DEW/Energy Weapons? Holograms? TV Fakery? No Planes at the WTC? -- A 9/11 Disinfo Campaign

a reply to: _BoneZ_

None of the things the Truthers claim have been proven, and that's everything from explosives to damage seen on the ground.
It doesn't need to be a "crackpot theory", all of it is crackpot theories when even after 15 years not one of the supposed thousands of "truthers" has been able to offer any actual evidence for anything they claim.

Time to put up or stfu.

If the evidence is there, damn well produce it.

You can't though, because all the supposed "evidence" the "truthers" claim exists has been debunked by ACTUAL SCIENCE a million times over.

Feel free to go thru all this OS stuff and see what you find.

www.scribd.com...

Nothing WHATSOEVER confirms that 5 terrorists have hijacked flight 11.
Betty Ong gave info yet none of it CONFIRMS 5 terrorists have hijacked flight 11. Amy Sweeney (never gives her name during her call) says 2 flight attendants were stabbed and a man in business class had been stabbed in the throat.
Flight 11 crashes into WTC...EVERYTHING from this point on is speculation...Unconfirmed.
Passenger in 10b (Terrorist Satam Al Suqami) has supposedly cut the throat of passenger
in 9b (Daniel Lewin...Wait till you find out who HE is!!!!) and 2 of the flight attendants
have been stabbed non fatally. At this point it is determined they might have knives.
All passengers are in coach. NO ONE is in first class to verify anything. The plane is
"flying erratically". Betty Ong says 2 "guys" (From 2a and 2b) are in cockpit. Plane crashes into WTC.

Here is the link to the timeline.

www.historycommons.org.../11=complete_911_timeline_alleged_passenger_phone_calls&timeline=complete_911_timeline

It even has conflicting info in it. So how is it, from this limited amount of info, that there is a story of hijackers and Osama Bin Laden? Because people ASSUME so much wrong info is somehow proof.

I challenge you to read thru it and tell me the ACTUAL information that was obtained from this entire conversation before Flight 11 hit the WTC. Not conjecture, just facts.
It might open your eyes to some discrepancies you were unaware of.

Without the hijacking information being correct, then the whole story kinda falls apart.


A hockey player was sitting less that 5 feet from one of the alleged
terrorist and let him overtake the cockpit? Yeah... Right.

Just the facts...

a reply to: jabbathehut

Was that the psychic hockey player that knew what was going to happen.

JUST SOME OF THE TRUTHER SENARIOS & CLAIMS

Explosives set during construction
Steel painted with Thermite during construction.
Towers had a Concrete core.
Explosives planted during refit.
Mini Nukes of a new type with NO EMP & NO RADIATION
Clean up workers with radiation related conditions (make your mind up)
DEW Weapons
Weather Modification claims.
All concrete turned to dust (do you guys think nothing else could create dust)
ALL steel turned to dust. just fkn

Steel melted
Steel couldn't be melted.
Office fires can't damage steel.
Pancake collapses cant happen.
Holographic missiles.
Holographic planes.
All images/videos taken on the day are fake.
3000 People from around the WORLD killed by the US Government.

Seriously and you talk about the OS.

a reply to: jabbathehut

Hockey player ...??

Here is passenger list from American 11

iaff2498.org...

Dont see any hockey players here .........

a reply to: wmd_2008


I've read all those "scenarios" wmd..2008..

I am only talking about FACTS derived from the same investigative
procedure one would use to present info in court.

I suppose my ASSUMPTION that a Burly hockey player MIGHT
stomp the weasely little $$$ of a middle eastern guy on a
plane that is threatening to end his life, might be presumptuous.
My bad.

Here is another link worth looking at. Please don't assume all
OTHER info out there is crap until you have gone thru it.

jamesperloff.com...
Daniel Lewin had his throat cut? Do you know who he is?

