DEW/Energy Weapons? Holograms? TV Fakery? No Planes at the WTC? -- A 9/11 Disinfo Campaign

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: HorusChrist

have to assume that is by design and why they are censoring this forum, it makes people give up. I see this on all the conspiracy forums on the net, all being increasingly censored.

Have your words ever been censored on ATS?
Does the company you work for, know what 'user names' you post under?

You act like TPTB watch everything you do online.
You act like they then disseminate that info to your employer.

How many government humans does it take to monitor your family of five?
Land lines, cell phone, internet, snail mail.
Considering there are just over 4 million federal employees, there just isn't enough.

yes it's been censored since I first got here and it's likely this entire line of posts about censorship will be deleted soon proving my point. and nice job of trying to threaten me to stay quiet.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Im glad this has been brought up. Skyeagle, you spew disinformation so often it's impossible not to notice.

All you have to do is the prove it with evidence, otherwise, your statement is baseless. After all, 14 years has passed and still no evidence of an 9/11 inside job.

Enough. It's gross. And it's not persuading anyone anyway.

It is all about facts and evidence, not persuasion.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Im glad this has been brought up. Skyeagle, you spew disinformation so often it's impossible not to notice.

All you have to do is the prove it with evidence, otherwise, your statement is baseless. After all, 14 years has passed and still no evidence of an 9/11 inside job.

Enough. It's gross. And it's not persuading anyone anyway.

It is all about facts and evidence, not persuasion.

fact: a coverup occurred. as to why? have to assume govt bush admin complicity. Why did 2 refuse to testify under oath and needed his handler cheney there? why did they destroy 9/11 debris? why won't they show video of pentagon getting hit? why did the 9/11 commission hide 28 pages? why did they not investigate Saudi Arabia funding of the attacks?

a reply to: HorusChrist

onus is on you to prove official theory.

It is very simple. First of all, seismograph operators have debunked the claim of 9/11 conspiracy theorist their seismographs depicted demolition explosions as the WTC buildings collapsed. According to the seismograph operators, their seismographs depicted no such thing, which proves that 9/11 conspiracy are guilty of pushing false and misleading information regarding seismic data and 9/11.

Secondly, photos and videos taken during the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 have debunked the claim of 9/11 conspiracy theorist that those buildings fell at free fall speed, but it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that debris, which are falling at free fall speed, are seen outpacing the collapse of the WTC buildings., which effectively debunks the claim the WTC buildings fell at free fall speed.

Thirdly, 9/11 conspiracy theorist are so confused because they have been flooded with disinformation, that they are now fighting among themselves. They can't even agree on how United 93 crashed. There are 9/11 conspiracy theorist claiming that missiles, not aircraft, took out the Pentagon and the WTC Towers while other 9/11 conspiracy theorist claim that space beams and nukes were responsible.

but govt destroyed the evidence so that is hard to do. we can assume they destroyed evidence due to being complicit.

What evidence? I want details, not speculation. Apparently, "200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse." Not to mention that real experts do not agree with 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

there was seismic spieks but that was due to rubble hitting the ground. so you're just trying to confuse us with a strawman like how you can disprove the hologram hoax story.



"That the larger spikes of the seismic signatures of the Tower collapses were produced by falling rubble does not preclude that the Towers were destroyed with explosives. In a typical demolition, numerous small explosives are used to shatter the columns supporting the building. Unless the explosives are detonated simultaneously, they are unlikely to produce detectable seismic signatures. If explosives were responsible for the Towers' destruction, they were numerous and were detonated in a synchronized but progressive manner, contributing little to the recorded seismic disturbance. "

a reply to: HorusChrist

"That the larger spikes of the seismic signatures of the Tower collapses were produced by falling rubble does not preclude that the Towers were destroyed with explosives.

There were no demolition spikes priof to the collapse of the WTC buildings.

In a typical demolition, numerous small explosives are used to shatter the columns supporting the building.

Which would have sent signals into the ground where they would have been detected by seismographs. Seismograph operators have stated that their seismographs did not detect demolition explosions at any time.

Conspiracy Theorist Misread 9/11 Seismic Data

Claim: Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. "The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth," reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.

A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are "indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down" the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each "sharp spike of short duration," says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a "demolition-style implosion."

Fine Lines: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below). (Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University: Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist; Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director; Mary Tobin, senior science writer)

"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear—misleadingly—as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves—blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower—start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground.

Translation: no bombs.

www.popularmechanics.com...

a reply to: HorusChrist

fact: a coverup occurred. as to why?

Let's just say that Bush did not have a viable explanation as to why he ignored international intelligence warnings from around the world that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people. It isn't the only blunder that Bush has committed.

You can tie the names of the 9/11 hijackers taking flying lessons with their names on the passenger manifest of American 11, American 77, United 93, and United 175 and their images on martyr videos, which were released by al-Qaeda.

What are we to make of 9/11 conspiracy theorist who continue to claim that no aircraft struck the WTC buildings and the Pentagon, not to mention that no aircraft crashed near Shanksville?

