I KNEW this was going to happen, sooner or later!!!

reply to post by Kevin R Brown

What most 'truthers' want is attention.

Looks like you’re the one getting all the attention in here, don’t you think?

I am always looking for the truth to 911 and I can assure you that I am not the lest bit interested in getting attention.
You do not speak for the Truth-movement.

The 9/11 Troof movement list jams it's thumbs in it's ears and turns away,

Perhaps some do but again I can assure you not everyone jams their thumbs in their ears and turns away.
Again, you do not speak for the Truth-movement.

because the evidence of the situation doesn't conform to their ridiculous conspiracy.

Again some might, but not all of them, care to prove your statements by using credible sources and not well known disinformation websites like the ones you posted below?

www.lolloosechange.co.nr...

A well known disinformation website.

Frequently Stupid Theories
The purpose of this document is to provide a rebuttal to the most common theories raised by 9/11 Deniers in either verbal debates or message boards. Simply refer any 9/11 Denier spammers to this page in order for them to properly shut up. This document was written by me.
www.lolinfowars.co.nr...

Here is an example of how the author of this website gives his “opinions” to try to discredit people who are interested in the truth.
The website is strictly a tool for people who support the OS nonsense and it gives the OS believers tools to attack other alternative ideas.

The website is as credible as the National Enquire.
Notice how the author attacks Truthers by “name calling” (9/11 Deniers) very immature and not professionally presented. That alone should tell you to stay clear.

If it doesn't come right out of the mouth of Alex Jones or another troofer, it's just gotta be 'misinformation';

I will agree with you, about Alex Jones, but not the rest of your statement.
Not all Truthers are lairs, as you are trying to make them out to be.
You are trying to lump all Truthers as to being like Alex Jones, you do not speak for the Truth movement, nor do you understand the movement.
BTW, the word “troofer” is unacceptable and has a negative connotation, please use the word properly in it correct form, Truther.

Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Good ole dave, I have seen you attack everyone who supports the truth or questions the lies that we have been told.

Questioning the higher ups is what makes this country.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - e. Burke

As you can see, we are not going to do nothing, we will not let evil triumph no matter how long they stay and litter forums with their hate.

Are you saying that we should expect more of this and that you may be involved?

This post coupled with the premise of this thread makes this conspiracy theorist paranoid smells like bait to me.

Is it just me or are the plants just getting sloppy

Can someone please tell me why there are 17 members of a conspiriacy website that agreed with this garbage enough to flag it?

I think that's 17 government worms.






[edit on 7-3-2010 by constantwonder]

Originally posted by jprophet420

All I said was some crackpot who supported these conspriacy stories shot two cops, and added some criticism to the conspiracy stories that drove him into doing this.

Now, here's a pop quiz, to determine right away whether you people are part of the solution, or part of the problem- When you read about this guy, are you...

a) ...horrified at how fringe crackpots like this are seeing what they want to see in these conspriacy stories and are getting the dangerous idea to take matters into their own hands?

-or-

b) ...convinced this is "evidence" of yet ANOTHER conspiracy and/or coverup and the secret world order is framing him (or even staging this themselves) as a disinformation campaign to discredit the rest of you truthers?

You tried to pigeon hole every single person into one of those two categories and couldn't remember that from the OP until now, or chose to ignore it. Either is the sign of a terrible poster.

Yes well... apparently Ol' Psychic Dave has a "damned fool" pigeonhole "fetish."

So what are you gonna do?

Originally posted by jprophet420
Nope, not even close. You have to present a clear and present danger. If you don't tell them to do it you aren't liable.

The Southern Poverty Law Center's successful lawsuit against the United Klans of America shows your interpretation of the law is wrong. The UKA never said, "go out and murder the first black kid you come across", either, but they DID give their members a non-stop diet of carefully edited propaganda that instigated the hatred that caused some of their members to go out and murder the first black kid they came across. Change "hatred for blacks" to "paranoia that the gov't is constantly plotting to murder us all" and this is literally the same thing Loose Change, Prison Planet, etc are doing.

Just becuase you personally don't like a fact, it in no way means that the fact is incorrect.

