Limbaugh: I'll Leave US If Health Care Reform Passes

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
Everyone else is to blame for my problems. Honestly, any idea based on resentment just irks me.

I don't consider myself responsible for everything, and I don't choose to be inactive because that is simply "the way things must go". However, in any situation, I am more comfortable creating a viable solution and following it than wasting time complaining about the enemy, or whatever is responsible. All things are simply experiences for myself to undergo en route to my goals.

I can't quite grasp what this post means? Are you saying that Rush's resentment over the idea of helping others, irks you?

Me too! If this is not what you mean, would you mind explaining a little more? I'm not sure I get what you are saying here.

[edit on 3/9/2010 by ladyinwaiting]

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Kind of like Chris Matthews, Kieth Olbermann, and the rest of the leftist ilk. Equal lack of contribution to society, but equally big mouths like Limbaugh, Beck, savage and the rest of the "right" ilk.

Oh great, another "I hate (insert republican here)" thread. Just what this site needs. Great way to contribute to the site......

By the way, at least Rush is out there in the world doing something with himself to affect the world around him. What the heck are you doofs doing? Sitting around griping on the internet! I have one word for all your hateful comments towards Rush and Palin and McCain and etc.etc : impotent.

If you feel so strongly about politics that you have to create thread after thread to bash the people you dont like, why not put a little effort into it and actually get involved in your local government? Rather than goofing and whining about it on ATS? Get a life already! Where's the conspiracy?

reply to post by iMacFanatic


People often have false beliefs about the effects of policies. But democracy is quite good at satisfying widely-shared proximate desires. If most people want the government to try method X, method X is what we use. The problem with democracy isn't that a massive change of heart wouldn't lead to radical change. The problem, rather, is that it's awfully difficult to inspire a massive change of heart.


I think this is about right: the general wishes of the public come true, so their elected leaders can remain in power, but those wishes are typically of a universal nature (low unemployment rates, a working healthcare system, free porn on TV etc.), so any moron could aim to fulfill them. But since the public are also morons, they don't know how to get there, and by looking at our governments, neither do our leaders. Tough situation.

Somalia. I suggest Mogadishu.

Somalia. I suggest Mogadishu.

reply to post by mrbarber

I really don't think that they are in the same league at all. They may mock the right but they as far as I have ever seen they are not hate mongers. Nor do they have the same reach.

reply to post by treemanx

OH how macho...hey baby!!!



I do whatever good I can in the world through volunteering. I contribute to causes that I believe in.

Every little thing helps.

AND just how many threads on here are smearing Democrats and liberals...Obama is the anti-Christ comes immediately to mind.

[edit on 3/9/2010 by iMacFanatic]

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
reply to post by treemanx

 

OH how macho...hey baby!!!

Exactly the childish response Id expect.

Have fun with your goofy pointless threads.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Unrealistic people create ideas that sound good but are unrealistic, and then as a result, society decays. Ta-da! This is why you must always be vigilant against people who are unrealistic, even if they have no power yet.
Mr Limbaugh is unrealistic. God, I miss Bill Buckley.

There has been so many media attention starved whores (oops, yes I said it) that said they would leave the country "if this" or "that happens" in the U.S. They never do of course.

He would never be able to get out of the country. His head is too big to fit through a C-5 cargo plane.

Besides, who would worship and lip lick his feet if he left this country?

Then why do you bother replying?

Nor did you answer my question about the corresponding threads from the right smearing liberals and Democrats.

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
reply to post by treemanx

 

I do whatever good I can in the world through volunteering. I contribute to causes that I believe in.

Every little thing helps.

AND just how many threads on here are smearing Democrats and liberals...Obama is the anti-Christ comes immediately to mind.

[edit on 3/9/2010 by iMacFanatic]

Oh! I see you added this to your original post. You must have had enough time to think of a snappy come back!

And I see in your world, that two wrongs make a right? You must be supporting these types of threads because other people are making Democrat bashing threads? You are part of the problem, noit part of the solution, as you may try to have us believe with your claims of "volunteer" work. If you have a problem with the Obama bashing, why not go and support the things you believe he is doing right in your community? Oh, wait, becasue you're an armchair quaterback. Thats right.

Is it tit for tat to point out the hypocrisies of the other side? I think not.

Republicans and conservatives are not the only true Americans or patriots or Christians despite their best efforts over the years to paint themselves as such...amazingly there are people who still believe them.

Mr. Oxicotin has been a big part of this. He has said for example that he hopes the president fails...

If Al Franken had said that during junior's years fat mouth would have been howling calling him a traitor who should be shipped off to Gitmo.

Recently the blow hard had need of the state of Hawaii's universal health coverage and he pronounced it good care. Yet he opposes it for the nation.

So as far as I am concerned he is fair game and if his devotees have a problem with it...all I can say is what goes around comes around.

You demonize others...don't be surprised when they demonize you.

