A Strange Feeling as of Late...

reply to post by amc621


I'm not having a debate with you and turning this thread into another proverbial crap storm. You keep making off topic comments about seeing a doctor. That is all fine and dandy, but you give nothing to the conversation, nor have you. Stick to the conversation at hand, or stop posting. Derailing my thread is not helping your cause. You didn't even reply to the well-thought out and respectful comment I gave to you several pages ago. Is this because you are ignoring the facts to suit your own ends, or are you only here to give "internet advice" as an "anonymous face in the crowd?" You should know, if you really were a counselor, that giving out unwarranted medical advice is a big no-no in the medical community, both in the psychology and bodily medicine worlds. How are we to trust you? Swing the pendulum back your way and use the same tactics that you just used on me. Why should we listen to someone claiming to be a counselor? How do we know your credentials? How do we know you're not just another "armchair doctor" spouting off unwarranted medical information? There are plenty of armchair doctors on this site, and I don't listen to a single one. You know why? Because I don't know their credentials. You want to know my credentials? Well, here they are:

14 Years of Active Paranormal Research and evidence to back that up.
10 Years of Mental and Physical Training to back up my claims.
50+ Clients who have been helped by my advice in this field of study and will attest to that fact.
20 Years of study into paranormal phenomena through books, religious texts, and the like.
Subjecting myself to EEG tests to gain further information on my claims.

And of course, my own personal experiences that I am relating to the members of ATS and the posters in this thread.

I have been to 4 psychologists- no issues.
I have had 3 MRI's in the past 2 years- no issues.
I have a regular physical every year- no issues

I am qualified to talk about this topic and relate my information and experiences in the best way possible.

If you are truly "trying to help" then please, give more research and advice other than "go see a doctor." You are not helping your cause by derailing my thread every 2 pages. Please read my response to you a few pages back, and then come back with a retort.


Good day.

Originally posted by amc621
reply to post by Gradius Maximus

 

What did I say that was not nice????? I have said over and over again that people should AT LEAST LOOK at the option of talking to a Dr. How little you know of the profession or what happens when people can talk about their feelings. YOU and others like you freak out about speaking to a DR. because you are doing the same thing your accusing me of. That is having NO understanding. Do you believe EACH person is a empath?

Let's identify what the issue is here, shall we? You are essentially stating over and over again that any person who claims to be empathic is riddled with anxiety and/or depression. I personally cannot see how you can reach that conclusion, other than that you are basing your opinions on your own personal experiences. That is what each of us do. Having an MSW does not make you the expert on all things depression because you base your findings on your personal reality, as do most people. To state unequivocally that each person claiming to be an empath is not being truthful and is seeking attention only is not only unfair, but a lie. MOST empaths do NOT discuss it in public. For them to do so here implies that they have found a situation that makes them comfortable enough to discuss it. Being empathic can be overwhelming at times and while it can be embraced and enjoyed, it is more often than not NOT wanted because people have a hard time handling their OWN emotions, let alone those of others.

The second point is that you keep espousing visits to doctors. For the most part, we HAVE been to doctors and are perfectly sane, relatively healthy people who are experiencing spiritual and energetic changes that others are experiencing as well. Apparently you have no frame of reference for these changes, and I am sorry you haven't been able to experience them. This does NOT negate them, however, just because you haven't.

You seem to be the only attention seeker here, since you exist in this thread only to impose your own views on others and try to make them conform to YOUR way of thought. This is completely anathema to what we are attempting to do here. Please, while I understand your worry about others and their mental and physical health, keep the snide, rude, and degrading comments to yourself. Offer your thoughts (I will absolutely defend your right to say what you want to say, to a point.) but stop with the comments like you made about people seeking attention, and then maybe we can get along with you.

reply to post by klain


Great idea Klain! I had been thinking about doing something like that for some time. Perhaps I will give a weekly general runic reading for the following week to accompany your tarot reading. We should collaborate and post at the exact same time so we can see if both readings are in-line with each other! I'm glad you are practicing with Tarot. I have been using Tarot for 12 years and have yet to fully master this ancient art. I am a novice at rune reading, so it might be good practice for me to start using this thread as a spring board. You've certainly got my gears turning!


