Is ATS Luciferian ? * Please note the question mark !

Black NEVER goes out of fashion.Black is subdued,stylish,understated and hip.
Black is the new black AND the old black.


I'm agnostic and I like black-So am I suffering from a belief crisis?

Does colour even matter?If a satanist website has a white background,is it wrong?

Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

I was joking, yes ...I would have answered all your points if I had had anything (amusing-to-me) to say about them...

Well some posters actually do think like that and forgive me if I jumped to conclusions.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Thank you for taking zero time to address and answer the questions I posed and propagting a honest exchange of information and ideas. You instead aksed me to answer for you, to me this demonstrates you obviously invented the 'facts' and have no substantiation for the same. However, I will humor you.

There is no ritual for degress above the 33rd in regular Masonry because none exist, same as the invented 'above the 33rd degree' Masons you mentioned as well. Please direct us to any evidence to the contrary.

Augustus Masonicus,


The purpose of the thread was not Mason bashing, especially as numerous other ATS members are part of that fraternity. Any references were made in passing, and to move on in the more relevant topic of the Luciferian cult I had, for the sake of courtesy and congeniality, rescinded earlier statements regarding lower Masons, yet this was not enough for you. I stand corrected and take act.


Regarding your frustrated demand of facts: this is not Yahoo Questions and I am under no obligation to reply to any individual's request. Furthermore, your's was not a sincere question, as you have implied that you already know the answer. I therefore treated it with the respect due: none. Dialectical tricks instead of an honest open exchange of ideas show those who use them for what they are: dialectical tricksters.


It is amusing that a Mason would have the nerve to demand facts about their own activities from those who are not members, and are thus purposely barred from ever obtaining such information. As a Mason you must guard secrecy with your life or face death at the hands of your beloved brothers. This is why I rhetorically asked you back your own question - because you may know yet you are no longer a free man and you cannot speak.


I find it very entertaining that, from the safety of the lead curtain of secrecy dissimulating all facts concerning Freemasonry, that a Mason should request from an outsider that very information. While the impression that information is power is fed by vanity, it also points to the enslavement to a system, a soulless machine which take precedence over your own being. Masons don't get anything for nothing. They exchange their freedom for an illusion of power granted by the group at first, and then by the dark lore at the top of their sinister grid. And whatever power they may hold in their own individual lives has been sold out to their masters - - the identity of which they don't even know !


Those who hide their misdeeds in secrecy, swear blood oaths to never reveal the nature of their creed or the motives of their acts, pressure others to turn a blind eye on their own conscience and obey out of allegiance or out of fear to all requests of their sect - because Freemasonry is UNDENIABLY SECTARIAN given that a sectarian division is made between those within and those without, each with distinct rules of behavior and duties.


Since you seems so hellbent on being provided "Evidence" may I entreat you to such a fact ? It can be read in the Headlines of News of the World of December 28, 2003 where Masonic Leader and former Secretary General of NATO and British Government Minister Lord Burton testifies that the "Dunblane Inquiry was a Cover-Up and Peers Bullied Me to Keep Quiet".


Scroll down in this link for Cover Page


Those who conspire behind closed doors whether for the good or for the downfall of humanity, can easily fall prey to instrumentation by anyone reaching a position of power in a potentially violent hierarchical autocratic pyramid system where nobody knows who is the All Seeing Eye lording above. According to Grand Master Albert Pike in what many still today refer to as the Masonic Bible prepared for the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree, the being within the All-Seeing-Eye is none other than LUCIFER.


]The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree,
the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone,
and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the
Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit
of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who
bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble,
sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"


Quoted from page 321 HERE


What other higher influence can you invoke as accomplishing so much which many would consider at minimum dubious and unsavory and more often than not outright immoral and teasing the limits of criminality ?


Masonic Gang Symbols



If you want it from the horse's mouth, here's a tribute from a Gang Banger.


Freemasonry and Organized Crime



This is not to say that Freemasons are just Gang Bangers in starched shirts, but it may not be so distant an observation. In any case there are many manifestations of an Evil force behind Freemasonry either within its institution or due to infiltration and a large scale take over by the Illuminati.


