DEW/Energy Weapons? Holograms? TV Fakery? No Planes at the WTC? -- A 9/11 Disinfo Campaign

originally posted by: BlackOp007

Just ask yourself, how does Jetfuel A used by the United States with known finite properties, even cause anything close to the effects we saw at Ground Zero. Study the properties of Grade A jetfuel and run your own tests.

We can take a look at this video of a steel beam exposed to the effects of a jet fuel fire.



What did the jet fuel fire do to that steel beam? We can also take a look at the effects of fuel-fed fires on steel structures here.

Private jet crashes into hangar at California airport, sparks inferno

A multimillion dollar private jet crashed into a hangar at a California airport creating an “unsurvivable” inferno on the ground, a fire official said.

Santa Monica Fire Department Captain John Nevandro told NBC Los Angeles that the crash was "unsurvivable.” He added: "The building actually collapsed and wrapped itself around the plane."

www.nbcnews.com...

One hangar collapsed, its steel trusses crossing over the plane and the sheet metal shell wrapping around it, McKenny said. Two other hangars received minor damage.

smdp.com...


Overpass Near San Francisco Collapses After Fire

OAKLAND, Calif., April 29 — A fiery pre-dawn tanker truck accident caused the collapse of a heavily trafficked freeway overpass near downtown today, sending hundreds of feet of concrete crashing onto a highway below and hobbling a vital Bay Area interchange.

He was not the only one wondering how the overpass, which dates to the 1950’s, had failed. At a noontime press conference held at a toll plaza near the collapse, Mr. Kempton said the heat from the fireball had likely melted the steel girders and bolts that support the concrete roadway. “If you have that kind of heat, you’re going to have this kind of reaction,” he said. “We’re not surprised this happened.”

www.nytimes.com...

I am not going into detail to let terrorists know how to get dangerous weapons they can use on us, but only high energy weapons beyond jetfuel caused these effects.

Then, explain why the steel columns of WTC 1 remained standing within the huge bomb crater after the 1993 bombing.

Photo: WTC 1 Steel Columns Standing Within Huge Bomb Crater

No new propaganda?

a reply to: wildb

No new propaganda?

Not from me!

After 14 years, the evidence has spoken, which is backed by structural and civil engineers, architects, firefighters, and even demolition experts, stating, that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the destruction at ground zero, which coincides with international intelligence warnings that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would be responsible for the massive terrorist attack.

Let's not forget Osama bin Laden's admission and al-Qaeda's mayrtyr videos of the 9/11 hijackers, which back the international intelligence warnings that they would be responsible. Let's also remember that if you are not with them, you are considered their enemy.

Its obvious steel can be weakened by jetfuel fire. I know this already.

But steel does not break, it just loses structural properties and rigidity. A plane can not get through a steel beam at the early stage before a fire occurs or even on initial stage of impact.

The history channel footage was misleading. If you had a jetfuel fire in a poorly designed building, and the fire burnt for a while of course the building could start to decompose and fail.

However, the nature of the collapse including spontaneous fires burning for days, the missing wreckage which is why so little wreckage was found and other visable properties on the buildings by nearby structured next to collapsed buildings, and lots of bodies which were not recovered and totally disintegrated. This was a high energy device where nuclear or nuclear like processees were going on, even the mushroom cloud and building coming apart and the rate of speed of the decomposition and elimination of everything in its path into particles and having pieces fused together into the WTC meteorite, ie what it looked like, and other parts.

That is impossible by jetfuel which only creates thermal heat at certain temperatures which can not fuse multiple pieces into each other like we saw.

You can not use airplanes to create the same senario we saw if we recreated the initial world trade center complex. It is fundamentally impossible. There are calculations one can make on various aspects.

quote]originally posted by: skyeagle409

originally posted by: BlackOp007

Just ask yourself, how does Jetfuel A used by the United States with known finite properties, even cause anything close to the effects we saw at Ground Zero. Study the properties of Grade A jetfuel and run your own tests.

We can take a look at this video of a steel beam exposed to the effects of a jet fuel fire.



What did the jet fuel fire do to that steel beam? We can also take a look at the effects of fuel-fed fires on steel structures here.

