The Final Minutes of the South Tower - The flaming inferno

reply to post by ImAPepper


I have just spent some time looking through your replies, you know what, you really have a problem in not letting an OP explain his position. I have been coming to ATS for a couple of years now, and when I see guys like you putting this spin onto everything they read actually really pisses me off... your avatar suits you mate, I bet you had a real crap life at school....

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Who said the Jet Fuel Destroying all 110 Floors?

It would only take One Floor to drop and It's game over.
And the Planes went in at 45 degrees to take out as many floors as
possible. So pieces of those floors would have already dropped cracking
the floors below. There could not have been much holding up the remaining floors.
Adding to that, the Plane severed almost one side of building, nothing was holding
that side upwards Up. It was Inevitable.

I have not been aware of WTC1's "falling on" Building 7 before, as this obnoxious truther-hater asserted in his last post.
Does the official version actually say that WTC1 "fell on" WTC7?

It appears to me from the videos I just googled that the top of Building 7
was quite unharmed right up to its collapse.
Then again, maybe I am naive.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

Watch the dialogue on this:
style="height: 344px; width: 425px"> "http://www.youtube.com/v/SIbqaybkbWI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344">

Sorry, here's the u tube site code - interesting conversation in the background, clearly audible:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by MilzGatez


I live/work in New Jersey - just few miles west of NYC

On September 11 watched the towers burn and collapse - people on the floor above watched the planes slam into buildings and told us

Got out work early because of it - spent remaining day in my firehouse in NJ listening to radio transmissions from the scene

Several people I know worked in WTC 7, all got out safe

Where I get my information ? I talk to members of the FDNY/NYPD?PORT
AUTHORITY. Attend seminars where the instructors are FDNY chiefs who were the incident commanders that day.

I take it you get your information watching Youtube?

Nice video _BZ_....S&F....

I'm really getting tired of this lie being passed off as truth...

Anyone with even half a brain can see that 9-11 was an inside job!

reply to post by Kokatsi


Perhaps should read this

Accounts from FDNY men who were there

sites.google.com...

Very few photos/video exist of WTC 7 - especially that of the south side where the damage/fires were the worse

Here is series of video from Steve Spak, a NY fire photographer, its it only
know video of south face. Much of the building is obscured from smoke

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

whoops - wrong link of Steve Spak videos

www.911myths.com...

Originally posted by skeptic_al
There could not have been much holding up the remaining floors.
Adding to that, the Plane severed almost one side of building, nothing was holding that side upwards Up. It was Inevitable.

So why didnt the building tip over? If nothing was holding that side up it would tip in that direction would it not?

Thank you.

I haven't seen this before...
WTC used to be my favorite hangout whenever I visited New York.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Okay. Since I am accused of trolling... and not seeing the evidence, I watched this 11 minute disgusting piece of horse manure.

Oh boy, this is too funny to pass up here. Why would anyone take a person that says things like this seriously about anything?

"Since I am accused of trolling... and not seeing the evidence, I watched this..."

Right, you finally looked at the evidence because it bothered you that you were accused of not watching it?

My sides hurt. You would be on ignore for this thread alone if you were not so funny.

I just really want to point out that this is getting all too familiar. This person posts in a thread 2 minutes after it is posted, commenting on an 11 minute video and then trolls for pages before whining about having to actually look at what he has been addressing. This is not an isolated problem in these threads by a long shot and this is not an isolated poster behavior either. It is really getting sad to watch for both real discussion, the truth, ATS, and humanity in some cases.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by ImAPepper


“Condemnation without investigation is the hight of ignorance.”

Albert Einstein.

First of all, I would like to explain my initial behavior regarding my first post. Yes, I did not feel compelled to watch another AE911 Truth Video. So far, they have all been less than accurate. I did, however decide to watch it and take several notes while watching. I posted a response to this video with several points made backed up with facts.

I read about 2-3 pages since my last post with nothing but members here complaining about my avatar (I can't believe you guys don't know who McLovin is) I am getting U2U's from members calling me a dis info specialist, a shill, and the typical names. No biggie.

So far, no one has presented a rebuttal to my list of items I found in the video to be incorrect. So, I would like to get this thread back on topic for _Bonez_ who started this thread.

So, again. the Major presented "facts" for us on the video. I listed all of them and found issue with several of them.

1. Fireman were working throughout the building.

They never reached the point of impact. (they got to were the lower wing tip impacted- not as much damage or fire.) This is why the entire video is misleading. They never reached more severely damaged areas.

2. Battalion 7 was on the 79th floor

Yes, I believe they were in the stairwell.

3. Battalion 15 was on the 78th floor

Yes, they were

4. Alpha 7 reached the 55th floor.

yes, they did well below the impact of the plane.

5. Rescue teams encountered only small isolated pockets of fire.

There is no where in their communications where the word "small" was used. Isolated and pocket does not mean small. We will also look into where they were in regards to where the plane impacted the South tower. - Bonez and I disagree with this. "Small" was not used during the interactions the firefighters were having. Again, they were in the 78th floor that is a sky lobby where the ceilings were quite high and not much combustible materials.

6. Rescue Workers were finding numerous wounded survivors.

It is true. But, what I find disingenuous is how the Major failed to mention the numerous deaths that were reported as well:

"numerous 10-45's code 1".

- Chief Orio Palmer
For those of you that don't know, a 10-45 code 1 is a dead person.

7. The structure of the tower was not melted or deformed.

Melted? This is another pathetic attempt to play the melted steel game. We all know the steel was not melted.