Regardless of who or what is above atop the Pyramid Capstone, Freemasonry represents a serious danger to society due to a grievous vice of form. The very blood oath of secrecy which provides its members with a perverse sense of power over the uninitiated sheeple while subjecting them to a reign of terror should they fail in their mistaken duty.


"Secondly, evidence is presented of the penetration by freemasonry of the European institutions, and Member State administrations; and accounts of the consequential corruption in France, Belgium and Italy. "

"It gave, and its gives, me no pleasure to question the integrity of two senior officials with whom I have worked and/or known for many years. However, if two individuals voluntarily swear to protect their “brothers”, and their fraternal secrets, upon pain of death and dismemberment; and an analysis of the audit evidence available casts material doubt on their, and other “official” explanations offered to date; and evidence of masonic corruption in other fields of public life is well known and thoroughly documented; then I fail to understand why it must be unreasonable to assume it possible that such “brotherly” oaths might take precedence over employees’ normal duties of loyalty to their employer."


CIA and freemasons among dark forces in Europe


“The Economist”, 26.12.92:

"“There is a strong network of Masons at work in the European Parliament, which has been accused of helping members to conceal corrupt dealings.”


Paul van Buitenen, interviewed by BBC News Online, 13.3.2000:

“…He spoke about his fears of Mafia and Masonic infiltration of the Brussels machine… Asked about persistent rumours of Mafia involvement in Brussels, he insisted he had no proof and was nervous of making any claims. ‘I have heard certain things about Mafia involvement in Brussels… I have seen traces of Masonic involvement and of networks where you don’t know what is happening."


Michael McGrade, “Bugnini, Bernadin and Basil: Modernist Masons or Masonic Modernists?”, November 2000:

“In its 1 June 2000 edition, the liberal French weekly ‘Le Nouvel Observateur’ featured a lengthy, shocking report on French Freemasonry, citing case after case of direct Masonic involvement in the most notorious criminal acts of the past twelve years. From mafia-like penetration of big business and the magistracy to assassination to public health catastrophes, it seems that virtually no aspect of contemporary Gallic life – whether political, judicial, military, commercial, civil administrative or law enforcement – is untouched by its corrupting hand."

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

A member here at ATS testified that within his own lodge certain days ceremonies of a "magickal" nature were held, but only with the attendance of a partial select participation roster from among their brother Masons.

And? That is their prerogative.

Decidedly YES SpeakerofTruth, it is of course their prerogative. And their prerogative ends where our own prerogative to live peaceful and constructive lives starts. This is where we differ. They have every right to do whatever they wish, until this inflicts damageable harm on others. The criminal justice system exists for this purpose. Only oaths of secrecy and conspiring in secluded chambers does much to prevent law and justice from prevailing.


Now, I think it would be in everyone's interest here to desist from further focusing on Freemasonry. What needs to be said has been said better elsewhere. It will only lead to further disclosure of unpleasant things Masons wish kept secret, to strife among posters as well as put us all off track respective to our subject which is not Freemasonry. Even if it is Luciferian, Masonry is not directly relevant to this thread topic unless it can be noted that they use Black Backgrounds in their websites, which I assume is probably not the case.


So thanks for being so kind as to bring the conversation back to the subject of whether Black can be something other than just another color, at least for Luciferians. Black, is actually not a color but a color absorber, colors being the reflection of certain frequencies of light which are not absorbed. Everything in the visible world is reflective or refractory but only black is NOT.


What is Black but the symbolic manifestation of total absorption of light, of the void which reflects nothing and gobbles up photon energy, darkness with all that it entails from a trigger for terror or a harbor for evil spirits to a restful haven or a meditative infinite ? Is darkness a pool of light absorbing matter, a vampire substance which drains cognizance and spirit from our souls, a portal to another dimension where anything can and maybe even does exist ?


Do the Luciferians thrive in this darkness, cherish it and use its latent powers of darkness to affect our world and cast spells of sorcery ? If this proves true, then there could be a legitimate inference on the part of Christopher Story that Luciferians tend to prefer posting a Black Background on the websites they control. This could be for reasons of cult affinity, or more likely yet out of the belief that it will help convey and transmit the dark forces which they aim to harness for their own obscure purposes.