Private jet crashes into hangar at California airport, sparks inferno

A multimillion dollar private jet crashed into a hangar at a California airport creating an “unsurvivable” inferno on the ground, a fire official said.

Santa Monica Fire Department Captain John Nevandro told NBC Los Angeles that the crash was "unsurvivable.” He added: "The building actually collapsed and wrapped itself around the plane."

www.nbcnews.com...

One hangar collapsed, its steel trusses crossing over the plane and the sheet metal shell wrapping around it, McKenny said. Two other hangars received minor damage.

smdp.com...


Overpass Near San Francisco Collapses After Fire

OAKLAND, Calif., April 29 — A fiery pre-dawn tanker truck accident caused the collapse of a heavily trafficked freeway overpass near downtown today, sending hundreds of feet of concrete crashing onto a highway below and hobbling a vital Bay Area interchange.

He was not the only one wondering how the overpass, which dates to the 1950’s, had failed. At a noontime press conference held at a toll plaza near the collapse, Mr. Kempton said the heat from the fireball had likely melted the steel girders and bolts that support the concrete roadway. “If you have that kind of heat, you’re going to have this kind of reaction,” he said. “We’re not surprised this happened.”

www.nytimes.com...

I am not going into detail to let terrorists know how to get dangerous weapons they can use on us, but only high energy weapons beyond jetfuel caused these effects.

Then, explain why the steel columns of WTC 1 remained standing within the huge bomb crater after the 1993 bombing.

Photo: WTC 1 Steel Columns Standing Within Huge Bomb Crater

Easily. The weapon used in the 1993 bombing was not a high energy device like an advanced nuclear bomb for instance. It was urea-nitrate, ie a fertilizer bomb. Wrong bomb type to demolish the WTC like we saw plus placement and the people operating it were not intelligent enough to even make it do more damage than it did.

The effects of these bombs are well known.

originally posted by: BlackOp007
Its obvious steel can be weakened by jetfuel fire. I know this already.

But steel does not break, it just loses structural properties and rigidity. A plane can not get through a steel beam at the early stage before a fire occurs or even on initial stage of impact.

The history channel footage was misleading. If you had a jetfuel fire in a poorly designed building, and the fire burnt for a while of course the building could start to decompose and fail.

However, the nature of the collapse including spontaneous fires burning for days, the missing wreckage which is why so little wreckage was found and other visable properties on the buildings by nearby structured next to collapsed buildings, and lots of bodies which were not recovered and totally disintegrated. This was a high energy device where nuclear or nuclear like processees were going on, even the mushroom cloud and building coming apart and the rate of speed of the decomposition and elimination of everything in its path into particles and having pieces fused together into the WTC meteorite, ie what it looked like, and other parts.

That is impossible by jetfuel which only creates thermal heat at certain temperatures which can not fuse multiple pieces into each other like we saw.

You can not use airplanes to create the same senario we saw if we recreated the initial world trade center complex. It is fundamentally impossible. There are calculations one can make on various aspects.

quote]originally posted by: skyeagle409

originally posted by: BlackOp007

Just ask yourself, how does Jetfuel A used by the United States with known finite properties, even cause anything close to the effects we saw at Ground Zero. Study the properties of Grade A jetfuel and run your own tests.

We can take a look at this video of a steel beam exposed to the effects of a jet fuel fire.

What did the jet fuel fire do to that steel beam? We can also take a look at the effects of fuel-fed fires on steel structures here.

Private jet crashes into hangar at California airport, sparks inferno

A multimillion dollar private jet crashed into a hangar at a California airport creating an “unsurvivable” inferno on the ground, a fire official said.

Santa Monica Fire Department Captain John Nevandro told NBC Los Angeles that the crash was "unsurvivable.” He added: "The building actually collapsed and wrapped itself around the plane."

www.nbcnews.com...

One hangar collapsed, its steel trusses crossing over the plane and the sheet metal shell wrapping around it, McKenny said. Two other hangars received minor damage.

smdp.com...


Overpass Near San Francisco Collapses After Fire

OAKLAND, Calif., April 29 — A fiery pre-dawn tanker truck accident caused the collapse of a heavily trafficked freeway overpass near downtown today, sending hundreds of feet of concrete crashing onto a highway below and hobbling a vital Bay Area interchange.

