I KNEW this was going to happen, sooner or later!!!

Originally posted by antonia
And what is the solution? You are missing that big piece. I'm fairly certain it's "if you don't believe what I do, shut up". You should know that's not going to fly with most people here.

This is going to shock you, so I hope you're sitting down. The solution to get rid of all these crackpot conspiracy stories and the con artists behind all these conspiracy web sites is simple- have more investigations. When all the questions have enough legitimate answers that it will finally convince peopel that, yes, it really was a terrorist attack, they'll drop all the idiotic controlled demolitions, lasers from outer space, etc claims floatign around that can only survive as long as the idea that it wasn't a legitimate terrorist attack can survive. After all, the whole reason why we all know the Titanic was sunk by an iceberg rather than secret gov't submarines, UFOs or whatever, is becuase there are/were investigations on top of investigations leading to other investigations.

Along with that, the results should be released in a format of a tenth grade reading level, so that people reading "fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the airliners" can't mistake what they're reading as saying that "there was a military stand down order". One or two lawsuits against the con artists behind these damned fool web sites for instigating public unrest and forcing them to expose all the cute little tricks they use to lie to people wouldn't be bad, either.

There will always be crackpots who are thoroughly convinced that the gov't is out to murder us all, but at least this way they'll be shooting Pentagon cops over some other reason.

Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

I just couldn't resist one more reply. The fallacy of your arguement is so absurd and you can't even see it. According to your latest post, then YOU will be "culpable" when someone goes out and shoots a " TRUTHER "., because of all the anti-truther retoric that you are spewing at ATS. WHAT SAY YE NOW ?

If I was running a web site and deliberately manipulating everything and using inuendo, quotes taken out of context, and five degrees of separation to convince people that the conspiracy theorists were all plotting to murder us all, and if someone read my propaganda and went out and murdered a 9/11 conspriacy supporter, then yes, I *could* be culpable. Maybe not criminally, but punitively, at least.

Oh, and before you reply, consider that Charles Manson was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder despite his never killing a single person. All he did is convince his cult to go out and murder Sharon Tate. Reality is not your friend, I'm afraid.

If I was running a web site and deliberately manipulating everything and using inuendo, quotes taken out of context, and five degrees of separation to convince people that the conspiracy theorists were all plotting to murder us all, and if someone read my propaganda and went out and murdered a 9/11 conspriacy supporter, then yes, I *could* be culpable. Maybe not criminally, but punitively, at least.

Nope, not even close. You have to present a clear and present danger. If you don't tell them to do it you aren't liable.

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by Shadow Herder

 

Yeah, cause god knows you truthers were worried about the Afghans in 1999.

Talk about defection.

What are you doing to help Africans?

What about North Koreans?

Always fun to find seethelight back trolling with his speciousity. BTW is that black light?


Funny how your sympathies lie along the same lines as your conspiracy theories.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by hthjason]

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oops

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Hey YO-YO, for your information, those who are running this website,are not deliberately manipulating or using inuendos to cause anybody to go out and murder anyone. Those running the website are only providing a forum for others to voice their opinions etc., so where do you get off saying something that irresponsible? And furthermore, maybe you should check the definition of conspiracy before using the word from now on. And "murder the conspiracy theorists"??? You are so confused that your ramblings are showing signs of incoherancy. Why are you even on this site? Just to stir up ****,as far as I can tell. Nobody here has instructed anyone to go out and kill anyone,unlike charles manson. are you really that stupid? I've got a hunch that if you continue with your "murder"theme, you may very well get banned from this site.,after all,you have used the words "murder" and "kill" repetitively.,moreso than anyone else on this thread you started. You are not going to convert anyone on this site to your pathetic way of thinking,as far as I can tell,so what is your friggin' point ?

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So what's your point. This only proves that people are idiots. You think by not discussing conspiracies or allowing the government to do as they please we can all be safe??? That is the most simplistic reasoning I have heard in quite some time. People will always find an excuse or reason to do what they want to do. Idiotic people that can be easily influenced is the reason why they buy so much crap off tv vote for retarded politicians and in general live a miserable life. Regardless what motivated this nutjob to do what he did the fact still remains that he was a nutjob. Not having the ability to discern between what is acceptable behaviour and what is not is called common sence. Which the world seems to be loosing at an alarming rate. Blaming conspiracy sites for retarted behavior is like blaming the beatles for Manson killing those people. Do you not see the hypocrasy in your own post? This world is indeed doomed. Lol.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
This is going to shock you, so I hope you're sitting down. The solution to get rid of all these crackpot conspiracy stories and the con artists behind all these conspiracy web sites is simple- have more investigations.