So if anyone here knows something about Luciferian practices and their relation to Black and/or Darkness, whether in the form of the colors used in their rituals or pertaining to them imploring in trance states the assistance from Dark Entities, thanks for sharing your ideas and knowledge with us. It would be interesting to ascertain, collaterally, whether such entities are imaginary or actually real beings from other dimensions currently the object of study by astrophysicists.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by Getsmart]

Investigative Breakthrough !



Proof Black Websites are Luciferian

Here is the proof:



LUCIFER BLACK



We now have direct evidence. The name of the website itself is the first indication of an irrefutable connection between Lucifer and Black.


Then we get to the most serious evidence, the use of Black writing on a Black background to inscribe occult symbols and black magic incantations. It is a very, very dark plot which thickens... as this secret cult hides its Evil from our eyes so that only the darkest of beings can lurk through its abysmal scorn to lose their souls.

Originally posted by Getsmart
Could you kindly offer a definition for the initials S.O.L. as without such explanation your warning falls on deaf ears. Thanks.


GS

without such explanation

O.L

Originally posted by Getsmart
Regarding your frustrated demand of facts: this is not Yahoo Questions and I am under no obligation to reply to any individual's request.

Then why go to forum where the stated mission is an exchange of information to further everyones understanding?

It is amusing that a Mason would have the nerve to demand facts about their own activities from those who are not members, and are thus purposely barred from ever obtaining such information.

This is another logical fallacy on your point. The 'facts' and 'activities' I was asking you to substantiate had no basis in reality and are solely in the realm of fantasy. Your reluctance to provide answers only demonstrated this as they do not exisit.

In relation to not being able to obtain details of Masonic ritual or membership; all Masonic ritual has been published at one point.

As a Mason you must guard secrecy with your life or face death at the hands of your beloved brothers.

Really? Then what am I doing here? Why have I not been executed? I have been posting on this site for maore than two years and yet somehow managed to avoid 'death at the hands of my beloved brothers'. I have even gone so far as to give my lodge location and position in the same, I think your statement is somewhat erroneous.

This is why I rhetorically asked you back your own question - because you may know yet you are no longer a free man and you cannot speak.

Right. This is not me typing.

I find it very entertaining that, from the safety of the lead curtain of secrecy dissimulating all facts concerning Freemasonry, that a Mason should request from an outsider that very information.

Then answer me this: Why is all other degree ritual available in several different forms of media yet your super-secret above the 33rd degree ritual is not?

Masons don't get anything for nothing. They exchange their freedom for an illusion of power granted by the group at first, and then by the dark lore at the top of their sinister grid. And whatever power they may hold in their own individual lives has been sold out to their masters - - the identity of which they don't even know !

Here you go again. You just said above that how could you possibly know about Masonry when you are not a Mason but somehow determined that I sold out my life to a person I do not even know. Care to explain this little pearl of brilliance?

...because Freemasonry is UNDENIABLY SECTARIAN given that a sectarian division is made between those within and those without, each with distinct rules of behavior and duties.

Really? How so considering we except all men as long as they are not criminals and believe in God?

Also, since you are so in the know, please list these 'rules' and 'duties' of which you speak.

Since you seems so hellbent on being provided "Evidence" may I entreat you to such a fact ? It can be read in the Headlines of News of the World of December 28, 2003 where Masonic Leader and former Secretary General of NATO and British Government Minister Lord Burton testifies that the "Dunblane Inquiry was a Cover-Up and Peers Bullied Me to Keep Quiet".

Here is the quote from Lord Burton:

Lord Burton said: "I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I'm aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy. I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route. But Hamilton was never a Mason. His grandfather was."

Any group formed outside of Masonry is not Masonry. If I meet several people in lodge and we subsequently start another group what does this have to do with the lodge where we met?

According to Grand Master Albert Pike...

Albert Pike was not a Grand Master, please do a little research before you post.

...in what many still today refer to as the Masonic Bible prepared for the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree, the being within the All-Seeing-Eye is none other than LUCIFER.