He was not the only one wondering how the overpass, which dates to the 1950’s, had failed. At a noontime press conference held at a toll plaza near the collapse, Mr. Kempton said the heat from the fireball had likely melted the steel girders and bolts that support the concrete roadway. “If you have that kind of heat, you’re going to have this kind of reaction,” he said. “We’re not surprised this happened.”

www.nytimes.com...

I am not going into detail to let terrorists know how to get dangerous weapons they can use on us, but only high energy weapons beyond jetfuel caused these effects.

Then, explain why the steel columns of WTC 1 remained standing within the huge bomb crater after the 1993 bombing.

Photo: WTC 1 Steel Columns Standing Within Huge Bomb Crater

a reply to: BlackOp007

Very well put post, I understand what you are saying and agree 100%, I just am not good putting it into words like you do. Star's for you.

Welcome to ATS, I can see now you will (Hopefully) contribute much. Thank you for being here

a reply to: BlackOp007

Easily. The weapon used in the 1993 bombing was not a high energy device like an advanced nuclear bomb for instance.

In that case, if a nuke was detonated, much of New York City would have been leveled and video cameras, vehicles and computers would have ceased working from any EMP effects. However, they continued to operate normally even after the WTC buildings collapsed and furthermore, no evidence of a nuclear detonation was ever found.

It was urea-nitrate, ie a fertilizer bomb. Wrong bomb type to demolish the WTC like we saw plus placement and the people operating it were not intelligent enough to even make it do more damage than it did.

Even with high energy explosives, a steel frame building be structurally weaken, otherwise, this will be the result.

Steel Structure Remined Standing

The effects of these bombs are well known.

That's right and we can take a look at this building that remained standing despite the detonation of 5 JDAM bombs inside.

5 JDAM Detonations Still Leaves Building Standing

Explain why that building remained standing despite absorbing multiple bomb strikes.

In that case, much of New York City would have been leveled and video cameras, vehicles and computers would have ceased working from any EMP effects. However, they continued to operate normally even after the WTC buildings collapsed and furthermore, no evidence of a nuclear detonation was ever found.

a reply to: skyeagle409


Tell ya what Sky, why don't you post your credentials as to your qualifications to speak about these things, you, me and most anyone else does not know what tech is available then and now..

a reply to: wildb

Tell ya what Sky, why don't you post your credentials as to your qualifications to speak about these things, you, me and most anyone else does not know what tech is available then and now..

As far as nukes are concern, I attended nuclear school at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, CA., in 1972 and I am also well aware of bomb effects from spending a lot of time in a war zone.

I have many years experience in aircraft structures and I can relate to building structures as well. As a pilot of 46 years, I have debunked what I knew, didn't fit in with reality in the real world of aviation. In fact, I have led chapters whose members included commercial pilots, military pilots,, instructor pilots on down to student pilots, in addition to military and civilian FAA-certified technicians.

I also know that demolition explosives and thermite were not responsible for the destruction at ground zero.

As far as nukes are concern, I attended nuclear school at Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, CA., in 1972 and I am also well aware of bomb effects from spending a lot of time in a war zone.

a reply to: skyeagle409

1972 sums it up, what school, and for what..frankly put do you know how to build nuke bombs , I don't think so therefor you are ?

PS I have been through NBC.. so you know,

a reply to: wildb

1972 sums it up, what school, and for what..frankly put do you know how to build nuke bombs , I don't think so therefor you are ?

Believe me, I know how fission and fusion bombs work.

PS I have been through NBC.. so you know,

So have I, so why are you arguing with me? You would have known that I am right on the money.

Believe me, I know how fission and fusion bombs work.

It's not about what you know, it's what you don't know..

So have I, so why are you arguing with me? You would have known that I am right on the money.

No I don't know that, not even if I agreed with you..

a reply to: wildb

It's not about what you know, it's what you don't know..

What I do know, is that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

No I don't know that, not even if I agreed with you..

Structural and civil engineers, architects, firefighters, demolition experts, RJ Lee Group, the dust sample experts, ARINC, the ACARS experts, American Airlines, United Airlines, Rolls-Royce, Boeing Aircraft Company and other investigators agree with me.

Impossible and false. I know of loads of engineers and architects who believe otherwise with full biographies posted on the internet who have years of experience.

