Is ATS Luciferian ? * Please note the question mark !

I am not going to address directly whether the site is Luciferian. Perhaps the amalgam of different voices seeking influence creates a center that is indeed Luciferian. That is for you to decide. I will post some things that might flip your lid, however. Lucifer is supposed to have been the most beautiful angel (had an angle in this game), the one who fell because he/she wanted complete control. I believe this to be symbolic of our psychology. That most beautiful and pure thing within us will not come out to be displayed to this world if we are merely seeking territory. We have to want to share ourselves in order for ourselves to be externally realized, and we cannot fear the judgment of others in this sharing. As such, we cannot judge them either, as we must be consistent in our philosophy.

Also, the dark represents the unknown. If one loves others, is forgiving, sees the interconnectedness of all things and hence, understands that much of what people do stems from their particular myopic choices and experiences (which could be less nurturing than your own), one might fear the void much less. One can then dive into the void, and realize that one is the void. One can continue to exist in this holistic and beyond state of being so long as one is true to one's self, the infinity of perspectives that lead to the one perspective. It does evolve, however. But it can remain the same in a sense as it is always I, but it recognizes the we. In a weird way, if Lucifer accepts a sort of Christlike logic, a universal logos that is aware of the whole and possesses no angel, then one is freed from control, as one has become worthy. Oftentimes, angels, so to speak, necessitate demons and vice versa. The angels need an enemy as well as do the demons. They are co-creators of each other, in a sense. They consciously and subconsciously make sure that their particular game can continue to be played. War is the game. Peace out.

All Hail ATS! Our new underlords...

What I have learned in my less than a year coming to ATS.

ATS is a:

CIA listening post
Socialist propaganda machine
Facist propaganda machine
Disinfo agency
Beacon of truth amid the disinfo
Luciferian brainwashing tool (now)


Am I missing anything so far?

There are luciferians on ATS, no doubt. There are Christians, Atheists,
democrats, republicans, sane people and insane people.

But ATS is none of those things, in and of inself.

You are giving human characteristics to a WEB SITE for crying out loud.

The only agenda I ascertain, is giving an arena, a voice, to a diversity of beliefs.

Silliness.

personally myself, i like the black background, it puts me at peace. But then again, look at my mood. Nice thread


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Originally posted by angeldoll
There are luciferians on ATS, no doubt. There are Christians, Atheists,
democrats, republicans, sane people and insane people.

But ATS is none of those things, in and of inself.

You are giving human characteristics to a WEB SITE for crying out loud.

The only agenda I ascertain, is giving an arena, a voice, to a diversity of beliefs.

Silliness.

Hi Angel Doll,


Thanks for shaking my misgivings. Christopher Story's personal impression has been most likely misapplied by me, as his postulate was for "websites" rather than message boards. This would mean Internet information transformers and propagandists, in the noble or less flattering sense. A public message board or forum would not comply with such an assessment, because even if its owners or administrators had such leanings this wouldn't make up anywhere near the sum total of their action or effect. It could only be represented by patterns of thread moderation or the sorting of subjects and disciplinary sanctions, not in the actual final content or intent of the information made available.


So it should be henceforth considered from the standpoint of whether Luciferians, when designing websites meant to unilaterally further their own agenda through public administrations or private endeavors, tend to choose a Black theme rather than more luminous colors.


Thanks for your helpful comments.


GS

Originally posted by SaturnFX
All Hail ATS! Our new underlords...

What I have learned in my less than a year coming to ATS.

ATS is a:

CIA listening post
Socialist propaganda machine
Facist propaganda machine
Disinfo agency
Beacon of truth amid the disinfo
Luciferian brainwashing tool (now)


Am I missing anything so far?

Hi SaturnFX,


I didn't know that ATS was all those at once - - quite the Agenda !


Regardless, it is also a great place to shake up our convictions and make sense of otherwise unintelligible situations. Who hasn't learned at least a little here, if not a great deal ?