The only people who refer to it as the Masonic Bible are typically the ignorant or ill-informed. Why would a book written for half the membership in an appedant body be regarded as a 'bible' by all Masons?

And by Lucifer, do you mean the planet or the make believe entity that people mistakenly confuse with Lucifer?

What other higher influence can you invoke as accomplishing so much which many would consider at minimum dubious and unsavory and more often than not outright immoral and teasing the limits of criminality?

The only 'higher influence' I invoke is God.

Masonic Gang Symbols

So because some ding-dongs go around making hand gestures they are somehow Masons or Masonic?

If I start throwing up the Latin Kings 'corona' hand sign does this make me a gang-banger or some stupid wanna-be?

Next you will be telling us that every time someone does the Texas 'hookem horns' that they are all Satanists.

If you want it from the horse's mouth, here's a tribute from a Gang Banger.

Freemasonry and Organized Crime

You must be kidding? This is what you want to bring to the table? A guy who starts off by saying, "Today I'm gonna fill you in on the connections between the Illuminati and your local street gangs, alright yo."

Wow, how would someone actually refute High C, aka Paranoid, and his wealth of evidence regarding the Illuminati?

In any case there are many manifestations of an Evil force behind Freemasonry either within its institution or due to infiltration and a large scale take over by the Illuminati.

Which Illuminati? The one founded by Adam Weishaput or the make believe one that no one seems to be able to direct me to?

Regardless of who or what is above atop the Pyramid Capstone, Freemasonry represents a serious danger to society due to a grievous vice of form. The very blood oath of secrecy which provides its members with a perverse sense of power over the uninitiated sheeple while subjecting them to a reign of terror should they fail in their mistaken duty.

Once again, how would you know how I felt when I took a symbolic oath? Considering the bulk of the charity we undertake is directed towards non-Masons, what exactly is our 'duty'?









[edit on 6-3-2010 by AugustusMasonicus]

Regarding your frustrated demand of facts:

Then why

Here is a wall, and there is a wall.

demand facts about their own

This is another logical fallacy on your point.

A point can only be made in a point.

obtain details of Masonic ritual

your life or face

It takes nothing to see your own face.

I think

This

Right. This is not me typing.

from the safety

above the 33rd degree

Easy to see this.

Masons don't get anything for nothing.

brilliance?

It's yesterday or it's nothing at all.

UNDENIABLY SECTARIAN

believe in God?

A question to invoke a job greater than god when nothing gets through the wall.

you are so in the know

Here is the quote from Lord Burton:

Obvious error in history, that should be Lord Button, yet there is also Lord Buttons, and Lord Infinite Buttons, and the button to kill them all.

Grand Master

Pike was not a Grand

The pike was worth it, yet to master it is certain death. Useful, if one survives. Otherwise, let my show you how to bleed with none of your pain and it yesterday, as a memory for you... and something for me.

All-Seeing-Eye is none other than LUCIFER.

are typically the ignorant

This only proves why stupidity is a good thing when they think evil is the worst thing.

What other higher influence can you invoke

The only 'higher influence' I invoke is God.

Greater than god, if you believe in god, otherwise you don't have to believe me at all.

Masonic Gang Symbols

hand gestures they are

Stupidity cures the blind, yet only cause some of us have done to work to know the difference between blind and truly blind.

If I start

Next

There is a Satanist in one of the two above, yet this is a good thing, because you be lucky to be able to use the word Satanist and know when it is beauty and know when even evil can't even touch the word evil because evil is nothing but beauty unless you have desire to find out what is everything about evil except beauty.

Consider, you two just type the basics of what a computer does, it starts, and it continues on to next, etc. There is no explanation needed if there is no end.

If you want it from the horse's mouth,

You must be kidding?

Wow, how would someone actually refute High C, aka Paranoid, and his wealth of evidence regarding the Illuminati?

In any case there are many manifestations of an Evil force behind

that no one seems to be able to direct

 

Regardless

Once again

Originally posted by Getsmart
Now, I think it would be in everyone's interest here to desist from further focusing on Freemasonry. What needs to be said has been said better elsewhere. It will only lead to further disclosure of unpleasant things Masons wish kept secret, to strife among posters as well as put us all off track respective to our subject which is not Freemasonry. Even if it is Luciferian, Masonry is not directly relevant to this thread topic unless it can be noted that they use Black Backgrounds in their websites, which I assume is probably not the case.