In fact they were at a group meeting this week to discuss the matter futher. These people have very strong backgrounds in their professions even if some conclusions differ in the group.

And it isn't just people from this grouping, it is also lots of other people as well even though some just aren't interested in investigating it or spending time on it. More people today do not believe the official report than the government story. This is a fact based on official polling data.

Based on John Lear's testimony and based on the white plane we saw behind the WTC explosion area on video feeds, I strongly believe this contained a holoprojector of the airplane people saw based on the airforce's own holoprojection strategy as mentioned on the airforce website.

For those on site who were not paid actors, they have said it was a quiet airplane or reported as black and not having American Airlines markings. Witness testimony has been established regarding the airplanes along with the planted and faked engine core. Names and testimony is on file with video recordings.

The plane frame can not penetration thru Steel upon hitting the building. It is fundamentally impossible. Airplanes have crashed into buildings before and the effects are well documented.

One thing that can be researched is to document if the reflective pools actually are the exact footprints of the WTC towers and to scan the ground underneath which could help in the investigation.

To me the reflective pools are eeringly similar to underground nuclear waste storage and the fact they are there to coverup the real truth.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

It's not about what you know, it's what you don't know..

What I do know, is that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7.

No I don't know that, not even if I agreed with you..

Structural and civil engineers, architects, firefighters, demolition experts, RJ Lee Group, the dust sample experts, ARINC, the ACARS experts, American Airlines, United Airlines, Rolls-Royce, Boeing Aircraft Company and other investigators agree with me.

a reply to: BlackOp007

Impossible and false.

I am right on the money.

I know of loads of engineers and architects who believe otherwise with full biographies posted on the internet who have years of experience.

Let's look at these numbers.

Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse

"The aircraft moved through the building as if it were a hot and fast lava flow," Sozen says. "Consequently, much of the fireproofing insulation was ripped off the structure. Even if all of the columns and girders had survived the impact - an unlikely event - the structure would fail as the result of a buckling of the columns. The heat from an ordinary office fire would suffice to soften and weaken the unprotected steel. Evaluation of the effects of the fire on the core column structure, with the insulation removed by the impact, showed that collapse would follow whatever the number of columns cut at the time of the impact."

There are 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report.


Towers Weakened by Planes; Brought Down by Fire

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report,...

....there are123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.


The Structural Engineering Community Rejects the Controlled-Demolition Conspiracy Theory

The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.

911-engineers.blogspot.com...

As you can see, 9/11 conspiracy theorist do not have the support of those experts.

For those on site who were not paid actors,...

Post the evidence, otherwise your claim is baseless.

... they have said it was a quiet airplane or reported as black and not having American Airlines markings.

Says who?! Present the evidence otherwise your claim is baseless.

... Witness testimony has been established regarding the airplanes along with the planted and faked engine core.

How do you plant a faked engine core in New York City in front of hundreds of people. How do you plant a faked engine core when each engine can be tracked and accounted for?

it is evident that you have allowed yourself to be duped with disinformation that has been planted in order to discredit 9/11 conspiracy theorist and judging by what you have just posted, the disinformation campaign as been working.

Disinformation Killed 9/11 “Truth”

By 2009, the 9/11 “Truth” Movement was so inundated with disinformation that it had become a laughingstock. The easily-discredited claims (lies) contaminated the greater issue and soiled dissenters across the board. “Turd blossom” was a Karl Rove phrase that could describe what the movement had devolved into. The media, whether corporate or foundation-funded, could find people ranting about “the Jews” or the Illuminati, the Lizard People, the missiles, holograms, mini-nukes or space beam weapons vaporizing the Twin Towers.

Many trolls, and some public personalities, appeared to be professional disinformation artists hard at work concocting and posting this crap online, which others repeated to their own detriment. One cannot easily prove that a specific person is a paid shill, a disinformation agent, a cyber agent provocateur, but be assured they are out there, and “out there.”

www.911truth.org...

a reply to: BlackOp007

Based on John Lear's testimony and based on the white plane we saw behind the WTC explosion area on video feeds, I strongly believe this contained a holoprojector of the airplane people saw based on the airforce's own holoprojection strategy as mentioned on the airforce website.