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

People often have false beliefs about the effects of policies. But democracy is quite good at satisfying widely-shared proximate desires. If most people want the government to try method X, method X is what we use. The problem with democracy isn't that a massive change of heart wouldn't lead to radical change. The problem, rather, is that it's awfully difficult to inspire a massive change of heart.


I think this is about right: the general wishes of the public come true, so their elected leaders can remain in power, but those wishes are typically of a universal nature (low unemployment rates, a working healthcare system, free porn on TV etc.), so any moron could aim to fulfill them. But since the public are also morons, they don't know how to get there, and by looking at our governments, neither do our leaders. Tough situation.

People can talk in circles and say a great deal, without presenting any substantive thought. If it is true that the public is comprised of "morons", and the governments are likewise comprised of "morons", then doesn't it follow that those who are not "morons" and have the solutions to our economic difficulties, such as yourself, have the obligation to step up and present solutions?

Making critiques, rather than contributing ideas, is something anybody can do. It's coming up with solutions and viable ideas that separates the morons from those of accomplishment.

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
Is it tit for tat to point out the hypocrisies of the other side? I think not.

Republicans and conservatives are not the only true Americans or patriots or Christians despite their best efforts over the years to paint themselves as such...amazingly there are people who still believe them.

Mr. Oxicotin has been a big part of this. He has said for example that he hopes the president fails...

If Al Franken had said that during junior's years fat mouth would have been howling calling him a traitor who should be shipped off to Gitmo.

Recently the blow hard had need of the state of Hawaii's universal health coverage and he pronounced it good care. Yet he opposes it for the nation.

So as far as I am concerned he is fair game and if his devotees have a problem with it...all I can say is what goes around comes around.

You demonize others...don't be surprised when they demonize you.

I bet your glad that you are not in the media spotlight so that everyone in the free world can criticize you for your mistakes. Calling Rush "Mr. Oxicotin" (misspelled by the way), is just showing your childish parroting of propaganda. Im sure that if your life was in the spotlight, we would probably have many more things to criticize than Rush.

So if you have anything other than flames to contribute, then speak on. Otherwise, we have enough flames for every man woman and child in the world, and yours are not needed.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


With a projected $1.8 trillion deficit for 2010, several trillions more in deficits projected over the next decade, and with both Medicare and Social Security entitlement spending about to ratchet up several notches over the next 15 years as Baby Boomers become eligible for both, we are rapidly running out of other people’s money. These deficits are simply not sustainable and they are either going to result in unprecedented new taxes and inflation or they will bankrupt us.

While we clearly need health care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and moves us much closer to a complete governmental takeover of our health care system. Instead, we should be trying to achieve reforms by moving in the exact opposite direction-toward less governmental control and more individual empowerment.

No healthcare in any country is free. When I lived in Sweden we paid, through our insane taxes, healthcare payment every month--not only for ourselves, but for other people as well. If you rarely use the service or not is irrelevant. Add to the fact that your basic healthcare will typically take place at an overcrowded municipality hospital with long waiting queues, and that the emergency service in many bigger cities like Stockholm is slowly breaking down.

The current, private healthcare system, in my opinion, is not working. The reasons are simple, business men at insurance and pharmaceutical companies call all the shots and supercede both you and your doctor. Due to relaxed regulations now, insurance companies can choose not to pay for procedures and treatments recommended and performed by your doctor after the fact so you're left holding the bill. And because it is privatized, it is all run like a business where repeat business and addictive treatments are not only tolerated, but encouraged.

It would be overly presumptuous to try and propose a fix-all here, but we have a pretty good idea what the first step ought to be for the public and private sectors alike: Take control away from the corporations and bureaucrats and put it back into the hands of doctors and nurses. They care about our health, not our provider, and certainly aren't going to work overtime just to write Viagra prescriptions. It won't solve all our problems, but it would be a move towards a healthier lifestyle all-around.

I am going to stick this up here so someone may understand Rush's point.

I have listened to his show, but haven't for over four years.

Rush is drawing attention to the fact that many 'Hollywood types' promised to leave the United States if George W Bush was elected in 2000, Barbara Streisand being one of them.

The list of the ones who left was very short, zero I believe.

I am all for people ranting about Rush as much as they want, just saying that point that he is making may be misunderstood here.

reply to post by concernedcitizan


Agreed. The huge corporations are very much at the root of the problem, both private insurance, as well as big pharms. This is a first step at taking some of their power and monsterous greed. The disarming of these corporations has to start somewhere.

When we criticize both the new healthcare proposals, as well as private insurance.....and make the decision that neither is worth having, then obviously we have ruled out everything and it leaves us with nothing.


There may be some countries that have a similar program to what is being proposed, but I do not believe Sweden is one of them, by the way.
Americans would never accept socialist policies to that degree, I don't believe.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Hey guys, you must of struck a nerve.

Originally posted by joeofthemountain


You do realize that your on a conspiracy site...right?

It is YOU'RE not "YOUR".

Thanks.

p.s. English is my second language, if I can learn it anyone can.