The Final Minutes of the South Tower - The flaming inferno

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The buildings were found to be safe against an impact at 600mph

they were? Who smashed a plane at 600mph into them.... oh, it was just another "truther" lie.

Who's peddling conspiracy fantasies again?

You and other "truthers" are!

reply to post by ImAPepper


" ANY inappropriate comments, insults, topic derailment, or trolling will result in immediate posting ban or account termination.

We've received an overwhelming number of member complaints since the topic of "TV Fakery" splashed on the ATS scene a few days ago. Most of the member complaints are dealing with the trollish nature of the new member(s) promoting these theories, and a handful of supporting characters.

When participating with the members of AboveTopSecret.com, there are certain standards of conduct and cooperation that are not simply expected, they are demanded.

We seem to be among several sites targeted by a recently formed "9/11 Research" group who espouses a particularly provocative theory of "no planes at the WTC" and "TV Fakery."What we (staff and memebrs) have noticed about this group is that their individuals engage in what they hope is an IMPENETRABLE approach in debating. They appear to have have no REAL interest in defending or discussing their theories. Instead they use provocative ideas and inflammatory language ("shills" for example) to bait people into extended debates filled with intentionally frustrating diversions, insults and accusation. Their activity in ATS threads prove they are disinterested in fact, reason, logic, or evidence while attempting to portray themselves as passionately convinced of their own highly questionable positions. "


Just wanted to make Sure you got the Message ..............Noncompliance is Futile ......

Please let me start by saying, I will NEVER believe the OS of 911. And through research and sites like these, I have actually gotten a lot of my friends to "rethink" 911........most of which DID believe the OS. But I have to say, this video is rediculous. It makes us "Truthers" look like idiots. I watched it and thought, omg, this makes us look like morons.

I am all for a new investigation, and I am all about this being an inside job, but as pepper whatever pointed out in his posts on page two or so....this video is nothing but grasping at straws. I figured that out in the first 30 seconds. I would never show this video to any of my still skeptical friends. It's truly a piece of trash and should be banned by all "truthers".

Let's find some better evidence please!

Originally posted by Cowgirlstraitup7

I would never show this video to any of my still skeptical friends. It's truly a piece of trash and should be banned by all "truthers".

I'm curious to know why you think so.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Great video and OP. I never heard these tapes before in the context of the firefighters doing a great job in very tough conditions. Heroes...
This is daming evidence that fire didn't weakened the supports. The OS is falling fast...
When we get the truth out of people, there will be Hell to pay...

Imapepper is very worried by this...

Apparnatly an off tpoic rant?? sorry folks......

[edit on 7-3-2010 by andy1972]

I've read many of the 9-11 threads and this trend of outward hatred and name calling from both sides is getting really old.

9-11 is a passionate subject and both sides need to take a step back and realize that both groups are just as passionate about their viewpoint as the other.

Trusters are fed up trying to explain and rehash the what they believe based on the evidence and facts they have researched so their frustration comes out as insulting.

Truthers feel the same and anyone who disagrees with their understanding hasn't done the research or is blind.

All evidence put forth should be watched or read, your agreements and or disagreements stated in a civil manner.

We are all guilty of this no matter the side but as soon as people stop the bickering and personal insults maybe we could actually accomplish something.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by drock905]

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Poof, no more super annoying, weird looking, mind freaky, infantile, puerile, mean spirited, ignomaneous PHOTO.

Anyway OP, I have never trusted my government, who would?

To question ones government is the basis of our system of government.

I watched the video and found it to be spooky.

I have stayed away from the Truth Posts because I know the largest troll percentage would be here. God, and I thought my forte of political banter was bad.

For those that trust their government, do you not study history?

Back to the OP, I have dealt with fireman for a longtime in my position as a super in construction. I have seen them rush into a place that had a gas leak that was streaming from a 2" main line damage. I could smell it from blocks away.

Brave sonsabitches. God love and Bless them.

[edit on 3/7/2010 by endisnighe]

The moment i understood ImAPepper is discussing a post he did not read he landed on my ignore list. There are very very few users there, i usually do not ignore anyone but this fact and his annoying avatar gave me all i needed.
ImAPepper you have no respect, no good intentions, its insulting just to reed your posts.
ImAPepper YOU ARE NOW INVISIBLE.

Regarding the video; this is just one more video with information and facts we already knew, the 9.11 issue is no more a question of prooving facts, it is about how long the us people are going to do nothing about it. THEY will never ever pay unless you get REALLY mad.
Stop the wars your gov is involved in, bring your men back and let them take care of the real enemy. These people will not be imprisoned or judged by any court no matter how much evidence we bring up.
How much can you take?
The land of freedom...yeah sure.

reply to post by thedman


double post

[edit on 7-3-2010 by The Baby Seal Club]

reply to post by thedman


Well edman, dereks, and (ahem!) imapepper. I take it from your stance that it wouldn't bother you to have an independent investigation into 9/11?

After all, an independent investigation would allow you to verify your belief in the 9/11 commission story. So what do you say; would you sign a petition asking for an independent investigation of 9/11?

It definitely wouldn't hurt your opinion...or...?

After spending the last 20 minutes watching the video and reading this thread I felt I needed to reply.

First off, I would like to thank the OP for the video it opens up an avenue of debate and discussion...but perhaps not for this forum.

I am appalled at the level of decorum and language used by some people posting. Whether you don't agree or not, why can't you simply debate in a civilised and intelligent manner?