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
This is going to shock you, so I hope you're sitting down. The solution to get rid of all these crackpot conspiracy stories and the con artists behind all these conspiracy web sites is simple- have more investigations.

Which ironically is what most 9/11 truthers want.

No, that is NOT what most 9/11 truthers want. All you need to do is read the screwball claims, accusations, and hallucinations being posted here to see that what they want is an investigation that certifies what they themselves want to believe. They've build for themselves such a convoluted world of circular logic where secret plots lurk within gov't conspiracies that revolve around gov't disinformation agents that they will accept NO investigation that doesn't jive with their own conspiracy claims. They'll simply brush it off as "yet another coverup".

The reason is obvious- most "9/11 truthers" aren't getting their information from the investigations. They're getting their information from those damned fool conspiracy web sites who are going to be pushing out this nonsense regardless of how above board any investigation is. I invite you to prove me wrong- did YOU ever read the 9/11 commission report or even the NIST report?

These "damned fool websites", like the one you are on, are merely facilitators of conversation. If you don't like them, do not visit them.

ATS is not a conspiracy web site, per se. It's more of a conspiracy clearing house where people supporting practically every conspiracy there is as well as their critics can come and have their say. When I say "conspiracy web sites" I'm referring to the sites whose mission statement is to promote a specific in-house conspiracy theory at the expense of the truth, such as Loose Change. I say this becuase when I went to the Loose Change discussion boards to discuss the flaws in their documentary, I was banned in three weeks. The moderators specifically said in their YOU ARE BANNED message to me that it wasn't becuase I was beign rude or insultive, btu becuase they didn't appreciate the information I was providing. I was lucky- anyone posting "no planes" conspriacy claims there gets banned immediately.

So please explain to me how these 9/11 conspiracy web sites are "facilitators of honest conversation" since I haven't seen any such thing yet.

It's not ok regardless of what the guy chooses to believe. One belief over another as a murder motivator is not somehow "better"

If you would review the news story that this thread is all about, you'll see that it's not the conspiracy critics who you need to be telling this to.

Originally posted by constantwonder
This post coupled with the premise of this thread makes this conspiracy theorist paranoid

smells like bait to me.

Is it just me or are the plants just getting sloppy

Can someone please tell me why there are 17 members of a conspiriacy website that agreed with this garbage enough to flag it?

I think that's 17 government worms.

So let me get this straight...in one moment you're griping that I'm accusing conspiracy theorists of being paranoid, and not even one sentence later, you're accusing me of being a secret government agent sent to ATS to trick you with disinformation. Is this really what you mean to say?!?

Good grief, I might as well be talking to the wall.

Critics of the Iraq War are right: it doesn't matter how many troops we send to destroy terrorism. We won't succeed. And the reason why is because we are not willing to wage the power in our possession. Instead we turn against ourselves, which is exactly what foreign powers want us to. If you believe this is just anarchistic backfire against any Admin., you're wrong. Europe is the first to go: Islamic fundamentalism (diversity), unsustainable economies (Social Democracy), civil impotence (individualism) and anti-Americanism (ego neurosis).

The West is in decline because it attacks the principles and institutions that build sustainable civilizations: family structures, civil responsibility, self-confident cultural traditions, thriving free economies, flexible military power and reverence for the environment. What we've got left is an empty shell, kept alive through increasingly larger but impotent governments, fit for nothing more than to send troops and then apologize for doing it. Our enemies can smell that hypocritical weakness and therefore cease their chance to infiltrate, mock and overthrow our public culture.

In America the number of people buying into 9/11 conspiracy theories comprise a mainstream movement:

In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of Pax Americana.

The population of world No. 2 is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

Instead of believing in ourselves, our society and our culture, we choose dogmatic theories created to undermine our very existence. What is happening right now is the following: the public mistrusts both itself and society. In the mean time, we're being outbred, outbombed and outsourced by people who'd like to see us serve under their rule. The public's right--there's a conspiracy set out to destroy the West. And it's orchestrated by the crowd.

