The Final Minutes of the South Tower - The flaming inferno

Originally posted by Elieser
Edit: I also have a question. Does anyone know if there were opened gas lines (for heating, cooking,..)

If I remember correctly, William Rodriguez said that there was no gas or propane of any type allowed in the towers because they were Class-A buildings. Cooking was electric only.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Why would you copy and paste debunked stuff from a previous page?

Debunked?

You repeated the definition of "pocket". I concede that pocket was used. The word small was not...really a minor point considering the entire purpose of this video is to mislead the listeners/viewers.


Gage & Company lead you to believe that the fires throughout the building were small. This is clear by the "fact" #1...

"Firefighters were throughout the building."

Were they Bonez? Were there any firefighters in the top 30 floors? This is a simple yes or no question.

The Major is implying that the FDNY was throughout the building to lead you to believe that there were not any major fires. Just "small pockets".

Do you believe this to be true?

We have been over the melting steel. There is ZERO evidence that there was melted steel prior to Collapse


Please answer my questions on topic.....

-Why didn't the Major acknowledge the multiple deaths reported during the video? (only to the injuries)

-Why does he say there was not ANY deformation of the structure prior to collapse?

- Why does he state that the stairwells were not compromised?

Originally posted by ImAPepper
First of all, I would like to explain my initial behavior regarding my first post.

I just bet you would. I would love a unicorn. Your behavior over your first SEVERAL POSTS is exactly why your explanation will be falling on many a deaf ear. Hope you learned how that all works now.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Anything to add here? Can you answer the questions I presented to Bonez?

thank you.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Anything to add here? Can you answer the questions I presented to Bonez?

thank you.

Not to you. You spent post after post complaining about a need for evidence that was presented in the OP you did not even bother to watch. Guess how much attention I am giving your questions, troll?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


My point has been proven then. You will use the excuse that I didn't want to watch the video, and make comments prior to.

Well, after watching it twice, my comments were justified. The video was a travesty. It is misleading at best.

No one here has backed up anything said by the Major with facts. You keep on attacking me for being right... I'm used to it.

Originally posted by andy1972
I have only this to say on the matter -

THE ONLY THREE STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS TO FALL IN THE HISTORY OF CIVIL ENGINEERING DUE TO FIRE WHERE WHICH BUILDINGS????

Doesn't say much for buildings that were designed to withstand the impacts of multiple 707 jet liners now does it.

Click here to learn more about this warning.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

My point has been proven then. You will use the excuse that I didn't want to watch the video, and make comments prior to.

Want a prize? You sure are right. You are forgetting the fact that I am not exactly new here and this is not the first thread in which I have been subjected to your nonsensical babblings. I am already quite inclined to want to ignore you. After watching you try and pretend you did watch the video and had a question about it, I could care less what else you have to add to this thread. If that was your point, then you sure did make it. I hope it really fills you with pride. Trolled enough in this thread yet? I have nothing to gain from anything else you have to say here so I most certainly will ignore it. I know what you have to say. I have seen your post history and just about every post in it has crossed my path. Do not pretend I do not know what you are about. Anyone not sure should just look at your post history. Now unless you have anything real that pertains specifically to me, your next trolling attempt will just get you put on ignore.

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Thank you Bonez.
We can only continue to hope that the truth will come out someday soon, and that the lives that were taken that day out of greed and personal gain somehow receive justice.
I can only wish that the amount of energy put out by some to hold onto a position and belief in a fairy tale OS would be recommitted and directed to obtaining the truth.
Physics seems to not matter, as much as the safety in belief of a lie.
A lie that offers comfort as long as its never truly questioned.

Originally posted by Tholidor

One question that has bothered me, however, is the translation of "numerous 10-45's. Code 1" Since "10 Codes" are far from standardized from one department to another, does anyone have a copy of the FDNY 10-Codes in use on 9/11/01? Within the context of the transmission, it would almost seem that the code refers somehow to the fires themselves, rather than the initiation of a new subject (i.e. bodies). But that is just subjective on my part.

FDNY 10-Codes
Last Update: Mon Feb 12 16:16:21 EST 1996

10-45 D.O.A. OR SERIOUS INJURY
Transmitted IMMEDIATELY upon the discovery of a fatality
or serious injury at a fire or emergency. This shall be
followed as soon as possible with the appropriate Code
and the number of victims.

CODE 1 Victim Deceased

www.panix.com...

I was under the impression that 10-45's were bodies.

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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I have nothing to gain from anything else you have to say here so I most certainly will ignore it.

Another shinning moment with the truth movement. You have nothing to gain...you are correct. You are married to a conspiracy theory. No amount of facts will divorce you from your fantasy. That, sir, is a shame. Yet not unexpected.

Once again, your post contributed nothing to this thread.

Originally posted by Tholidor

(look it up"Imapecker")

Also, why don't the MODS uphold their own TOS and ban the obvious troublemakers? (rhetorical question..LOL)

Well, we agree on one thing!

does anyone have a copy of the FDNY 10-Codes in use on 9/11/01? Within the context of the transmission, it would almost seem that the code refers somehow to the fires themselves, rather than the initiation of a new subject (i.e. bodies). But that is just subjective on my part.

The link to the FDNY was given several pages ago that confirms the are deaths.

Wow, that's the quickest I've ever seen a thread with important information be absolutely SH*T upon and dragged into the gutter. Well done to those who kept their head and didn't rise to the bait

Originally posted by ImAPepper

I for one don't believe you're disinfo I'm pretty sure they would only employ someone who can form convincing arguments (and without making everyone else put them on 'ignore')

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Originally posted by ImAPepper
Another shinning moment with the truth movement. You have nothing to gain...you are correct. You are married to a conspiracy theory. No amount of facts will divorce you from your fantasy. That, sir, is a shame. Yet not unexpected.

