and blame the architect

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We havent discounted the possibility of nano thermite or nano bots have we? anyway this reminds me of another thread i posted on when i hypothetically said "what if the gov planned 911, a revolution would start a civil war and there are too many countries that would love to feast on our writhing corpse while we cannibalize ourselves. if there is to be a revolution it must be by peaceful means and if possible by democratic means. you have to fight the same battle their fighting, the fight for the hearts, minds, and souls of the people. they have the media. you have th e internet and the ability to hand out info in the form of pamphlets. it doesnt work the way alot of truthers go about it, screaming on the streetcporners that 911 is a lie. you have to be more subtle as the ptb have learned to. maybe have a pamphlet saying, "I personally believe our government wouldnt do anything to endanger it`s citizens. However there are a few SIMPLE questions I would like answered. And I don`t see why there`s any reason these questions shouldn`t be answered. What do YOU think?" would that be tricky or sneaky? are the enemy being sneaky? maybe thats why they are winning. its not decieving when you are trying to do what it takes to lead someone to the truth. and they will morethan mlikely6 thank you after they have awoken.


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Originally posted by unityemissions
Ya know, Noam Chomsky basically says the same thing. It's irrelevant at this point, just like JFK. The reason is simple. It's in the past, had too many possibilities and conflicting information sets, and most importantly: we've got too many damned problems going on right now.

It truly doesn't matter at this point. Sad, but true.


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I was surprised Noam Chomsky made his "who cares " comment but , to be fair , he made it clear before that that he does not believe 9/11 was an " inside job ."

Originally posted by SPreston

Originally posted by Whyhi
reply to post by SPreston

 

rapidly shrinking numbers of 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY defenders here on ATS

You're on ATS and you're surprised that conspiracy theorists outnumber anyone else...? I could say the same thing about truthers on JREF (obvious illuminati front) forums...

ATS 911 Poll

Actually I was referring to the ATS 911 POLL.

At last count, there were 411 nays and 20 ayes, or 95.36% do not believe the Official Fantasy Tale and 4.64% are faithful believers and willing to defend the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY even with their lives if necessary.

It seems many of the once faithful have been abandoning ship, and saving themselves before it is too late.

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The "911 Poll" thread didn't actually ask posters to say whether or not they believed in the " official story ", it asked whether they thought " the Government has not told the whole truth ", a very different proposition as I doubt many people think any government tells the whole truth about anything.

Anyway, on a site like this it was hardly surprising to get a majority of truthers. That has no relevance to the wider world though. You only have to look at the "Twelve New England towns demand 9/11 reinvestigation " to get a taste of that. That thread, opened by a truther, has blown up in his face and truthers have dropped it like a hot potatoe. It was quite clear from the result that an overwhelming majority are just not interested in a reinvestigation let alone believing 9/11 was an inside job.

reply to post by Alfie1

The "911 Poll" thread didn't actually ask posters to say whether or not they believed in the " official story ", it asked whether they thought " the Government has not told the whole truth ", a very different proposition as I doubt many people think any government tells the whole truth about anything.

Yes, only 20 people said the government told the truth out of over 400 responsive in that 911 poll, looks to me it is the OS believers that are dwindling away.

Anyway, on a site like this it was hardly surprising to get a majority of truthers. That has no relevance to the wider world though.

Yet, you are in here everyday doing your thing, in this “no relevance to the wider world.”

You only have to look at the "Twelve New England towns demand 9/11 reinvestigation " to get a taste of that. That thread, opened by a truther, has blown up in his face and truthers have dropped it like a hot potatoe.

We can tell, that you were delighted.

It was quite clear from the result that an overwhelming majority are just not interested in a reinvestigation let alone believing 9/11 was an inside job.

That is untrue, where is your proof to support this nonsense?

Now back on Topic:

I suppose you support Whoopi statement.

Do you think the government did a wonderful job investigating 911?

Do you believe as Whoopi believes, that because everyone is dead from the 911 attacks and we really do not have any truthful answers, that we should close the door in the surviving victim’s family’s faces?
Do you think the victim’s families deserve no closer?