GS

Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
I am not going to address directly whether the site is Luciferian. Perhaps the amalgam of different voices seeking influence creates a center that is indeed Luciferian. That is for you to decide. I will post some things that might flip your lid, however. Lucifer is supposed to have been the most beautiful angel (had an angle in this game), the one who fell because he/she wanted complete control. I believe this to be symbolic of our psychology. That most beautiful and pure thing within us will not come out to be displayed to this world if we are merely seeking territory. We have to want to share ourselves in order for ourselves to be externally realized, and we cannot fear the judgment of others in this sharing. As such, we cannot judge them either, as we must be consistent in our philosophy.

Hi Orwellian Unenlightenment,


I am not particularly attached to my lid remaining tightly fastened, as long as it lands the right side up when finding the top of my head.


Also, I have no qualms with beauty, Luciferian or otherwise, only I find it to be rather limited as compared to the many other aspects of human experience. Assuredly, beauty exalted by the ancient Greeks as a pure form of intelligent harmony exemplified in an Earthly expression does make us respond in an instinctive way, for it demonstrates a higher order of the Cosmos where form cannot be conceived as merely a random organization of coinciding influences.


However I fail to share your belief that beauty is representative of human psychology, even if it exerts an attractive force which can be compared to that of "temptation". For those with other concerns, values and preoccupations it is neither here nor there. So, if you amalgamate Beauty with Lucifer (as its representative fallen angel) then Lucifer will have no hold on those who cherish other virtues above that of Beauty.

Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
Also, the dark represents the unknown. If one loves others, is forgiving, sees the interconnectedness of all things and hence, understands that much of what people do stems from their particular myopic choices and experiences (which could be less nurturing than your own), one might fear the void much less. One can then dive into the void, and realize that one is the void. One can continue to exist in this holistic and beyond state of being so long as one is true to one's self, the infinity of perspectives that lead to the one perspective. It does evolve, however. But it can remain the same in a sense as it is always I, but it recognizes the we. In a weird way, if Lucifer accepts a sort of Christlike logic, a universal logos that is aware of the whole and possesses no angel, then one is freed from control, as one has become worthy. Oftentimes, angels, so to speak, necessitate demons and vice versa. The angels need an enemy as well as do the demons. They are co-creators of each other, in a sense. They consciously and subconsciously make sure that their particular game can continue to be played. War is the game. Peace out.

Granted, the dark may traditionally be associated with the unknown. One can venture into the unknown or "plunge into the void" as you choose to illustrate this image, irrespective of whether with or without fear. But this void surrounds you but is not within you, or there would be no You to be surrounded. This means that the void reveals all the more clearly who you really are, what really matters that constitutes you and your conscience, your identity and philosophical perspective. This to my eyes represents what can be described as you do with the words "one has become worthy" as conscience of worth is in itself worthiness - - because it is the focus on a virtue that grants the power of said virtue over one's mind, emotions, behavior and actions - - resulting in manifestations of virtue.


Unfortunately I fail to follow you in your venture into the war games between angels and demons, the Cosmic Logos of contradictory mutual dependence and one's self-realization by embracing the dialectic coexistence of Christ and Lucifer. While this is indeed a vision of our reality which can be ascertained by a number of observations, it does not seem to me to be necessarily explicative of our destiny nor indicative of a path to understanding or fulfillment.


Thanks nonetheless for sharing your introspections.


GS

Here ya go it's official....lol just kidding, quite a few members on here with similar handles...mean's nothing just thought it to be unique, and this member is just one of us, using this forum to express ourselves, and listen to other's.







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Originally posted by Getsmart
However, isn't it for you, who defend this order, to explain the contents and details of that ritual to dispute the subject, or does your own hermetic law of secrecy prevent even you from knowing this information yourself ?

Thank you for taking zero time to address and answer the questions I posed and propagting a honest exchange of information and ideas. You instead aksed me to answer for you, to me this demonstrates you obviously invented the 'facts' and have no substantiation for the same. However, I will humor you.

There is no ritual for degress above the 33rd in regular Masonry because none exist, same as the invented 'above the 33rd degree' Masons you mentioned as well. Please direct us to any evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
All Hail ATS! Our new underlords...

What I have learned in my less than a year coming to ATS.

ATS is a:

CIA listening post
Socialist propaganda machine
Facist propaganda machine
Disinfo agency
Beacon of truth amid the disinfo
Luciferian brainwashing tool (now)


Am I missing anything so far?