Once again, your post contributed nothing to this thread.

You post solely on the topic of 9/11. There is not one other subject represented in your post history. I have yet to see you post ANY facts ever about anything.

what that video doesn't show is anything associated with level 75 or above.
the levels where there was most of the fires, the deforming of steel, the damage caused by the plane.

what it does show is that there was fires at the lower levels also, which would most likely mean started from burning debris falling to those levels from above, liquid fuel from the plane seeping through the floors, flowing down elevator shafts, stairwells or acess tunnels made for the electrical wiring, pipes or air ducts.

maybe the fires weren't as large as the ones above but still this doesn't mean that these isolated fires didn't pose no danger or help to contibute to the buildings eventual collapse.

small fires can grow quite easily into large fires and in a very short space of time.

reply to post by redgy

The buildings all fell symmetrically.An actual airliner that hit off center if it caused the collapse due to even forces would have made the building fall over,NOT STRAIGHT DOWN.You know that.Why did the transmission end when it did is the only real question.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


BoneZ, I did you the favour of watching the entire video.

I find many of the conclusions drawn to be, ummm....somewhat of a stretch.

'redgy' on page six of this thread hits a few points that stuck out to me, too.

From what I heard, early on (I didn't take notes, so this from memory) referred to "Stairwell Boy". Also, later, they say 'Adam" in reference to another. Those ore obviously the phonetic codes the FDNY use, different fromteh aviation terms. )Later, one FF says "B" quite clearly)>

Using that info, and the floor they were on when reporting, you can look at the design drawings to get a visual impression of the layout and placement, correct?

Also, at first blush after hearing it, the "small pockets of fire" description would appear to mean that is what they saw INSIDE the stairwells. This is stunning info, and might tend to discount the claim by the Ret. USAF (forgot his name) narrator that the stairwells were 'intact', or whatever term he used. You're familar with building codes, I think? Isn't it code that all stairwell doors be fireproof (or at least resistant)???

I mean, at one point a FF says he "can't get past" the fires, so that implies they were IN the stairwell.

Also, stuck elevators?? Narrator early says elevators are working (he tends to imply that, anyway...(maybe he qualified it as "Up to the 40th floor") but it would seem that if there was shaft damage at higher levels, that would indicate damage, or at the very least, mis-alignment problems to the central core, where the elevators were.

Finally, and I'm not done asking questions yet, all the insinuation that the fires weren't that bad doesn't seem to take into account the realization that fire tends to burn upwards!!!



Here's just one visual I'll include in this post:



Can you provide others?

UAL 175 impacted the South Tower (WTC 2) causing the damge to stretch from between Floor 77 up to Floor 85.

We've all seen how the airplane hit off-center. Were those brave firefighters in a stairwell diagonally opposite the corner where the airplane struck?

Hoping you can fill in some details.

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by redgy

 

The buildings all fell symmetrically.An actual airliner that hit off center if it caused the collapse due to even forces would have made the building fall over,NOT STRAIGHT DOWN.You know that.

Why did the transmission end when it did is the only real question.

You know what I find disturbing is this. The facts are getting completely jumbled. Check out these two different websites and see for yourself.

The last two minutes of the transmission were either classified, intentionally omitted or the transmission was jammed.

So if the transmission was jammed ask yourself why that would be.

Reports of Event Time and Duration

The NIST Report gives the onset of the events as follows:

South Tower: 09:58:59 AM
North Tower: 10:28:22 AM

911research.wtc7.net...

The FDNY 9/11 Documents - Audio Download & Resources

10:05 a.m. - One World Trade Center -- the north tower -- collapses.
10:28 a.m. - Two World Trade Center -- the south tower -- collapses.

www.firehouse.com...

If you listen to this tape from Manhattan fire dispatch, 1/2 way through the tape you can listen to the reports of the south tower (Tower 2) exploding. The tape is labelled the north tower collapse. The time is wrong and the tower number is wrong.

Manhattan Fire Dispatch (First Due)
The North Tower collapses. (10:05a)

www.RadioFirehouse.com...

Mass casualties

MASCAL drill

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/78c04dcbec74.jpg[/atsimg]

A plane crash is simulated inside the cardboard courtyard of a surprisingly realistic-looking model Pentagon. This "tabletop" exercise was designed to help emergency relief personnel better prepare for disasters when they occur.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

"HAVE THEM MOBILIZE THE ARMY. WE NEED THE ARMY IN MANHATTEN."

www.RadioFirehouse.com...

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reply to post by trueforger

...due to even forces would have made the building fall over,NOT STRAIGHT DOWN.

I believe you meant to write "uneven" there --- no worries, happens to me all the time.

But, you seem so SURE of that claim. Why? Based on what information?

And, did you mean to imply that the whole building would have fallen over? Surely, you didn't meant that. Did you mean just the top portion? Far from me to put words in your mouth, so if you can clear that up, it'd be peachy.

I really hate to see incorrect memes floating about on the internet...that is, without a challenge by logic.


AS TO the 'falling over' idea....I have often wondered if that was the hope of Atta as his ghouls. I've read that Atta had a degree in structural engineering, so maybe he knew better --- or maybe not. (I will stop there, because I could write something that will get me into trouble, methinks).

Reason that has come to me is because of the height he hit. _BoneZ_? You out there?

IF Atta wished a collapse, as fast as possible, he would have planned a lower hit, leaving less time for evacuations (and trapping more in the floors above the damaged sections). I would think his (their) intent was to maximize casualities. Of course, it would have been far, far more horrific had he been able to cause the Tower to keel over, but I'm told that that is actually not a liklihood, based on physics and engineering principles.

Like, in this case of a botched CD:




Funny, building didn't fall over!!! Weird, huh?