In regards to deformities of the structure:

Even as people streamed down the stairs, the cracks were appearing in the walls as the building shuddered and cringed. Steam pipes burst, and at one point an elevator door burst open and a man fell out, half burned alive, his skin hanging off. People dragged him out of the elevator and helped get him out of the building to the doctors below. "If I had listened to the announcement," says survivor Joan Feldman, "I'd be dead right now."

78th floor
Kelly Reyher, AON Corporation: The elevator split at the seams, the floor blew up. You could just sort of look right through the corner of the elevator into the elevator shaft and it was just all fire.

So I was able to crawl out. And then when I crawled out you just saw an absolute scene of destruction. Across from me, because when you crawl out you're facing the other elevator bank, they were completely destroyed. There was fire just shooting out those

source: "Accounts From the South Tower" The New York Times, May 26, 2002

77th floor
Somewhere around the 77th floor, the stairway walls were cracked, and you could look through the cracks and see flames. They were just quietly licking up, not a roaring inferno. And there was some smoke there, but again I think the stairs were pressurized, pushing the air out so we had less smoke in the stairway than you might imagine.

-Brian Clark

8. Rescue Workers were climbing on un-compromised staircases

As you can see above from the survivors, the stairwells were compromised. In FACT, in this very transmission at about the 8:18 mark of the YouTube Video, there were firefighters fighting a fire in the B - Stairwell:

Orio we are here on 78 but we are in the b stair we're trapped in here we've got to put some fire out to get to you............. All right, we are going to knock down some fire here in the "B" stair and we will meet up with you
- Joseph Leavey

9. Elevators were in use up the 40th floor.

Yes, until you listen at the 9:33 of the video:
Stuck in the elevator in the elevator shaft, we're chopping through the wall to get out.

So, as you see, this video presented by AE For 911 Truth had a quite dishonest agenda: To present the fires at the South Tower as small and manageable and to show the damage to the tower was not as severe as we all were reported as have been.

Let's attempt an on topic discussion regarding this video. I will do my best to play nice.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by ImAPepper]

reply to post by ImAPepper


Listen to the video ImaPepper/
the firefighters are listed. That is not the point anyway.......are you
having difficulty because this is not the point. The point is that there
was no way the building could have collapsed by the fire(s) as stated by
the official investigation. IF that would have been the case...the command would have pulled the numerous companies involved and let the building fall since it was hopeless. As shown the command thought there was chance of saving people hurt in the building.

Originally posted by speaknoevil07
Listen to the video ImaPepper/

I have listened/watched it twice. I have listened to the FDNY tapes several times in the past.

are you having difficulty because this is not the point. The point is that there was no way the building could have collapsed by the fire(s) as stated by the official investigation.

There are a 100 different threads here discussing the collapses. This thread is to discuss the YouTube video presented in the OP and with BONEZ statement:

Yet we're led to believe that the "isolated pockets of fire" reported by the firefighters and evidenced by all available images and video, are what brought 3 steel-structured highrises down, completely and totally, for the first time in history.

So, lets discuss the video and the fires. That is what the OP is about.

Click here to learn more about this warning.

Originally posted by Phake
Must agree with ImAPepper here...
I call this BS.

This is nothing. N o t h i n g
Photoshoped or something worse. I dont know, dont have time to read, gotta debunk something else. Give us some real evidence! Prefer CNN.

Else its BS!

What are you talking about?
How can the audio be photoshoped?
You have no idea of what the video is about and no idea of what people have posted. You should be banned.

From what the Firemen were saying in the audio, it seems as there were a few fires that could be controlled, at the end of the audio they control one of the fires and are able to move on.
On the video of the beam bent in a U shape, the only way that it can be bent without it cracking on the outside is if it was glowing red hot. I don't know the temperature but I do know that regular fire doesn't do it, you would have to use torches to do it. I have no idea how the inside of the U shape is not wrinkled, the metal that was compressed has to go somewhere. A cold bending would have made the outside crack and you would still get the wrinkles in the inside. I have no idea how it happened and I would fail to reproduce it in both cases. If someone here knows how to do it, without having to grind or form the inside, let me know.

Edit: I also have a question. Does anyone know if there were opened gas lines (for heating, cooking,..) or if the gas main to the building was closed. If there was fire ignighted by the gas then I could see how the beams would get hot but I am unsure if it would get hot enough to glow.


[edit on 7-3-2010 by Elieser]

Originally posted by TinFoilBat

Originally posted by skeptic_al
There could not have been much holding up the remaining floors.
Adding to that, the Plane severed almost one side of building, nothing was holding that side upwards Up. It was Inevitable.

So why didnt the building tip over? If nothing was holding that side up it would tip in that direction would it not?

Don't know, simple.
It did have a slight lean.

reply to post by ImAPepper


Why would you copy and paste debunked stuff from a previous page?

Originally posted by ImAPepper
There is no where in their communications where the word "small" was used. Isolated and pocket does not mean small.

Doesn't it?

"Pocket" definition provided by The Free Dictionary:

A small baglike attachment

A small sack or bag.

A small cavity in the earth

A small body or accumulation

A small, isolated, or protected area or group

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Melted? This is another pathetic attempt to play the melted steel game. We all know the steel was not melted.

No, you want to believe the steel wasn't melted because it goes against your blind-faith OS beliefs, but you've already been proven wrong HERE, just like I proved you wrong with your definition above.


Copy and pasting from a different post, and even wrong/debunked stuff at that, amounts to spamming and knowingly spreading mis/disinformation which goes against ATS's T&C.

Please, stop posting. You're making yourself look ridiculously foolish.