Which ironically is what most 9/11 truthers want.

One or two lawsuits against the con artists behind these damned fool web sites for instigating public unrest and forcing them to expose all the cute little tricks they use to lie to people wouldn't be bad, either.

These "damned fool websites", like the one you are on, are merely facilitators of conversation. If you don't like them, do not visit them.

There will always be crackpots who are thoroughly convinced that the gov't is out to murder us all, but at least this way they'll be shooting Pentagon cops over some other reason.

Mmmmhmmm, cause it's always infinitely better to kill someone for no reason as opposed to some crackpot reason? /sarcasm

It's not ok regardless of what the guy chooses to believe. One belief over another as a murder motivator is not somehow "better".

When I read the responses from both sides in threads like this, it becomes evident why America has been brought to it's knees.

You guys are so divided on nearly everything it seems... which is exactly as TPTB want it. You are well and truly divided and conquered!

Game Over!

IRM

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Yup, well said mate!

Dem al-Quiders be everywheres. Al-Quiders in Iraq. Al-Quiders in Iran. Al-Quiders in space!

Nobody forced these guys to become cops at the Pentagon. And it's not like someone exploded white phosphorus artillery shells over their home and burned them alive while they slept.

This is just precious. Now the story is that al-Qaeda doesn't exist at all, is it? What a conspiracy we must have on our hands; the U.S. must've worked hand in hand with the Soviet Union all those years, cooking-up the story of the Mujahideen (...and the armament & training of those guy by the CIA. Which is an odd thing for the U.S. to involve in the conspiracy story, but anyhow...), planting Bin Laden's notes & videos, paying off the Bin Laden family (whom are independently wealthy) to give false testimony about a son they apparently never had...

Someone at the beginning of this thread said it best: the worms have been dining quite well.

I have a raw, seething hatred for Richard Cheney (though I mostly pity George Bush, who's likely rarely had much opportunity to steer his own destiny) for specific incidents in Iraq (the Abu Ghraib tortures, the massacre in Haditha, the tacit approval of 'no quarter offered' air strikes, the domestic trampling of the U.S. constitution, etc), but the overarching agenda of Operation: Iraqi Freedom - deposing Saddam Hussein - was an effort I applaud. Combat operations ceased after the Ba'athist military was defeated (one of the large, tragic mistakes made by the Pentagon was failing to restore order after defeating Saddam's military & death squads - crime & looting were allowed to go on unabated until the situation spiraled out of control); they were only forced to resume & persist after fascist al-Qaeda elements entered Iraq in order to try and prevent the region from ever tasting peace.

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Don't know what you stated, in total, but I am certain to agree. Let people say what tptb are supressing, everywhere. Thanks.

When I read the responses from both sides in threads like this, it becomes evident why America has been brought to it's knees.

You guys are so divided on nearly everything it seems... which is exactly as TPTB want it. You are well and truly divided and conquered!

Oh? And what are the 'powers that be', out of curiosity? Can you name so much as one one of these shadowy fantasies of yours?

Originally posted by Kevin R Brown

When I read the responses from both sides in threads like this, it becomes evident why America has been brought to it's knees.

You guys are so divided on nearly everything it seems... which is exactly as TPTB want it. You are well and truly divided and conquered!

Oh? And what are the 'powers that be', out of curiosity? Can you name so much as one one of these shadowy fantasies of yours?

Did I mention a shadowy fantasy? You're reading to much into that particular aspect of my post. So in essence, you're the one fantasizing and creating your own subtext.

Get confused much? Should I type slower for you next time?

IRM

Which ironically is what most 9/11 truthers want.

No, it isn't. What most 'truthers' want is attention.


There have been investigations - dozens upon dozens of investigations. The 9/11 Troof movement list jams it's thumbs in it's ears and turns away, because the evidence of the situation doesn't conform to their ridiculous conspiracy.