It's safe to throw conspiracy theories around, because what you in fact do is casting the blame on a group without stating any facts whatsoever. It's a rhetorical move, but it doesn't impress me, nor anyone else whose IQ is equal to or above Western European standard. Instead of taking a handful of positive visions and at least making some of them reality, paranoid men regard themselves as victims of a group more successful than them. It's a mind-game: I can't beat X, so I'll keep saying X keeps me from doing good, therefore I have a moral argument against why I'm not doing good. Don't be fooled by this; it is laziness camouflaged as insight. Powerless people are sometimes sad, but powerless people who try to convert others to their cause is a societal problem. Cut them off.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

No, that is NOT what most 9/11 truthers want.

Funny, cause what 90% of the truthers spout happens to be: "We need a new investigation", so now you are saying they don't want it because it wouldn't sit right with your worldview.

All you need to do is read the screwball claims, accusations, and hallucinations being posted here to see that what they want is an investigation that certifies what they themselves want to believe.

I could say something very similar about OS believers. There are very powerful reasons people choose to believe things. Are there people who believe 9/11 was an inside job for emotional reasons? Certainly. There are also plenty of people who believe the OS because that helps them sleep better at night. You know this swings either way and you won't win that argument.

They've build for themselves such a convoluted world of circular logic where secret plots lurk within gov't conspiracies that revolve around gov't disinformation agents that they will accept NO investigation that doesn't jive with their own conspiracy claims. They'll simply brush it off as "yet another coverup".

And? There will always be people who never buy it. What do you suggest we do? Lock them all up, ban the interwebz, sue everyone else who says something you don't like? You could just ignore these people. Considering the amount of violence they commit as calculated by another member is less than one tenth of a percent, I'm fairly certain you don't have a lot to worry about.

I invite you to prove me wrong- did YOU ever read the 9/11 commission report or even the NIST report?

Yes, I have. Assume much?

When I say "conspiracy web sites" I'm referring to the sites whose mission statement is to promote a specific in-house conspiracy theory at the expense of the truth, such as Loose Change. I say this becuase when I went to the Loose Change discussion boards to discuss the flaws in their documentary, I was banned in three weeks. The moderators specifically said in their YOU ARE BANNED message to me that it wasn't becuase I was beign rude or insultive, btu becuase they didn't appreciate the information I was providing. I was lucky- anyone posting "no planes" conspriacy claims there gets banned immediately.

Their board, their rules. Learn to read the T&C's before you sign on. There are plenty of boards for you to go and express your opinions. That's what free speech is about. unless of course you are just advocating we do away with that archaic concept?

So please explain to me how these 9/11 conspiracy web sites are "facilitators of honest conversation" since I haven't seen any such thing yet.

Cute, you added a word I did not type. I never said "honest" conversation. I said conversation. I don't care what kind it is in general. There is nothing criminal about 9/11 conversations. Unless of course you would like to see that happen.

If you would review the news story that this thread is all about, you'll see that it's not the conspiracy critics who you need to be telling this to.

You didn't get the point. This is what you said:

There will always be crackpots who are thoroughly convinced that the gov't is out to murder us all, but at least this way they'll be shooting Pentagon cops over some other reason.

Do you really believe it's somehow better cops get shot over something other than 9/11 truth?


[edit on 7-3-2010 by antonia]

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by jprophet420
Nope, not even close. You have to present a clear and present danger. If you don't tell them to do it you aren't liable.

The Southern Poverty Law Center's successful lawsuit against the United Klans of America shows your interpretation of the law is wrong. The UKA never said, "go out and murder the first black kid you come across", either, but they DID give their members a non-stop diet of carefully edited propaganda that instigated the hatred that caused some of their members to go out and murder the first black kid they came across. Change "hatred for blacks" to "paranoia that the gov't is constantly plotting to murder us all" and this is literally the same thing Loose Change, Prison Planet, etc are doing.

Just becuase you personally don't like a fact, it in no way means that the fact is incorrect.

I specifically said that you have to present a clear and present danger in my post, the tactic that was used by that the prosecution in that case.

I say there aren't any "innocent bystanders" in Washington.


I say most of you are afraid to speak your minds because the media has sensationalized so many of these types of incidents that there is a DIRECT STIGMA attached to them.

We shouldn't be afraid to speak whatever we want but the media has everyone programmed and thus we are giving our rights away.