[edit on 12-3-2010 by impressme]

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by GenRadek

 

The 9/11 Commission was about piecing together the intelligence failures leading up to 9/11.

Wong,
The 911-commission job was to investigate “EVERYTHING” to what really happened on 911.
The 911 Commission was not set up to tell the American people one little part of the 911 event or just the “intelligence failures.”

Where did you read that the 911 Commissars where set up to only to investigated the “intelligence failures?”
The 911 commissioners did a lousy job of explaining the “intelligence failures.” In fact, they really told us nothing.

The 9/11 Commission Report as it is direct from the source:

govinfo.library.unt.edu...


Let us take a good look at the 9/11 Commission shall we?

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission), an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks.

The Commission has released its final report, available below in PDF format. The report is also available in bookstores nationwide and from the Government Printing Office.

Frequently Asked Questions about the report are answered on this site.

(bolding my own)

Here we have the hearings from the Commission:

Public hearings of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
The Commission held periodic public hearings to offer a public dialogue about the Commission's goals and priorities. The Commission also sought to learn about work already completed and the state of current knowledge, in order to identify the most important issues and questions requiring further investigation.


Past Hearings
The Commission held its first public hearing March 31 - April 1, 2003 at the Alexander Hamilton U.S. Custom House in New York City.

The Commission's second public hearing was held on May 22 - 23, 2003 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its third public hearing on "Terrorism, Al Qaeda, and the Muslim World" July 9, 2003 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its fourth public hearing on "Intelligence and the War on Terrorism" October 14, 2003 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its fifth public hearing on "Emergency Preparedness" November 19, 2003 at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey.

The Commission's sixth public hearing on "Security and Liberty" was held on December 8, 2003 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its seventh public hearing on "Borders, Transportation, and Managing Risk" January 26-27, 2004 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its eighth public hearing on "Counterterrorism Policy" March 23-24, 2004 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its ninth public hearing, with testimony from Dr. Condoleezza Rice, April 8, 2004 in Washington, DC.

The Commission's tenth public hearing on "Law Enforcement and the Intelligence Community" was held April 13-14, 2004 in Washington, DC.

The Commission held its eleventh public hearing on "Emergency Response" May 18-19, 2004 at New School University in New York City.

The Commission's twelfth public hearing on "The 9/11 Plot" and "National Crisis Management" was held June 16-17, 2004, in Washington, DC.

Now to the meat of the Commission's investigation:

Report by Section
Contents, List of Illustrations and Tables, Members, and Staff

Preface PDF, 67 KB HTML, 14 KB
1. "We Have Some Planes"
1.1 Inside the Four Flights
1.2 Improvising a Homeland Defense
1.3 National Crisis Management
PDF, 952 KB HTML, 133 KB

2. The Foundation of the New Terrorism
2.1 A Declaration of War
2.2 Bin Ladin's Appeal in the Islamic World
2.3 The Rise of Bin Ladin and al Qaeda (1988-1992)
2.4 Building an Organization, Declaring War on the United States (1992-1996)
2.5 Al Qaeda's Renewal in Afghanistan (1996-1998)
PDF, 1.4 MB HTML, 72 KB

3. Counterterrorism Evolves
3.1 From the Old Terrorism to the New: The First World Trade Center Bombing
3.2 Adaptation--and Nonadaptation--in the Law Enforcement Community
3.3 ... and in the Federal Aviation Administration
3.4 ... and in the Intelligence Community
3.5 ... and in the State Department and the Defense Department
3.6 ... and in the White House
3.7 ... and in the Congress
PDF, 188 KB HTML, 116 KB

4. Responses to Al Qaeda's Initial Assaults
4.1 Before the Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania
4.2 Crisis: August 1998
4.3 Diplomacy
4.4 Covert Action
4.5 Searching for Fresh Options
PDF, 185 KB HTML, 113 KB

5. Al Qaeda Aims at the American Homeland
5.1 Terrorist Entrepreneurs
5.2 The "Planes Operation"
5.3 The Hamburg Contingent
5.4 A Money Trail?
PDF, 312 KB HTML, 89 KB