We should not forget that respect should be shown to the people and the familys that have been affected by this atrocity and quite frankly i am disgusted at the level shown.

reply to post by thedman


Great post..... its very straight forward......

thedman. you really seem to know the WTC in and out........ let me ask you, Where are you from? How many times have you gone to the Towers?... I was born here in New York City, live in and out from the city... and only been to the Towers once and that was from the outside when I was younger and among like many other New Yorkers that you know actually were born and live/lived in the city havent gone in the Towers unless they worked in there, or around there, gone to school around there or made food or other deliveries in the building

so dont even lie about it just to make yourself seem like you been there many times and know the layout in and out, searching for blueprints and information isnt the same as to actually being in it...

I used to go to school downtown, only 15-20 blocks radius from the Towers, I knew students that had family in the towers,,, I remember that morning very clearly on Sept. 11th., I was right on the sidewalk watching all these cop cars,fire trucks,etc just rushing by to get to the towers .. so enough with the bullcrap

and as far as dereks, ImAPepper and as well thedman seem like the same ignorant person trying to pull of their bullcrap... i'm out and i'm done.the truth will come out,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Out with the old America and In with the New America... but first we have to help out the blind to get their sight to see the truth

[edit on 7-3-2010 by MilzGatez]

I have only this to say on the matter -

THE ONLY THREE STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS TO FALL IN THE HISTORY OF CIVIL ENGINEERING DUE TO FIRE WHERE WHICH BUILDINGS????

YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS...you´ve guessed it..


NOW THATS WHAT YOU CALL BAD LUCK, thats of course if your not Alan Silverstein



[edit on 7-3-2010 by andy1972]

reply to post by andy1972

Andy Man your picture isn't loading.
For what it's worth.Now I go play in the mud.Outside.Beats being a one minute to go about to be dead fireman stuck at the 78 th floor wondering about the explosions going off all up and down...Can you hear me now!!!

reply to post by trueforger


Crap....i works from here dude...
Anyway, if ya all havent guessed by now, and the link doesnt work...the answers are .........drum rollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll............

WORLD TRADE CENTER 1
WORLD TRADE CENTER 2
WORLD TRADE CENTER 7

Yes the only three steel framed buildings to fall by cause of fire....HOW BIZARRE IS THAT....
Almost as bizarre as Alan Silverstein taking out insurance policies that paid DOUBLE INDEMNITY if damaged by terrorist attack.....BIIZZZAAARRREEE.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by andy1972]

Why are you guys continuing to argue with these people that (according to you) are trying to derail the thread?



Here are my thoughts on the subject....

Each person is entitled to their own opinions. Each person is also entitled to state their case. Now, the OP started this thread and stated his case. Whether or not I agree with his case against or for the OS, he's got a right to post it. Likewise, if someone wants to come here and state their case against the OP, they also have the right to do so. It's called discussion. You might agree or disagree with the OP, but must accept the fact that he is afforded the right to post his case, which the OP has done.


Now...


State your case, for or against the OP, back it up with evidence (remember, evidence is not always proof) and move on. You serve no purpose here by name-calling, or intentionally trying to "derail" a thread.


Each side has the right to post here as long as it is a civil discussion. I am so sick and tired of reading threads like this (so that I can learn more about the events on that day) only to be interrupted by people that have nothing better to do than come here and name-call, prejudge, and simply slander those posting. That goes for BOTH sides of this discussion.

Keep it clean, keep it civil, and if you do not like what the other has to say, simply ignore it. Just because someone came here to discredit you does not give you the right to lash out at them.

Also, if they came here to simply discredit you or what you have to say, it does not mean that your post is garbage, and it does not mean that your information is false. People believe what they believe.

Truth is truth, no matter what form it might take. I urge all of you to calm down, take a breath, count to ten, do whatever you have to do to keep this civil.



OK, so as far as the original post is concerned...

You've stated your case, and whether I agree with it or not, I respect your views. I enjoyed the post, and I enjoyed the video. I am not convinced 100% that 9/11 was an inside job, but I give you my respect for presenting me with evidence.

(remember, evidence is not always proof)

[edit on 7-3-2010 by Semus]

Originally posted by andy1972
WORLD TRADE CENTER 1
WORLD TRADE CENTER 2

Both damaged when airliners hit them, and the fire was not fought...

WORLD TRADE CENTER 7

Rather severely damaged when WTC1 fell on it, unchecked fires burrnt for hours....

Yes the only three steel framed buildings to fall by cause of fire....HOW BIZARRE IS THAT

So what other steel framed buildings had airliners hit them?

Almost as bizarre as Alan Silverstein taking out insurance policies that paid DOUBLE INDEMNITY if damaged by terrorist attack.....

Truther lie again www.911myths.com...

Originally posted by dereks


Both damaged when airliners hit them, and the fire was not fought...


Rather severely damaged when WTC1 fell on it, unchecked fires burrnt for hours....

Do you have evidence to back this up?

Now, take your time, think about the question before you answer. I am not here to discredit you, and I'm not here to call you names. But, you made two statements without posting evidence.

If you do have this evidence, I'll gladly here you out and will take that evidence into consideration and come to my own conclusions. Remember, you won't convince everyone with your evidence.

I respect your views, and you have the right to discuss this just like everyone in this thread, so I hope to hear what evidence you have for or against the OS. Moreover, I hope to hear what evidence you have for or against the OP.

Now, in this post I have said nowhere that I am for or against the OS, so please keep that in mind before you respond.