[edit on 7-3-2010 by unconscious_war]

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I find it very hard to believe you could be so narrow-minded to the fact that every person who believes in conspiracy's is going to go out and start murdering people. Everyone has their own reasons for what they do and the fact of the matter is nobody has the right to judge them for that not you, not me, not the government, no-one. Whats to say that if your life was hell and around every corner you were met with a problem that present's itself in the form of some one out to get you. I'm not saying that we (conspiracy theorists, not necessarily all) look at it that way but you can only assume to imagine what this mans life was like, so do not sit there and expect me to be silent to the fact of such an ignorant irrational statement being made about a whole group when you do not KNOW every-one on this site or any other site for that matter. You should keep your fighting words to yourself and try and learn to just live in peace with your-self and stop worrying about everyone Else's reasons for doing things.

reply to post by GoodOlDave

How could an incident like this not happen?

Hundreds of thousands of people, probably many more, subscribe to extremist views re 9/11, ie that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were responsible for the attacks, regardless of the fact that there isn't a single scrap of evidence actually implicating these men (unless you consider George Bush sitting in that classroom "evidence").

Conspiracy theorists can indulge their tastes in outrageous & baseless slander online with impunity & interact with others as extreme as they are, although the disturbing thing is that it's no longer considered extremism to believe that George W Bush is a mass murderer.

If this many people actually think that they live in some dystopian fascist state, it doesn't seem improbable that at least one of them will eventually snap. If we do reside in an Orwellian nightmare, then why not do something about it rather than pontificate endlessly, year in year out, about controlled demolitions & building 7.

Ten years from now the same old tired rubbish will be posted, no new evidence will have emerged, nothing will have changed.

Your mentioning Mark Chapman is relevant, because 9/11 conspiracists are in a sense Chapman-esque, Chapman-lite. He had the courage of his perverted convictions, whereas the 9/11 conspiracy lovers , while they portray themselves as great patriots & lovers of truth, actually do nothing, other than engage in tedious online debate re the melting point of steel & other matters that the man or woman in the street doesn't care about nor ever will care about.

reply to post by vicen

Yup, you "debunkers" had to wait nearly 8.5 years for 3 "truthers" to make the MSM news with violence. That's about 0.375 incidents per year.

One question- how many people did JP Bedell actually kill though? (I tried to throw you guys a "neeener neeener" point, but no one bothered to check my math yet- hint: I was giving the "debunker" side the benefit of the doubt).

In 2008 37,261 people were killed by motor vehicles. That's 18630.5 times as many as have been killed by homocidal "truthers."

www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov...

Are you "debunkers" going to lobby Washington to have automobiles outlawed anytime soon (since they are thousands of times more dangerous than "truthers")? Are you all going to sell your cars, motorcycles, and trucks to appease your principles then? What about gangs and drive-by shootings (CA looks especially bad)? Your "average" murderers? Or are you all just going to post about 3 violent "truthers" on the internet?

www.associatedcontent.com...

reply to post by vicen

Hundreds of thousands of people, probably many more, subscribe to extremist views re 9/11, ie that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were responsible for the attacks, regardless of the fact that there isn't a single scrap of evidence actually implicating these men (unless you consider George Bush sitting in that classroom "evidence").

Interesting emotional response from someone giving his opinion.
Maybe there is no physical evidence, but there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that certainly points to the Bush administration.

Oh yes, the classroom "evidence"? What evidence?

Conspiracy theorists can indulge their tastes in outrageous & baseless slander online with impunity & interact with others as extreme as they are, although the disturbing thing is that it's no longer considered extremism to believe that George W Bush is a mass murderer.

Yet, you are here on a “Conspiracy theory website” giving your opinions anyway.
Regardless to what you think, we are all in here to share ideas and debated different conspiracy theories by using facts and credible sources regardless how outrageous& baseless they are .
Remember, you are on ATS not some unmanaged mudslinging website, we do have rules here.

If this many people actually think that they live in some dystopian fascist state, it doesn't seem improbable that at least one of them will eventually snap. If we do reside in an Orwellian nightmare, then why not do something about it rather than pontificate endlessly, year in year out, about controlled demolitions & building 7.

First, we have to wake people up. What do you expect only a few people to do when you have organized corporate media working for our military industrialist and the government who control the information flow. We do not have freedom of the Press any longer where have you been.