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

reply to post by Ceriddwen


Once again I'll defend myself by saying I said "SOME PEOPLE". Did I not? As you said most empaths do not talk about it, you have no idea what my experience have been. As for "SUGGESTING" people see a Dr. that is because I have a GREAT deal of experience with peopl who have depression or anxiety. I have not once said this is ALL BS. I have given first time posters a OPTION.

Now tell me where my "snide, rude" comments where? Do you know EACH and every poster on this thread? Do you believe there is not ONE looking for attention?????

Please try and see what I am saying. Once again I AM NOT SAYING "This is ALL BS". I'm saying anyone who is experienceing feelings and have NEVER talked to anyone should have the option of talking to a professional.

Someone here accuesed me of not understaning humanity. Are you going to tell me that people who are wondering what may be going on inside them should listen to a faceless poster??????? That's being human???? come on/

reply to post by amc621

There are some on this site who talk over and over about being a empath or special psychic powers/abilities, however they are not being truthful. They are looking for ways to get attention, and make them selfs feel better about their lives.

So, apparently you were not being very specific since you keep stating that you weren't talking about all people claiming to be an empath or have other abilities. This reads like you were stating that those people who claim to be empathic or have other abilities are the ones not being truthful. I guess taking more time formulating your thoughts before posting them might save you a heap of trouble and having to defend yourself. At this point in the argument, it is all semantics.

Had you bother to actually read the ENTIRE THREAD, talking about going to doctors rather than listening to "faceless posters" as you put it, would appear to YOU to be as unnecessary for you to say as it is for US to read it. Ok, you are worried about folks taking what we say as gospel, but you are also insisting that they take what YOU say as the same. Perhaps if you stepped back and just read the interactions between us, rather than posting on what you think you know, you would be more equipped to offer valid (to us) opinions. You have chosen not to do that, and have chosen instead to interject about things you are not fully informed about because you can't be bothered to take the time to read the thread you are posting on.

Do you know EACH and every poster on this thread? Do you believe there is not ONE looking for attention?????

Of course not, but with conversations both on this thread and by PM, we (the regular posters) have come to know quite a bit about each other. If there were not some giving of trust after a while between us, nothing would be said of any value and where would we be? Those that are merely seeking attention are usually sussed out pretty quickly and either called on it or summarily ignored.

I'm saying anyone who is experienceing feelings and have NEVER talked to anyone should have the option of talking to a professional.

I absolutely agree with you, but you are making a HUGE assumption that these folks are coming here without any medical background at all. You are assuming that they haven't contacted doctors or other professionals. I am SURE that some haven't. They are USUALLY told, by one of us, to try that path first and then come back and talk with us. Again, READING THE THREAD is a great idea.

reply to post by truthseeker1984


Sorry missed your post pages ago. I am not giving medical advice. I am saying talk to a professional. What is wrong with that?

I thought you were a substitute teacher, didn't you post that once before??

I'm not asking for any credentials, nor have I criticized you directly. I've said "SOME". And just suggested to some new posters to have the option of speaking to a professional.

Is there something wrong with that? Why does my suggestion upset you so much?

reply to post by Ceriddwen


I see, Well I believe in empaths, however yourself and mr truthseeker certainly get upset with my post, that doesn't give me the impression of someone who truly believes in themselves.

For all you empaths. Can you tell me why there never seem to be a feeling about good things happening? Why is it MOSTLY doom? When nothing "doomish" doesn't happen what do you think about your previous feelings? Do you reflect about what that "doomish" feeling was? If you have a feeling of something bad going to happen today, how long should that premonition last? Is there a "expiry date"? What I mean is do you ever look back and question why you felt the way you did, yet nothing happened?

This post was written with NO SARCASM. I am trulying trying to understand something that posters here are pastionate about.

Originally posted by amc621
reply to post by Ceriddwen

 

I see, Well I believe in empaths, however yourself and mr truthseeker certainly get upset with my post, that doesn't give me the impression of someone who truly believes in themselves.

For all you empaths. Can you tell me why there never seem to be a feeling about good things happening? Why is it MOSTLY doom? When nothing "doomish" doesn't happen what do you think about your previous feelings? Do you reflect about what that "doomish" feeling was? If you have a feeling of something bad going to happen today, how long should that premonition last? Is there a "expiry date"? What I mean is do you ever look back and question why you felt the way you did, yet nothing happened?