Thanks for kindly ceasing the Masonic prose as it offers precious little interest in the pursuit of our topic, and this has now been trice said. Your friends in aprons are surely more inclined to listen to the tremendous achievements of so distinguished a brotherhood of architects of the universe.






BACK ON TOPIC


Regarding the Color Black and Black Magic, here are some references:


"The argument of "magic having no colour, and it is merely the application and use by its user," backs the claim that not everything that is termed as "black magic" has malevolent intentions behind it, and some would consider it to have beneficial and benevolent uses. These uses would include the like of killing of diseases or pests. Practitioners that utilise magic in this way argue that the effect itself is malevolent by causing death (with the above example) to insects, but as an indirect consequence of black magic, good can be a result, such as in the form of less pests around, etc. In this school of thought, there is no separation between benevolent and malevolent magic because there is no universal morality against which magic can be measured."


Black magic


"The Dark Doctrine theory states that black magic is the powers of darkness, usually seen from a Left-Hand Path point of view. This may or may not contrast with white magic, depending on the user's acceptance of dualism."

"White magic would be the original rituals, which embody the tenets of the religion in question. For Buddhism or Hinduism, this might be long and complex prayer sutras. Taoist and Shinto magic would largely be based upon fertility and nature rituals, and..."

"Black magic would be a corruption or misuse of such above rituals, turning the cultural morals of the religion into self-serving or destructive."



Regarding the identity of Lucifer, here are some references:


"Lucifer is a Latin word (from the words lucem ferre), literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions."

"In English, "Lucifer" generally refers to Satan, although the name is not applied to him in the New Testament."


Lucifer


Sandro Botticelli drew Lucifer for Dante's Faust



"In the modern occultism of Madeline Montalban (died 1982)[37] Lucifer's identification as the Morning Star (Venus) equates him with Lumiel, whom she regarded as the Archangel of Light, and among Satanists he is seen as the "Torch of Baphomet" and Azazel."

"In the Satanic Bible of 1969, Lucifer is acknowledged as one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell, particularly that of the East. Lord of the Air, Lucifer has been named "Bringer of Light, the Morning Star, Intellectualism, Enlightenment.""


Regarding Lucifer and Demons:


"The Talmud declares that there are 7,405,926 demons, divided in 72 companies.[22] While most people believe that Lucifer and Satan are different names for the same being, not all scholars subscribe to this view."

"There is more than one instance where demons are said to have come to be, as seen by the sins of the Watchers and the Grigori, of Lilith leaving Adam, of demons such as vampires, impure spirits in Jewish folklore such as the dybbuk, and of wicked humans that have become demons as well."


Demonology


"In modern times, some demonological texts have been written by Christians, usually in a similar vein of Thomas Aquinas, explaining their effects in the world and how faith may lessen or eliminate damage by them. A few Christian authors, such as Jack Chick and John Todd, write with intentions similar to Kramer and Sprenger, proclaiming that demons and their human agents are active in the world. These claims are usually far from mainstream, and often include such beliefs as that Christian rock is a means through which demons influence people."

"In Islam, the devil Iblis or Shaytan was a Jinn (humans are created from Earth, Angels from light, and jinn from 'smokeless fire'). The jinn though, are not necessarily evil; they could be good doers or sinners just like humans. Since the jinn and humans are the only kinds of creation who have the will to choose, the followers of Iblis could be jinn or human. The angels, on the other hand, are sinless and only obey the will of God."

"Traditionally Buddhism affirms the existence of Hells peopled by demons who torment sinners and tempt mortals to sin, or who seek to thwart their enlightenment, with a demon named Mara as chief tempter, "prince of darkness," or "Evil One" in Sanskrit sources."

"The idea of the imminent decline and collapse of the Buddhist religion amid a "great cacophony of demonic influences" was already a significant component of Buddhism when it reached China in the first century C.E., according to Michel Strickmann. Demonic forces had attained enormous power in the world. For some writers of the time this state of affairs had been ordained to serve the higher purpose of effecting a "preliminary cleansing" that would purge and purify humanity in preparation for an ultimate, messianic renewal."