If we are right about 911 being a [color=gold]false flag operation, then these powerful organizations will stop at nothing to keep the mass population from finding out, don’t you think.

We all have witness the huge change in our media since 911.
Now the News media have their own “talking idiots” telling people how to think and what you should believe in. Not to mention it has been stated in many words on every New outlet to NOT question the OS and if you do, you are labeled [color=gold]a crackpot, tin foil hat, right wing, / left wing extremist, or even a terrorist.

Look at CNN, I used to depend on their information before 911 happened, now CNN has turned into a “entertainment circus” their information is as credible as the National Enquire, our News outlets have become a joke.

I am sorry I live in the United States and Ill be dam if I am going to let some talking head idiot tell me how to think and not what I can question.

You know, if it was not for conspiracies theories, detectives could not solve murders and other crimes.
Conspiracies theories is a method used to get to the truth in many issues.

Yeah, we all live in a nightmare when it comes to exposing the truth.

Ten years from now the same old tired rubbish will be posted, no new evidence will have emerged, nothing will have changed.

Perhaps so, but I firmly believe in ten years more people will know the OS is a lie.

whereas the 9/11 conspiracy lovers , while they portray themselves as great patriots & lovers of truth, actually do nothing, other than engage in tedious online debate re the melting point of steel & other matters that the man or woman in the street doesn't care about nor ever will care about.

Perhaps you do not care, but you do not speak for the “Truth movement” and our goals
There is nothing wrong in a people debating the 911 issues if that is what it takes to convinces people they were lied to by our government about 911.

Cheers

Originally posted by antonia
Funny, cause what 90% of the truthers spout happens to be: "We need a new investigation", so now you are saying they don't want it because it wouldn't sit right with your worldview.

Misquote people much? What I SAID is that truthers want a investigation THAT CERTIFIES WHAT THEY THEMSELVES WANT TO BELIEVE. How can you even argue the point? If somehow you're able to get two plus two to equal five and an investigation did show there were controlled demolitions, do you really think the "lasers from outer space" bunch will accept it? If it were shown that Bush DID stage the attack, do you really think the "it was staged by Israel" bunch will support it?

You're certainly not stupid so you know what the answer is already.

I invite you to prove me wrong- did YOU ever read the 9/11 commission report or even the NIST report?

Yes, I have. Assume much?

Ah, very good. So then you can relate with my frustration when these supposed "truthers" make claims that the 9/11 commission supposedly made when they never said any such thing I.E. no interceptors were scrambled, no mention was made of WTC 7, as well as the frauds who criticize the 9/11 report over things the report was never meant to cover to begin with I.E. why Bush stayed in the classroom for as long as he did.

If you have to rely on lies to get your point across, it's a de facto admission that you know what you're saying is wrong.

Their board, their rules. Learn to read the T&C's before you sign on. There are plenty of boards for you to go and express your opinions. That's what free speech is about. unless of course you are just advocating we do away with that archaic concept?

HUH?!? Are you really advocationg censorship as a legitimate avenue to preserve freedom of speech?!?

Cute, you added a word I did not type. I never said "honest" conversation. I said conversation. I don't care what kind it is in general. There is nothing criminal about 9/11 conversations. Unless of course you would like to see that happen.

I attributed "honest" conversation to you becuase I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you are seriously advocating DISHONEST conversation then please tell me now, so I'll know enough to stay the hell away from you.

Originally posted by jprophet420
I specifically said that you have to present a clear and present danger in my post, the tactic that was used by that the prosecution in that case.

So what part of a 9/11 conspiracy theorist travelling to the Pentagon and shooting two cops isn't an indication of a clear and present danger?

Last month, before this happened, you would have had a point. Now that it's happened, not so much.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Misquote people much? What I SAID is that truthers want a investigation THAT CERTIFIES WHAT THEY THEMSELVES WANT TO BELIEVE. How can you even argue the point? If somehow you're able to get two plus two to equal five and an investigation did show there were controlled demolitions, do you really think the "lasers from outer space" bunch will accept it? If it were shown that Bush DID stage the attack, do you really think the "it was staged by Israel" bunch will support it?