This post was written with NO SARCASM. I am trulying trying to understand something that posters here are pastionate about.

I am not upset at your post. I am trying to help you to understand why sometimes things you say can be viewed as offensive. You may not get the impression that TS and I don't believe in ourselves, but again, that is YOUR viewpoint. A strange one too, IMO.

As for there almost never being a feeling of good things happening, this is DIRECTLY REFLECTIVE of your NOT READING THE THREAD. Case in point, and a good one, is Sol. My goodness, it gets old stating it over and over again. READ THE THREAD. THEN come back and ask questions.

Let's answer those other questions in general now. Yes, I have gotten strange or negative vibes before and not have not seen a direct reason for those feelings. Later, I might find that someone close to me experienced something negative at that time and that was what I was feeling. If you truly believe in empaths, then you understand that being psychic and being empathic are two entirely different things. I have had psychic flashes before, but I ascribe that more to being in touch emotionally with those I am getting those flashes about, than to being about any actual psychic abilities.

What we, as empaths in this thread, have begun experiencing is more emotional connection to ALL things in the world and to the world in general. We are discovering that sometimes when we get those vibes and cannot find a source in our immediate lives, we find connections ( down to the hour or less at times) in the world as a whole. Again, reading the thread will prove beneficial to you. We are also, as posters in this thread, having members suddenly (or gradually, as you will) finding themselves opening to and experiencing empathic traits where none previously existed. This is happening because they are opening their minds and bodies to the new powerful energies pulsing in the world, and this is allowing them to make contact with what I believe is the innate human ability to be empathic.

reply to post by amc621

I thought you were a substitute teacher, didn't you post that once before??

Yes, I am a working professional with a B.Ed., M.Ed, and M.A. Not to mention enough credits to have claimed psychology as a minor degree. I am a working professional, and have spent most, if not all of my free time researching these phenomena over the years. I felt so inclined to post my credentials ON THIS TOPIC, in hopes of it holding some weight with you and the people you are preaching to.

Is there something wrong with that? Why does my suggestion upset you so much?

NO! And that's what me and Ceri were trying to say all along! We have regularly told posters in this thread to see an MD if the case sounds suspicious. I have enough experience in MY field to tell when someone is "lying" and when someone is being "truthful." Your suggestion upsets me because of this fact! It also upsets me because you start throwing around your "professional experience" when in reality, we have no idea who you are. You could be the mentally ill patient that you are claiming that "most" of the posters that post in these threads are! The same could go for me as I would imagine you would say, and yes, we are at an impasse regarding that matter.

however yourself and mr truthseeker certainly get upset with my post, that doesn't give me the impression of someone who truly believes in themselves.

Don't mistake me defending the objective of this thread with showing weakness. I assure you I am not weak, and will fight with everything I have to make this topic reach the scientific community. If you want to take a pot shot at someone, look in the mirror and question what your goal is posting to only this thread in regards to your point of view. There are hundreds of threads relating to this topic, yet you seem to only target ours. Are you worried that I am trying to start a cult? Are you worried that I'm leading people astray? Well, worry not. It is not my purpose. My only purpose is to make people aware of the things that science can not and will not explain. If you want to look at it from a scientific point of view, I am collecting empirical data on these events.

In case you don't know what empirical data is, here's a quote from wikipedia:

The term empirical was originally used to refer to certain ancient Greek practitioners of medicine who rejected adherence to the dogmatic doctrines of the day, preferring instead to rely on the observation of phenomena as perceived in experience. Later empiricism referred to a theory of knowledge in philosophy which adheres to the principle that knowledge arises from experience and evidence gathered specifically using the senses. In scientific use the term empirical refers to the gathering of data using only evidence that is observable by the senses or in some cases using calibrated scientific instruments. What early philosophers described as empiricist and empirical research have in common is the dependence on observable data to formulate and test theories and come to conclusions.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

I am trulying trying to understand something that posters here are pastionate about.

Read the post I made to you a few pages back. That should explain my thoughts on this topic. Here is the link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I am done defending my position on this topic. The ball is in your court.


Good day.