"One form of Indian demon is the raksasas. Their Sanskrit name means the "protectors," and in India were known to haunt caves and trees. They roamed at night, often in animal form, but sometimes disguised as humans and sometimes purely in monstrous form. Strickmann writes that "They belch forth fire, eat meat (including human flesh), drink milk, and disturb ritual offerings"."

"Practitioners of ceremonial magic sometimes attempt to constrain and command demons to do their bidding, using methods such as the Goetia and The Book of Abramelin. The demons are often those mentioned in Christian demonology. These practitioners do not necessarily worship demons, but seek to deploy them to obtain their goals. Other followers of the occult do worship demons, and some refer to their religion as "demonolatry." Demonolators consider methods such as the Goetia very disrespectful towards the demons, and possibly dangerous for the operator. They instead use forms of prayer, magic, and ritual which petition the demons, asking for their aid rather than commanding them. Demonolators are not identical to practitioners of Theistic Satanism. They worship other demons (such as Belial and Leviathan) either alongside, or instead of Satan."


While Lucifer has been cited as one of the 4 Princes of HELL we will note that there are quite a few other demons which people of various convictions invoke for their own purposes.


List of theological demons


And in Binsfeld's classification of Demons, Lucifer is described as tempting people through the sin of PRIDE, as can be read below:


The Hierarchy of Demons


Evangelism: Origins of Demons


[edit on 6-3-2010 by Getsmart]

Originally posted by Getsmart
While Lucifer has been cited as one of the 4 Princes of HELL we will note that there are quite a few other demons which people of various convictions invoke for their own purposes.

While that statement and references made refer mainly to symbology shown through architecture and mythology, there is surely a disagreement in any particular combined representation of them.

If one can not think pandimensionally, then perhaps it all looks insane to plain 3D beings ("C space"). For those that do, these works are quite a medium that continues to amaze people.

It's like, "Oh... you thought that was the 'good book' wait to you see this one."

As long as they choose upon themselves only believe in a limited past and future, then we can only assume they do not want to know anything beyond C space.

In another part of a galaxy, long long ago, far far so close, ... white magic and black magic is still of the same essence to those that balance C space. It's a role of the dice, white or black.

Some continue to worry if it is some chess game, and you can see with a mere roll of dice that there it is more like a coin toss. Football games with their coin toss, on a planet where people even question gravity, and the effects of the LHC, should have people think of the ultimate scientific toy right there... is the coin toss really random... on what level... beyond C space. Maybe that coin toss was natural... maybe not.

reply to post by dzonatas


Dzonatas,


Is there a reason you choose to speak cryptically ? There are those among us who prize clarity more than enigma. Thanks for being referring to things in our usual three or four dimensional terms, or explicit your remarks which stem from your elevated pan-dimensional perspective.

ATS is dark by default because it is better for the eyes over long periods of time according to doctors.

We have a light option for members who prefer that.

Originally posted by AshleyD
ATS is dark by default because it is better for the eyes over long periods of time according to doctors.

We have a light option for members who prefer that.

Hi Ashley,


Thanks for the definitive reply to this thread's initial question. Also I'm sure your avatar image will do much to dispel other concerns.


Regarding the color BLACK and its relation to vibratory energy which represents LIFE, ranging from any real color to bright light, we can consider this latest breakthrough in physics experimentation.


"The new matter is a particularly weird form of antimatter, which is like a mirror-image of regular matter. Every normal particle is thought to have an antimatter partner, and if the two come into contact, they annihilate."

"Among the many particles that resulted from this crash were bizarre objects called anti-hypertritons. Not only are these things antimatter, but they're also what's called strange matter."


Exotic Antimatter Created on Earth


This description of anti-hypertritons points not just to strange matter as it is euphemistically called, but to what people attached to Life Forces might consider an absolute Death Force or True Evil.


Following are examples of such concerns that are similar to historical apprehensions regarding the color Black, but transferred to worries about Dark Antimatter being created for a purpose which might not be strictly scientific.