I cannot say for fact what happened on Flight 11....but neither
can you....nor those that promote the OS. But from what we
have as ACTUAL DATA, the contrived story of today is total B.S.
Flight 11 is where the whole thing was born. Let's get it right
before everything else is based off of it.

Here's another one.....

govinfo.library.unt.edu...

Just read pages 3 and 4 in their entirety and bullet the FACTS and see what
you get.

I do find it rather tiring that folks would rather bash each other than to
calmly look at the info and try and learn something new. I have yet
to have my posted questions answered adequately. It seems as if the
best way to not answer a direct question is to redirect the conversation
on to some emotional backed argumentative subject that takes the attention
away from the subject.

I also don't understand why anyone would "back" either side so adamantly...
Unless they have an agenda or are somehow compensated for it. Governments
are corrupt. Always have been, always will be. FACT.
THAT is why I have such a hard time with what they claim happened.

Is there ANYTHING about the government you DON'T trust?

a reply to: jabbathehut

A hockey player was sitting less that 5 feet from one of the alleged
terrorist and let him overtake the cockpit? Yeah... Right.

Just the facts...

Hockey player - actually "former" hockey player Garnet "ACE" Bailey was on UNITED 175 , scout for LA Kings

iaff2498.org...

Problem was seated next to window, so even if wanted to confront hijackers was not in advantageous position

Manifest and seating chart UNITED 175

911research.wtc7.net...

Bailey was in seat 6F in Business class

Here is bio

en.wikipedia.org...

Listed at 5' 11" 180 lbs - during playing days. Not especially big.....

maybe should do some research first .........

a reply to: firerescue

My bad..

I have all 4 flights seating layouts and passenger manifests
all bookmarked and had the 2 overlayed.

Having a tough time keeping them all straight.
Was looking at 10b and 9b....

Will correct it after dinner.

Well....We had all this laid out in what I thought was
organised enough to put it on the screen.
Now all my .gif files are goobly gook and my links won't
paste from screen to screen....hmmmm
Oh well...we will have to start over. Will be
done in early morn.

Some questions for you experts while I redo this.
1. Betty Ong says 2a and 2b were the "guys" in the
cockpit. Atta was in 8d. Wasn't he the one that
was supposed to be flying the plane?

2. 10b (Satam Al Suqami) supposedly cut 9b's throat
(Daniel C. Lewin). Knowing who he is (was), doesn't that seem
a bit odd? Boxcutter of knife?

3. Flight 175...
6e -John "Mad Dog" Cahill
6f - Ace Bailey
6d- Jane Simpkin
6c- Marwan Alshehhi--Seeing his picture from Said Bahaji's wedding,
would he really have "intimidated" the 3 next to him?

4. Why do some seat assignments (like 15a), have 3 people listed in them?

Just trying to work out any discrepancies I see for now.

Firerescue,while I get the rest back in order, I would like to get that
link for the video of OBL that you quoted from.

Thanks.

Mods,

Can you delete my post from 6:04 p.m.?

Things didn't post right and I don't want to
be accused of misleading or disinfo.

thanks.

a reply to: jabbathehut

Hijackers were divided into 2 teams - hijacker "pilot"/leader and "muscle" hijackers

It was job of "muscle" to takeover the aircraft and deal with any opposition . They would be attack the flight attendants
to secure cockpit key and to take out the pilots

The hijacker pilot would not participate in the rough stuff to avoid injury - would wait until muscle hijackers had done
their job before entering cockpit.

On American 11 the muscle hijackers had attacked the 2 flight attendants in first/business class - Karen Martin and Barbara
Arestegui

Ong and Sweeney were in rear of the cabin and did not see the attack as it unfolded

Lewin - an American born Israeli was stabbed by Al Suqami who was the rear guard to prevent anybody from interfering
from the rear of the aircraft.