Go read most of these threads. What most people call for is a new investigation. Are you really stressing over people who think laser beams pew pew fired of the towers and brought them down? This is pure lunacy and it doesn't matter. Once again, what's the end solution? It's obvious an investigation isn't one as this wouldn't shut people up. So what's the real solution?

Ah, very good. So then you can relate with my frustration when these supposed "truthers" make claims that the 9/11 commission supposedly made when they never said any such thing I.E. no interceptors were scrambled, no mention was made of WTC 7, as well as the frauds who criticize the 9/11 report over things the report was never meant to cover to begin with I.E. why Bush stayed in the classroom for as long as he did.

If you have to rely on lies to get your point across, it's a de facto admission that you know what you're saying is wrong.

It causes me no frustration. I don't care. I just simply don't care what others choose to believe. If you don't bother me, it doesn't matter. I personally do not buy into all the truther arguments but, I don't buy into the entirety of the OS either. It's your right to believe what you want. Considering someone else did the math and the number of violent actions "attributable" (and that is debatable) to these truthers is less than one tenth of a percent, well you know I'm just not scared. I really don't think these people are going to pop out of my closet, rape my dogs and murder me. I don't think they are going to go out and murder people in mass.

HUH?!? Are you really advocationg censorship as a legitimate avenue to preserve freedom of speech?!?

What they do is not censorship. Censorship is defined (generally) as denial of speech by Government or Authority. When you go on to a message board you are on a private server. No one is obligated to listen to you or allow you to say what you want. You could easily start your own blog, message board, group etc. I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you what the reality is. ATS "censors" as well, it's their right as it's their property.

I attributed "honest" conversation to you becuase I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you are seriously advocating DISHONEST conversation then please tell me now, so I'll know enough to stay the hell away from you.

You should stay away from me. I meant what i said. I don't care what kind of conversation it is. If people are too stupid to research for themselves, they deserve what they get. Learn some discernment and stop asking for a cuddly environment that fits all your needs. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Either way, your assertion that truthers are equal to crazies who go out and shoot at people is completely ludicrous.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Okay. Newbie here.

Can someone explain what a "truther" or "faither" is?

"Faither" is a relatively new pejorative (negative term) referring to some who believes (has "faith" in) something the speaker doesn't believe.

"Truther" is either a badge of honor or a pejorative (depending on the speaker/hearer) referring to someone who doesn't believe that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida were really behind the 9/11 attacks or that the US Government knew the attack was going to happen, but chose not to stop the 9/11 attacks.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by constantwonder
This post coupled with the premise of this thread makes this conspiracy theorist paranoid

smells like bait to me.

Is it just me or are the plants just getting sloppy

Can someone please tell me why there are 17 members of a conspiriacy website that agreed with this garbage enough to flag it?

I think that's 17 government worms.

So let me get this straight...in one moment you're griping that I'm accusing conspiracy theorists of being paranoid, and not even one sentence later, you're accusing me of being a secret government agent sent to ATS to trick you with disinformation. Is this really what you mean to say?!?

Good grief, I might as well be talking to the wall.

Uhm can you read? I clearly said this thread makes me paranoid and that you and the 17 people that agree with you have got to be plants. . . or goons with so much time that you come on a conspiracy website just to piss of the people there.

You are trying to make people hate ATS. . . what explanation can there be other than

a. your a disinfo agent

b. a child with no concept of personal responsibility

I said I am paranoid and believe you are an agent there is no gripe

Honestly, I believe the killers actions defeat the purpose a lot of us have been conveying for quite sometime! What is the point in getting a message across that portrays a possible, positive insight? To make the changes we want made, to open eyes and awaken the minds of people all over...when this kind of action occurs? Conspiracy Theorists like this really need to stop, step back and take a long intense look at themselves from within. Violence is NOT the answer! However wisdom, clarity of thought, understanding, patience; a powerful yet calm voice, and possibly a little tolerance will speak volumes!

These people in power eat this kind of behavior up for dinner! They want you and I to lash out, and display all kinds of chaos. They love it, and will use that against those of us who DO want to present the aforementioned.

I just hope this changes and quick. Because what would be the point of any of this...right now?