"Switzerland is also known by the initials CH also known as Confoederatio Helvetica (therefore the abbreviation CH)... In Hebrew, CH is a gate or doorway:"

Chet and the Doorway of Life

"PAN DOOR RA

Gate to All Things

Universe Door"

"gulp - pan and ra are alternative names for satan/saturn/devil/baal etc"

"Could this really be a gate for Cernunnos/pan/saturn/satan to actually manifest in this dimension?? I'm well aware of the black magick/kabbala/witchcraft that's used to evoke demonic entities into this realm by 'them' - but will CERN be a more permanent doorway?? I guess we won't know until it's up and running which, if it is a danger to the planet, will be too late to stop it. A real 'ring' for the 'lord of the rings'. It puts me in mind of the Stargate film with the rings being the mode of tranport for the 'god'."

"Good ol' Kernennos is also a remake of the Greek god Kronos (or vice versa), is the Green Man of celtic legend, and the Hindu Kali the Destroyer (sometimes synonymous with Shiva, depending on what texts you read) and another Egyptian god I can't remember now. Interestingly, there is a statue of Shiva in the entry way to the CERN substation for the ALICE project..."

Cernunnos: The Horned god/(green man/satan)

"Cernunnos - the horned deity of the Celts/Gauls later to become Pan. Pan-dimensional.

Cronus - the Greek derivative from Seb or Geb of the Egyptian Ennead, the 'horned one' later to become the roman god Saturn - Satan.

Kroni - ancient East Indian demon - primordial manifestation of evil - analogous with the Roman Christian Satan - shares many traits with Kali, the Destroyer."

CERN = Cernunnus = Pan = Satan

So we can see that there have been many legitimate preoccupations that at least some of the interest in large particle colliders has been not for purely research purposes but also possibly by Illuminati Luciferians whose focus is in opening a Stargate to their Alien kin from another dimension in laymen's terms called Hell.

Regarding Black and Luciferian symbolic use of it in websites, we can venture into the theoretical field of colors not so much for their symbology but for their relation to vibratory scales and the relation to plasma energy.


For this purpose, we can go back in time the to the 1920's when Edward Maryon wrote an interesting piece on this subject. In his introduction he states:


"This genetic discovery of Biology was proved through the analytic acquaintance with that builder of cosmos, SOUND."


"Therefore, “not only LIFE . . . bestrides other series of phenomena so widely separated as sound vibrations and luminous vibrations on the one hand, and molecular and chemical reactions and particle and colloidal variations on the other; but LIFE also sets up a connection between two series of phenomena which appear as complete strangers to one another.” THESE FACTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO ALL TRUE SCIENCE AND ART BECAUSE THEY ARE LIFE ITSELF."


"If, therefore, sound-waves influence protoplasmic matter and light-waves do analogously the same with all chemical substances which are the constituents of protoplasm, it proves beyond contradiction that all life is in the colloid state, the seat of chemical reactions, and therefore is necessarily a harmonious correlation between chemical activity and colloidal equilibrium."


"Humanity’s inner eye is being illumined in all physical sciences through the Law of Interference, which we might term the “chromatism” of Nature’s Gamut of Vibration."


"In the living animal, including Man, the phenomenon of equilibrium takes a particular form that is characteristic of life, habit."


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We will note incidentally that Maryon doesn't give any mention in his scales of color tones or in his text to Black. For this is the NON COLOR, not the stuff of live = Black is representative of NON LIFE. Black and Antimatter would therefore be related to forces of DEATH given that they mean either the END of vibratory photons which are no longer reflected or the END of all "up" and "down" quarks making up protons and neutrons.


Antimatter is thus the Invisible Dark Matter which KILLS all matter. Can it also be associated with Hell's Dark Forces of Evil which are said to swallow the Sinner's Soul ?

Originally posted by Getsmart
Is there a reason you choose to speak cryptically ? There are those among us who prize clarity more than enigma.

And, yet look at the topic and weak links presented from one another about what is Luciferian.