6. From Threat To Threat
6.1 The Millennium Crisis
6.2 Post-Crisis Reflection: Agenda for 2000
6.3 The Attack on the USS Cole
6.4 Change and Continuity
6.5 The New Administration's Approach
PDF, 209 KB HTML, 129 KB

7. The Attack Looms
7.1 First Arrivals in California
7.2 The 9/11 Pilots in the United States
7.3 Assembling the Teams
7.4 Final Strategies and Tactics
PDF, 949 KB HTML, 119 KB

8. "The System Was Blinking Red"
8.1 The Summer of Threat
8.2 Late Leads--Mihdhar, Moussaoui, and KSM
PDF, 146 KB HTML, 76 KB

9. Heroism and Horror
9.1 Preparedness as of September 11
9.2 September 11, 2001
9.3 Emergency Response at the Pentagon
9.4 Analysis
PDF, 2.3 MB HTML, 130 KB

10. Wartime
10.1 Immediate Responses at Home
10.2 Planning for War
10.3 "Phase Two" and the Question of Iraq
PDF, 109 KB HTML, 45 KB

11. Foresight--and Hindsight
11.1 Imagination
11.2 Policy
11.3 Capabilities
11.4 Management
PDF, 133 KB HTML, 67 KB

12. What To Do? A Global Strategy
12.1 Reflecting on a Generational Challenge
12.2 Attack Terrorists and Their Organizations
12.3 Prevent the Continued Growth of Islamist Terrorism
12.4 Protect against and Prepare for Terrorist Attacks
PDF, 184 KB HTML, 110 KB

13. How To Do It? A Different Way of Organizing the Government
13.1 Unity of Effort across the Foreign-Domestic Divide
13.2 Unity of Effort in the Intelligence Community
13.3 Unity of Effort in Sharing Information
13.4 Unity of Effort in the Congress
13.5 Organizing America's Defenses in the United States
Appendices
Notes

I could have been a little more specific and also mentioned the earlier AQ attacks on the US, the immediate response to 9/11 and who AQ was, and how to better prepare and counter-terrorism stuff, but then again, that wold have been getting into a little more detail than necessary for the main point.

Now then, I gave you link, I gave you the hearings, I even gave you the table of contents, now I want you to show me exactly where in the 9/11 Commission they were to cover the collapses of the WTCs and how they happened? You said EVERYTHING involved with 9/11, so please direct me to the part about the collapses of the WTCs, the impact/fire/collapse of the Pentagon wing and how that happened. Please do, I await your answer.

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reply to post by GenRadek

The 911-commission report has already been proven a farce.
Several members of the 911 commissioners came out publically and said they lied in their 911 report.

Most of us have moved on from the 911-commission report, and most people do not support it now.

Perhaps, you should take your head out of the sandbox.

IS the Holocaust irrelevant?

Are The assignations of JFK, Martin Luther King and Archduke Franz Ferdinand irrelevant?

IS the life and death of the young man standing in front of the Tank in tiananmen square unimportant?

These are things that the world and eventually history pivot on.


Nixon caused us all to distrust our government like never before. And the government has not disappointed. Another sex scandal in Utah today over shadowed any laws passed or issues that needed addressing.

If it is proven the government knew or orchestrated the attacks then thousands of deaths on 9/11 it will be a turning point of it's own. We are on the verge of revolution as it is. that would definitively tip the scales.

Whoopee would have fit well in Queen Marie's court, she would probably hog the cake, too.

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by GenRadek

 

The 911-commission report has already been proven a farce.
Several members of the 911 commissioners came out publically and said they lied in their 911 report.

Most of us have moved on from the 911-commission report, and most people do not support it now.

Perhaps, you should take your head out of the sandbox.