Here, watch:

www.lolloosechange.co.nr...

That video unambiguously demonstrates that Dylan Avery is a liar, and that most troofer arguments are a matter of smoke & mirrors or straw men. But you're going to ignore it, aren't you?

skeptoid.com...
skeptoid.com...

Those two podcasts, likewise, pretty comprehensively decapitate the conspiracy theory. But you're going to just ignore them too, aren't you?

If it doesn't come right out of the mouth of Alex Jones or another troofer, it's just gotta be 'misinformation'; the only people with the special insight are you are your internet clique.


Pathetic.

Did I mention a shadowy fantasy? You're reading to much into that particular aspect of my post. So in essence, you're the one fantasizing and creating your own subtext.

Get confused much? Should I type slower for you next time?

I was a bit snarky, yes, but that's just how I am late on night on debate forums - and I did give you a chance to clarify your position.

What do you mean by 'the powers that be'? Do you mean, say, the Obama administration? Or, as I had jabbed, do you mean the Illuminati / New World Order / Some other shadowy cabal?

Originally posted by Kevin R Brown

Did I mention a shadowy fantasy? You're reading to much into that particular aspect of my post. So in essence, you're the one fantasizing and creating your own subtext.

Get confused much? Should I type slower for you next time?

I was a bit snarky, yes, but that's just how I am late on night on debate forums - and I did give you a chance to clarify your position.

What do you mean by 'the powers that be'? Do you mean, say, the Obama administration? Or, as I had jabbed, do you mean the Illuminati / New World Order / Some other shadowy cabal?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't subscribe to any of that. What I see throughout the world is governments gone mad. They aren't as answerable to the public as they should be. Instead they are whores to Corporations, Lobbyists, Bankers, Faceless Think Tankers, 'Advisors' and the Military Industrial Complex.

The general public has become dis-empowered and the best way to keep them like that is to create division.. i.e The old tried and true divide and conquer tactics appear to still work quite well. The last thing any power hungry government want is a united people (please don't read that as a socialistic manifesto because it isn't my intention).

It's just an observation. My other observation is that America today appears to be the most divided it has ever been. Surely this has some effect on over-all moral.

IRM

a black man murders 12 people, does that mean every black mean is a murderer? no same rule applies with this site just because ONE man killed TWO cops doesnt mean everyone on this site is going to go nuts, it was one mans metal issues that drove him to it, weather he was on ats or not, he still would have done it or something worse

one persons choices do not reflects others, if someone in your family killed a man because he went crazy, would people judge you to be crazy too? if the same flawy gene on in your blood maybe, but we are not related many people on here are differnt some are normal people some are cops, some are doctors, lawyers musicans.

This site has done alot of good exposed alot of #, but remeber TO ALL MEMBERS AND NON-MEMBERS VIOLENCE ISN'T THE ANSWER

fight for peace WITH PEACE

Tisk, Tisk Tisk, .... see what the OP is doing to us here ???


The thing I don't get is, .... his avatar says hes from Ireland. What stock has he in america or 9/11 ??

maybe he should stop making half wit posts about a country he doesn't belong to or understand !!

EDIT ; sorry i was referring to " seethelight" as most of his posts dominated the first two pages, I thought he was the OP.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by IntastellaBurst]

Okay, so apparently this man had mental issues. THAT is what caused him to do what he did. It would have made no real difference whether he did it because a demon told him to, or conspiracy theories.

Mental problems are not caused by conspiracy theories. It is still under research, but psychologists are pretty sure it has to do with genes and chemicals in the brain.

Just like some people can't watch horror movies because it gives them nightmares. Some people can control their emotion towards conspiracies, others feel dramatically different and make bad decisions. Just like some people blow up buildings because of religions.

The way I see it, we are more divided than we've ever been. You cannot accomplish something like getting rid of conspiracy theories/boards because people will always beg to differ. Just like you can't declare war after war and expect to change the way people think and choose to live.

It's beating a dead horse to try and change people, and people will always have reason to kill another, no matter how ridiculous, crazy, or diluted the reason. That's the way it's been since the dawn of this race.

Even if you end the truth movement, people will still go crazy and make a bad decision.