Maybe what is thought as cryptic sources is merely obfuscated by a lack of knowledge or separation of powers. This is not evil in itself yet such centrifugal force sustains life.

life -> lack -> black -> obfuscation -> fascination -> evil

elevated pan-dimensional perspective.

Unless one truly is only C space of made of C space then it would be rightly to call me or others not only in C space as elevated, if that means anything of direction.

Inferiority is only a state of mind when one allows themselves to feel inferior. If one wants to only be of C space, then that 4-face symbol of a being is the 4 dimensions you subscribe to be.



"OMG are we ever in hicksville"

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My car is black. Does that make it satanic? My kids crayon box has a black crayon in it, is that one a satanic crayon? Night sky is black, is the sky satanic at night? This color logic is redundant, as can easily be seen here.

Originally posted by autowrench
My car is black. Does that make it satanic? My kids crayon box has a black crayon in it, is that one a satanic crayon? Night sky is black, is the sky satanic at night? This color logic is redundant, as can easily be seen here.

Hi Autowrench,


If Jack the Ripper loves to buy Scalpels, this could be relevant to investigating his psychological profile. If in addition Scalpels hold a special symbolic or ritual significance to him and a specific purpose in his slayings, then this also might help understand his motivations and figure out what he is about to do next and how to prevent his crimes.


This, of course, doesn't mean that a Surgeon who buys a Scalpel is Jack the Ripper. Also, Jack's maniacal fascination about Scalpels will not in any way be applicable to a Surgeon equipping himself or herself to operate on a patient. Furthermore, the Scalpel will have an entirely different meaning for the Doctor than for the Assassin, in one case it being an instrument to bring Death and in the other an instrument to save Life.


So the crayon in your kid's box may be black and enable him/her to draw a wonderful, sensitive and artistic picture. The same black crayon in the box of a Luciferian may enable him/her to cast black magic spells and formalize rituals and sacrificial ceremonies.


What we must remember here is that it is not the OBJECT we are examining through the color Black, ie the color itself, it is the SUBJECT we must study to better understand the use of said object for their own particular purpose.


This is why it is interesting to consider that some things might be facilitated by an OBJECT, this is customary in most cults where there are ritual objects used - - a brief glance at the ceremonial decorum in Freemasonry for example shows a strong reliance on costumes, role play, oaths, rituals and hermetic initiation.


If we wanted to investigate Freemasonry, a good place to start might be the reason they all dress in aprons. Is it a reference to their heritage from ancient mystery religions where there was blood letting? I cannot say, and this isn't the thread for such discussion. However, I'd wager that there'd be folks is such a thread who'd incessantly post: My daughter wears an apron when she cooks girl scout cookies, does that make her an Freemason ?

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I was doing some reading today, and came across a good article that does make it sound like ATS may very well be Luciferian. I will not post the link though as I will most likely catch a ban for it. Prob for you know, breaking a rule or something.

I doubt ATS is Luciferian. The elitists that emply government agencies to monitor this site may be Luciferian, but that's something different.

I guess indirectly, yeah...but directly...no. You can blaspheme against the devil here without having your head cut off, but watch out in the future. I'm pretty sure all of our names are in some database labeled "Bad eggs" LOL

Originally posted by Moonman1111
I was doing some reading today, and came across a good article that does make it sound like ATS may very well be Luciferian. I will not post the link though as I will most likely catch a ban for it. Prob for you know, breaking a rule or something.

Hi Moonman,


I wonder if this might have something to do with this article which I haven't had a chance to read yet:


CointelPro


I'll let you know when I find the time to give it my full attention, but a quick word search didn't produce any results for the word "Lucifer"...


BTW, Ashley said ATS isn't Luciferian and she ought to know, she's a Moderator. Plus, you may note that those who are Luciferian seem to be unable to hide it as if they didn't dare shun their God or disown their beliefs. They speak in enigmas and present views upside down or inside out, everything being its contrary in their inverted world. That is very different behavior than straight out making a clear statement.


Also, while the CIA may be an enforcement agency for Luciferian Illuminati Elites, this doesn't make them directly Luciferian themselves, at every level at least. Plus even if a website is associated with the CIA or is a shell for their research and disinformation activities, that doesn't automatically make it a Luciferian website.


GS