Ok so what? What exactly do you believe then when it comes down the events of 9/11?
Do you believe that:

A) 9/11 was the result of gross negligence and/or incompetance by our intelligence agencies and security agencies who dropped the ball due to red tape, beurocratic incompetance and agency infighting that hampered the flow of critical information of an impending attack about to be committed by known terror cells with vast connections to a globally known terrorist organization known as Al Qaeda which is directly responsible for numerous terrorist attacks throughout the world including the 1993 WTC bombing,

or

B) 9/11 was a total and complete set up created by the US govt/Mossad/NWO/Mickey Mouse Club years before to (insert favorite reason for "faking a terrorist attack" here), which required: hundreds, if not, thousands of people and millions of manhours to secretly rig up four of the most populated buildings in NYC and DC with some sort of super-futuristic special demolition explosives/super-nano-thermate whatever that no one ever noticed; secretly rig up three/four airliners and fake FDRs, and data recievers, radar tracks, passenger lists, passenger remains; orchestrate faked news coverage and "scripts" for newscasters to read from; get hundreds of firefighters and police in on it and to be ready to sacrifice many of their fellow bretherin and comrads in arms who already known that they must die in order to make it as tragic as possible; have thousands of "planted" eyewitnesses that are going to say everything the govt wants them to say to keep up the pre-planned charade; fake the hijackers and their connections and everything presented forward in the 9/11 Commission; get thousands of engineers, architects, chemists, metallurgists, fire investigators, to lie and fake an entire engineering investigation into the cause of collapse of all three WTCs (but somehow they manage to screw that up)?

I really want to know where you are going with these calls for a "new investigation" because you appear to be all over the place. And what exactly do you want to be found out if there ever is a "new investigation"? What will satisfy your needs? A complete admission to gross negligence on behalf of quite a few people that were in charge of our security and safety, or an admission of being completely complicit in the attack, right down to rigging the Towers, faking crashes, etc etc etc?



[edit on 3/12/2010 by GenRadek]

reply to post by GenRadek

Ok so what?

Why do you still used the 911- commission report for credible sources, when you know it is a proven farce?

What exactly do you believe then when it comes down the events of 9/11?
Do you believe that:

Everyone knows what I believe, including you.

The question you should be asking is who blew up the WTC?

reply to post by impressme


Oh you mean, who crashed two loaded 767 hijacked aircraft into the WTCs?

Thats easy, hijacker terrorists with known connections to AQ.

reply to post by GenRadek

Oh you mean, who crashed two loaded 767 hijacked aircraft into the WTCs?

Thats easy, hijacker terrorists with known connections to AQ.

There is no point having this conversation with someone who chooses to remain ignorant.
All you are doing is parroting the same old worn out OS fairytales.

Science has disproved your OS as a lie, why continue to support it.

It's been proven with sciences, that the airplanes did not bring down the WTC, and again no airplane hit WTC 7.




[edit on 12-3-2010 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme


It's sad that we have to share the same country with people who just don't get it. So I guess at this point we should all just give up and let the government do whatever it wants. As long as they promote some artificial story to justify whatever they do it is all ok as long as we don't have to think for ourselves.

reply to post by impressme


It's sad that we have to share the same country with people who just don't get it. So I guess at this point we should all just give up and let the government do whatever it wants. As long as they promote some artificial story to justify whatever they do it is all ok as long as we don't have to think for ourselves.

As long as they promote some artificial story to justify whatever they do it is all ok as long as we don't have to think for ourselves.

And that, my friend is EXACTLY what they want. The government relies on the fact that the joe in the street doesnt think.

like Adolf Hitler once said -

"how fortunate for the governments that the people they administer dont think"....

I think its appropiate that its a quote from Hitler. as Prescott "grandaddy" Bush was a shareholder in a nazi bank that the feds closed in 1942, as it was NAZI money..however, they returned him 1,5 million dollars later???



[edit on 13-3-2010 by andy1972]

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I really want to know where you are going with these calls for a "new investigation" because you appear to be all over the place. And what exactly do you want to be found out if there ever is a "new investigation"? What will satisfy your needs? A complete admission to gross negligence on behalf of quite a few people that were in charge of our security and safety, or an admission of being completely complicit in the attack, right down to rigging the Towers, faking crashes, etc etc etc?



[edit on 3/12/2010 by GenRadek]


For me, a new investigation into what really caused the towers to fall. I think once the truth came out about that it might shed some light on who was behind it.