Atta sprayed Mace/pepper spray as he went into cockpit to drive any remaining passengers to rear of aircraft

As for boxcutters/knives - term "boxcutter" was a generic term used by media to cover all the weapons used by hijackers

FBI tracked number of purchases by hijackers of knives - Swiss Army Style knives, Leatherman , Stanley utility knives

www.historycommons.org...

originally posted by: jabbathehut
a reply to: wmd_2008


I've read all those "scenarios" wmd..2008..

I am only talking about FACTS derived from the same investigative
procedure one would use to present info in court.

I suppose my ASSUMPTION that a Burly hockey player MIGHT
stomp the weasely little $$$ of a middle eastern guy on a
plane that is threatening to end his life, might be presumptuous.
My bad.

Here is another link worth looking at. Please don't assume all
OTHER info out there is crap until you have gone thru it.

jamesperloff.com...
Daniel Lewin had his throat cut? Do you know who he is?

I cannot say for fact what happened on Flight 11....but neither
can you....nor those that promote the OS. But from what we
have as ACTUAL DATA, the contrived story of today is total B.S.
Flight 11 is where the whole thing was born. Let's get it right
before everything else is based off of it.

Here's another one.....

govinfo.library.unt.edu...

Just read pages 3 and 4 in their entirety and bullet the FACTS and see what
you get.

I do find it rather tiring that folks would rather bash each other than to
calmly look at the info and try and learn something new. I have yet
to have my posted questions answered adequately. It seems as if the
best way to not answer a direct question is to redirect the conversation
on to some emotional backed argumentative subject that takes the attention
away from the subject.

I also don't understand why anyone would "back" either side so adamantly...
Unless they have an agenda or are somehow compensated for it. Governments
are corrupt. Always have been, always will be. FACT.
THAT is why I have such a hard time with what they claim happened.

Is there ANYTHING about the government you DON'T trust?

Well lets see with regards to the ex hockey player YOU are NOT dealing with FACTS, YOU are making ASSUMPTIONS on how YOU think he would have acted YOU were not there YOU don't know the full circumstances do YOU

Most hijackings would end up with the plane being flown to another airport not into the side of buildings so if the flight attendants had been threatend passangers would most likely have been passive at that point based on similar events of the past. Now things may be different as people may ASSUME the same thing might happen and what do they have to lose.


As for backing sides I dont back sides this is how I see the events of that day.

I look at the senario of the COLLAPSE of the buildings having been in the construction industry for 35+ years my first job in the design/drawing office of a STRUCTURAL STEELWORK company. Then having technical roles including testing of structural components sometimes to destruction. Having looked at the DRAWINGS and pictures of how the towers were constructed and having regular talks with STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS and information on fire performance thats what I base my opinion on NOT what I think should happen.

Thermal LOADING due to fire was NOT looked at in ANY DETAIL when the Towers were constructed, people who have NO TECHNICAL undestanding can easily make comments on the net. Typical one being a plane could not go through a steel framed building as its mainly made of aluminium. What they don't cosider is mass & velocity that can have starnge effects example below.



Then many have commented on the palne (B-25)nthat crashed into the the Empire State Building, as far smaller far ligher and slower aircraft and YET this happened.

At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building[8] where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the South side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet and landing on the roof of a nearby building and starting a fire that destroyed a penthouse art studio.The other engine and part of the landing gear plummeted down an elevator shaft.

or HOW ABOUT THIS

Fourteen people were killed: Smith, the two others aboard the bomber (Staff Sergeant Christopher Domitrovich and Albert Perna, a Navy aviation machinist's friend hitching a ride), and eleven others in the building.[2] Smith was not found until two days later after search crews found that his body had gone through an elevator shaft and fallen to the bottom.

Smith was the PILOT of the B-25 would you expect that

The Empire State Building was not open plan floors like the Towers yet the engine and pilot travelled a fair distance.

I dont just DEAL in facts I deal with my EXPERIENCE of working with the materials used in the construction and since NEITHER side can actually know the full extent of the damaged caused by the impacts they what we saw could easily have happened.