Yes you are.

ATS also

Cleans stains out of carpet!
Picks up spills!
Mends fabric and plastic!

But wait theres more!

ATS also

slices and dices!
chops and peels your favorite fruits and vegetables!
makes nutritious smoothies!

Or your money back!

Seriously, ATS is probably the best forum on the internet. It has everything good and bad. ATS hands down is the best source of news.
If anything is going on in the world, you'll find it here first.

Originally posted by Getsmart
So I take back the affirmation that Lucifer is the Masonic God. Let us just say that certain Luciferians may have made, at a given time, an incursion into Freemasonry - - using its convenient secret society organisation to pursue parallel endeavors.

Funny that you should mention that. Pike even wrote about this in his Morals and Dogma. He said that there was a time that Freemasonry had indeed been hi-jacked. He said that at one point, there were over 800 degrees.

A member here at ATS testified that within his own lodge certain days ceremonies of a "magickal" nature were held, but only with the attendance of a partial select participation roster from among their brother Masons.

And? That is their prerogative.

Darn I must of been subconsciously controlled when I made my websites with a black background. What a bunch of complete rubbish, statistically this is impossible.

This person is off his rocker and is not even considering the idea that a black background is more pleasing with a certain design.

Who knows what the founders are into or intend. A black background provides a good contrast. The generic stereotype is a bit much. Not sure what the motives of the guy behind it are.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Yes. Don't forget the current Administration opinions coming from their operatives on the news shows.

All Truthers, Birthers, Tea Party participants, Constitutionalists, Returning Veterans and Gun Owners that frequent these sites are Republican, KKK, Nazi's.

You did not hear that from me though.

On topic-

I think you can put your cross, garlic and holy water away for now. If it sounds silly it is silly. Some people have too much time on their hands and they have to do something. May as well invent things out of thin air for entertainment. Those pseudo- blog / news sites have to fill their pages with something.

Now there may be Lucifer Worshipers here lurking. So far my Virus Protection has kept them at bay however.

Perhaps I should forget how easy the dark background is on my eyes and use the light background option instead; Just to be safe. I'm fresh out of holy water and garlic. I wonder how hard it would be to jacket a bullet with silver, or is that shape-shifters? I get so confused.

I'm not mocking here GetSmart. Like I said, sometimes silly is just silly and nothing more. If a color was all that was necessary to spot evil in this world, it sure would be easy to avoid.

Originally posted by oconnection

Darn I must of been subconsciously controlled when I made my websites with a black background. What a bunch of complete rubbish, statistically this is impossible.

This person is off his rocker and is not even considering the idea that a black background is more pleasing with a certain design.

Hi Oconnection,


Some here did make such a supposition, but who can say what goes on within one's unconscious mind. After all we can't be conscious of it, or they wouldn't call it that.


I think that his original statement was made in rejection of a Luciferian mindset and maybe he had noticed what appeared to be an attraction to website art with black backgrounds among individuals of such a mind ?

I think if they were proper luciferians, they'd be more into racism...And they'd let us swear...the owners are not sufficiently into free speech to be libertarian, let alone luciferian, according to my scorecard...they are bourgeois careerists, not idealists, and that's cool, it's their site + I can take it or leave it...

I mean every week there's some new u2u admonishing us to have this or that attitude, reminiscent of grade school warnings about paper towels on the bathroom floor, blah-blah-blah...that's not the right way to run devil worship, the style's all wrong for that, no appeal to big freedom...

[edit on 5-3-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]

Black +evil Did God create the color black? And why do you consider it evil?

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Black +evil

Did God create the color black? And why do you consider it evil?

No, God is against black, that is why he said "LET THERE BE LIGHT"...you really oughta start coming to the meetings...

Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Black +evil

Did God create the color black? And why do you consider it evil?

No, God is against black, that is why he said "LET THERE BE LIGHT"...you really oughta start coming to the meetings...

You avoided my other question did "God" create the color black. Also why you are at it does "GOD" hold realm over hell?

reply to post by Subjective Truth


I was joking, yes ...I would have answered all your points if I had had anything (amusing-to-me) to say about them...