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Originally posted by novacs4me
So if we believe that keeping taxes low, and keeping government small, then we are parrots for saying it?
Other possible problems with fiscal stimulus include the time lag between the implementation of the policy and detectable effects in the economy
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Hence the basis for my comment about "parroting" (which had more to do with the quoted comment about Democrats).
In fact, I'll go so far as to say that the conspiracists who shy away from politics will end up presenting incomplete theories, errant analysis, and short-sighted speculation.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Personally I think the best way to really understand the political equation is to not look so much at the contemporary but at the historical actions that led to fundamental changes in the foundational aspects of America.
To examine the circumstances of the day that led to reactions like the Federal Reserve Act, or the Social Security Act, or the New Deal, or the Patriot Act and to examine those nonpartisan external elements that led to partisan reaction.
I am probably more so than most conspiracy oriented because it’s the circumstances and the people involved behind the scenes and their decision making process and who those decisions most benefited that fascinate me for their conspiratorial elements.
In my humble opinion when you start to examine history honestly through objective and extensive sources you do begin to see that one party is just as inclined to carry out a similar action as the other party at those critical junctures of time where the weight of circumstances either make for an ideal political climate to effect a status quo change or necessitate a status quo change.
The political process is by and large a controlled process of preselected candidates run on preformed platforms simply to elicit emotional reactions that then take on the guise of pseudo intellectual issues even though the decisions have generally and genuinely already been made behind the scenes and most of what the politicians are there for is to dress them up in the window and present them to us.
Because of the way so many people are inclined to approach politics as a spectator sport, my team against your team and that inherent need for validation by picking the winning team, in fact the politicians themselves end up through that process attaining near carte blanche support from their parties and it’s members and their constituents even to the point that people ignore the substance and the impact of the very real issues that they are effecting through legislation for people behind the scenes who aren’t involved in that divisive bickering or egomania at all.
General Motors is going to make the maximum dollar contribution to both the Republican and Democratic Candidate in every key race and even the independent ones if polls suggest they have a chance to win.
They hedge their bets for a reason and that reason is getting an apparently partisan dominated body to do something for you does in fact not require being partisan yourself.
Accountability is for the most part nonexistent in government anymore and at best the only thing you can do to hold them accountable is to reject the incumbent for a fresh slate of preselected candidates put to you by the same financial and corporate interests as the last batch who weren’t accountable to those who elected them either.
People would be better served focusing on the issues, on multiple levels and not the political players or labels or platforms.
While a lot of people on ATS are in fact simply political party hacks for lack of a better word, many of us are dyed in the wool conspiracy theorists that really do just scratch our heads and wonder why such people aren’t seeing a bigger and much more complex picture than others aren’t.
It gets hard sometimes trying to discuss and look for the real underlying factors and the real motivations and the real hidden players through all the noise of people who really don’t get and don’t want to get ATS is a conspiracy minded site and more than just an arena for two diametrically opposed sides to battle each other to a draw with the notions and ideas given to them by the people who in fact would prefer to divide the populace in that very unproductive and self defeating endeavor.
Come on up to the next level, the air is fine!
You seem to have covered one to many bases here. Obviously enough, perhaps its the reason why we have taken a heads approach to your reply's on issues as the current. Given that the majority are either dumb founded, or non expressed guarantees us that what we say goes. Although there are people like yourself who tend to create waves. Waves that do benefit in the long run for those who see that reality is a form of perception. But to those who have a limited aspect of perception may see posts like this as a form of aggression. You are definitely one to watch.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The opening post was not intended to be a call-to-action for a focus on exclusively American politics... but to urge all who are concerned about conspiracies and related speculation, not to avoid political topics... in fact, to call for a new focus on politics.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
While international politics are important, the uniquely American disease of intensely divided left/right hatred among the populace appears to be infecting other nations. Is it not important to examine the source of such problems?
Originally posted by mikelee
In fact, I'll go so far as to say that the conspiracists who shy away from politics will end up presenting incomplete theories, errant analysis, and short-sighted speculation.
I agree with that 100%
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Can you point to a moment in history where the supposed economic tenants of a party's traditional actual doctrine (not the skewed assumptions of the "other side") have actually been employed by that party's chief executive?
Democrats think the best way to fix and/or grow the economy is by taxing and spending, while Republicans say that tax cuts and smaller government will grow the economy.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
To me, that's a fine example of "parroting" the media firebrands.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
You can call it "disease" all you want, but you should know that there are millions of Americans who came to the U.S. from leftist dictatorships, and such people will never bow to the left paradim, no matter how many times they call for peace and for a "middle ground".
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
We are experiencing the result of that "middle ground" as we speak, and it has been the cause for the worldwide economic crisis.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
People who have suffered under leftist regimes will not "suddenly wake up and embrace the left", or make any concessions to "meet in the middle", because we have seen what such "concessions" have done in the past.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
This is the same as asking survivors of the holocaust to embrace "a middle ground" with at least some of the same programs, and views which caused the holocaust in the first place.... Those people will not accept even a middle ground.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by mikelee
In fact, I'll go so far as to say that the conspiracists who shy away from politics will end up presenting incomplete theories, errant analysis, and short-sighted speculation.
I agree with that 100%
So would you believe then the warnings from high ranking Russian, and chinese former military officers, and the millions of people who have escaped from Socialist dictatorships, and will you accept the fact that there is a concerted effort by Leftist elitists to take control over the world, and implement a "One World Socialist regime", and "One World economy"?
After all, the economic crisis which we are in will lead us at least closer to a "universal" or "One world Economy", and "One World Socialist regime".
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
For every left dictatorship I can cite 5 that are right wing! South America, Central America and Africa were especially prone to them.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Its always about installing CRONY CAPITALISM with the help of the military. I am sorry but either you don't know what you are talking about or your intentionally confusing the issues.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
What "middle ground"? I find it interesting that you included middle ground within parenthesis! Are you admitting there is no middle ground now?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
With the exception of communism which was a bit too control-oriented but still fairer than capitalism, and the exception of nazi germany and fascist italy which were imperialistic socialists, no country has suffered but rather prospered immensely.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Your analogy is terrible and has nothing to do with left/right/center. It has to do with ethnic cleansing!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Left elitism is a misnomer! Technically it cannot exist because *elitism* and *equality* are diametrically opposities. It like saying black and white are the same, but we all know they are different.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Mainstream Media is trying to fool the gullible so the illuminatti can continue implementing their world domination plans. The russian and chinesse leaders you cite are the ones THAT SOLD OUT both communism and socialism FOR CORPORATE CAPITALISM!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Mainstream Media is trying to fool the gullible so the illuminatti can continue implementing their world domination plans.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The russian and chinesse leaders you cite are the ones THAT SOLD OUT both communism and socialism FOR CORPORATE CAPITALISM!