Let's take a look and explain why this video of United 175 debunks your claim.



John Lear has done a fantastic job of making 9/11 conspiracy theorist look like clowns.

One thing that can be researched is to document if the reflective pools actually are the exact footprints of the WTC towers and to scan the ground underneath which could help in the investigation.

Why? You are not going to find a nuclear bomb crater beneath the reflective pools.

a reply to: BlackOp007

The plane frame can not penetration thru Steel upon hitting the building.

Tell that to the sailors in WW2 who's ships were hit by kamikazes in wooden/aluminum planes.
You really don't understand the mechanics of the incidents or the investigation afterward.

Absolutely wrong. I am talking about a Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 with radome and fuselage specifically and the WTC steel frame building. We know where the steel beams were as well as welds and bolts and the like. The construction of WTC was a well documented event.

The insertion of the alleged faked plane into the building which looked like it just glided in does not even correspond to the photos of debris that were left at the crash site. In the visable photos no plane wreckage is seen leaving the building if a plane was even swallowed inside like shown.

All the evidence shows this from all angles at every level.

The reason why all the people who are the bright structural engineers who understand this and others are having disputes as to the underlying cause is because there was no immediate formal investigation and known players wanted it swept under the rug and specifically lied on evidence such as the FBI. If one player says nanothermite but there aren't other dust samples proving this by a credible party, its hard to prove or disprove because we know there was a known coverup as a factual statement. Those who look at all the evidence available who have specific backgrounds which qualify as expert witnesses in a court room would understand this.

There in fact has been no courtroom cases or juries convened for this matter. All the cases have been forced confessions by Al Qaeda members who by the way are not nice people and would have loved to actually replicate and pull off this incident if it was possible for them to do so.

That doesn't mean an inside job necessarily but it does imply evidence has been tampered with and the likely of being an inside job is higher.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: BlackOp007

The plane frame can not penetration thru Steel upon hitting the building.

Tell that to the sailors in WW2 who's ships were hit by kamikazes in wooden/aluminum planes.
You really don't understand the mechanics of the incidents or the investigation afterward.

a reply to: BlackOp007

bsolutely wrong. I am talking about a Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 with radome and fuselage specifically and the WTC steel frame building. We know where the steel beams were as well as welds and bolts and the like. The construction of WTC was a well documented event.

Have you ever seen the destruction to jet engines caused by soft-bodied birds?

The insertion of the alleged faked plane into the building which looked like it just glided in does not even correspond to the photos of debris that were left at the crash site. In the visable photos no plane wreckage is seen leaving the building if a plane was even swallowed inside like shown.

Let's take a look here.

Depiction of WTC 1 and WTC 2 After Impacts

Now, let's take a look at this video of WTC 2.



What was that flying from the opposite side of WTC 2?

I don't see any evidence of what you would see in a plane crash in that image at all.

And I am 100% certain no commercial jets crashed into the buildings as alleged.

I am not going to go on anymore about it here. We need an independent investigation and we need new governmental players in the next administration to make this happen.

The mass media tapes show the airplane. A lot of videos were edited by NIST as documented by others.

The non media tapes from the firemans video which is legitimate does not show any airplane at all in the footage. You see deception and eye trickery, much like those images we saw when we were kids where they ask what you see in an image that someone else gives you and your perception is different.

It is a fakery and I am absolutely certain on this as are others I know of. Random unknown posters on here just like to spread disinformation knowingly or were tricked and do not have the mental capacity to understand the truth. Look at plenty of other websites with verified biographies of individuals and talk to well educated people directly.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: BlackOp007

bsolutely wrong. I am talking about a Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 with radome and fuselage specifically and the WTC steel frame building. We know where the steel beams were as well as welds and bolts and the like. The construction of WTC was a well documented event.

Have you ever seen the destruction to jet engines caused by soft-bodied birds?

The insertion of the alleged faked plane into the building which looked like it just glided in does not even correspond to the photos of debris that were left at the crash site. In the visable photos no plane wreckage is seen leaving the building if a plane was even swallowed inside like shown.

Let's take a look here.

Depiction of WTC 1 and WTC 2 After Impacts

Now, let's take a look at this video of WTC 2.

What was that flying from the opposite side of WTC 2?