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

"That the larger spikes of the seismic signatures of the Tower collapses were produced by falling rubble does not preclude that the Towers were destroyed with explosives.

There were no demolition spikes priof to the collapse of the WTC buildings.

^never said there were so I didn't read the rest

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist

fact: a coverup occurred. as to why?

Let's just say that Bush did not have a viable explanation as to why he ignored international intelligence warnings from around the world that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people. It isn't the only blunder that Bush has committed.

You can tie the names of the 9/11 hijackers taking flying lessons with their names on the passenger manifest of American 11, American 77, United 93, and United 175 and their images on martyr videos, which were released by al-Qaeda.

What are we to make of 9/11 conspiracy theorist who continue to claim that no aircraft struck the WTC buildings and the Pentagon, not to mention that no aircraft crashed near Shanksville?

what are we to make of a guy denying everything here . . . where is that video of plane hitting pentagon for example?

what are we to make of a guy denying everything here . . . where is that video of plane hitting pentagon for example?

He hasn't posted one yet, but you know one does not exist..

a reply to: HorusChrist

why did they destroy 9/11 debris? why won't they show video of pentagon getting hit? why did the 9/11 commission hide 28 pages? why did they not investigate Saudi Arabia funding of the attacks?

There is plenty of debris still around.
Just travel to any major city. It's on display.

There is no video of the Pentagon impact.
You need to prove there were operational cameras aimed in the direction of the impact.
Besides we have video of the WTC impacts and you still don't believe them.

The commission hid 28 pages for security reasons.
It doesn't change the fact 19 hijackers flew four planes.

They did trace the money.
It came from accounts that OBL controlled.

Instead of asking people on ATS why don't you look for answers on non conspiracy web sites?

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: HorusChrist

why did they destroy 9/11 debris? why won't they show video of pentagon getting hit? why did the 9/11 commission hide 28 pages? why did they not investigate Saudi Arabia funding of the attacks?

There is plenty of debris still around.
Just travel to any major city. It's on display.

There is no video of the Pentagon impact.
You need to prove there were operational cameras aimed in the direction of the impact.
Besides we have video of the WTC impacts and you still don't believe them.

The commission hid 28 pages for security reasons.
It doesn't change the fact 19 hijackers flew four planes.

They did trace the money.
It came from accounts that OBL controlled.

Instead of asking people on ATS why don't you look for answers on non conspiracy web sites?

myself and many have been looking for that so why would I need to prove that, 9/11 commission should have. left out 28 pages due to security reasons? not good enough.

•Tully Construction, Sacramento District
•Bovis Lend Lease International, Mobile District
•AMEC Construction Management, Portland District
•Turner Construction, Baltimore District


these contractors removed the evidence quick as can be. where did it go. don't tell me to find out, if you belive official story surely that info should be at your ready. don't be like skyeagle either and post a link that debunks what you said, thinking no one will check it.

I'm surprised they admit some of this stuff on the official 9/11 memorial site . . .

www.911memorial.org...

September 28, 2001: More than 134 tons of material have been removed; NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani estimates that the cleanup will take “anywhere from nine months to a year.”

October 6, 2001: The last federal rescue team leaves ground zero. Although workers hope to find survivors, their official mission shifts to recovery.

October 8, 2001: Construction workers discover a crack in the subterranean “slurry wall” encircling the World Trade Center site. Engineers fear the slurry wall will rupture, causing catastrophic flooding that would compromise recovery operations. In the following weeks, engineers and workers fortify the slurry wall.

October 28, 2001: A memorial service is held at the World Trade Center site for victims’ families.

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a reply to: HorusChrist

I suppose they were just supposed to leave it all there for 14 years so the conspiracy theorists could go over every single atom? Things get destroyed, they get removed. Plus they had a fire to contend with for 3 months. Leaving the debris there would have seriously hindered the fire fighters.

After 14 years conspiracy theorists have yet to come up with one SOLID claim, with indisputable proof, that it was anything other than planes that hit the 2 WTC buildings.

I've seen people saying it was explosives, thermite, nano-thermite, lasers, drones, missiles and a whole lot more.

Prove it was anything other than planes and you might be listened to. You can't? Oh, it must be a cover-up /sigh

a reply to: HorusChrist

I find it interesting that he believes in UFOs and aliens but trusts the govt on the 9/11 story!

It is all about evidence. There are 9/11 investigators with no government ties confirming that fire, in conjunction with impact damage, was responsible for the the destruction at ground zero.

And yes, I have seen a UFO over Vietnam in 1968, which was confirmed years later. Lastly, you might want to find out what happened over Washington D.C. in 1952.

Washington Post Headline

The Headlines

There are incidents occurring that you are unaware of.

Your linking us to sites like this, where John Lear pops up on the front page, not cool imo.. and off topic..


www.thelivingmoon.com...

a reply to: wildb

In regard to John Lear, and this claims about 9/11, he has been successfully debunked.