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
reply to post by amc621

Are you worried that I am trying to start a cult?

Thats a great idea! Lets get one going, Who should we elect as our holy leader?

I vote Solar E

Originally posted by Gradius Maximus

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
reply to post by amc621

Are you worried that I am trying to start a cult?

Thats a great idea! Lets get one going, Who should we elect as our holy leader?

I vote Solar E

edit on 15-11-2010 by Gradius Maximus because: (no reason given)

Awww! I was going to self-nominate myself!



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

reply to post by amc621


If you are gonna come into our thread bringing negativity and disruption, then you should realize that this energy is as we speak headed right back in your direction. It is a simple fact of life, what goes around, comes around. have fun.

Uuuh, Why when I don't buy internet you post this much, people =(!?

Well, well, well. It's against my religion to fed the trolls, but in this ocasion, I feel that I need to say something about what this new person said, because, there's some of truth on it.
This time I'm speaking of myself and not generalizing, please take this into account.

AMC, In some partiicular cases, like me or some other people, depression and anxiety are not the cause, but a side effect. When you feel that there's something important going to happen, some people that have a genetic predisposal to depression start to feel symptoms, all related to frustration by seeing you can't do anything to help others. I know that not everyone is the same, but in my particular case (again) it is. Right now, I'm feeling like s... because I can FEEL that my uncle IS dieing and suffering, and also I CAN FEEL the sadness and emotional shattering in my other family members like the aunt I live with. Also I CAN FEEL the urge of the souls dieing in Haiti, and other particular facts happening in our world. Believe me, there's something on the stove that stinks, and it's going to be ready soon...

If it helps you to get a good sleep tonight, I'm starting to visit my therapist this week. "No matter how much you hate the machine, you are (still) part of it" is one of my mottos and now I'm screwing up MY life because of another's feelings. You don't know how much I'd love to be able to cut the emotional ties I have with almost every senteint being in the world but I just can't, neither the others.
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Welcome to our new family member too!!! I owe you the welcome cookies, I just ate them =(! (really, those were sandwich vanilla waffers with coconut cream cookies =(!)

@Truth: hey, since I'm able to write again, it would be great to write something about this thread, even if it's just an entry on my blog. I'll give it a try! let's see what happen

The only "mancy" I can do pretty well is IChing, but it's a little bit personal IMHO. Maybe tomorrow I'll throw some coins to have a hint of what's gonna happen.

Kisses to you all,
- Cags

ps: I vote POR Sol!!!

Originally posted by Caggy
Uuuh, Why when I don't buy internet you post this much, people =(!?

AMC, In some partiicular cases, like me or some other people, depression and anxiety are not the cause, but a side effect. When you feel that there's something important going to happen, some people that have a genetic predisposal to depression start to feel symptoms, all related to frustration by seeing you can't do anything to help others. I know that not everyone is the same, but in my particular case (again) it is. Right now, I'm feeling like s... because I can FEEL that my uncle IS dieing and suffering, and also I CAN FEEL the sadness and emotional shattering in my other family members like the aunt I live with. Also I CAN FEEL the urge of the souls dieing in Haiti, and other particular facts happening in our world. Believe me, there's something on the stove that stinks, and it's going to be ready soon...

This is exactly how I FEEL. Im not so much concerned with myself as I am for my family and new little nephew. I cant explain it but I just have a bad feeling i don't know about what but its there.

To AMC I never once said I have "special powers" I just mentioned what I feel. I believe everyone has the "gift" of feeling. As a child this is shown by an overwhelming sense of being "drawn" to a mother. Children can "sense" there mother and many times vice verse (postpartum). As children the same thing occurs with nightmares and "imaginary" friends. As adults many "CHOOSE" not to accept these "feelings", that isn't a gift but a choice. Ever felt like going into a place or situation that you FEEL something just isn't right? Maybe been lied too and you knew that it wasn't truth? This is the exact FEELING you dismiss so easily. I do not possess special "powers" or believe I am grander than the next person. I'm sorry that it might have come across like that. As for the doctor, I was taken to one when I was younger, just so you know my "FEELINGS" were much much stronger then and was told I needed meds. For 5 years I took them and I did not "feel" anymore. It was actually a very empty feeling and probably the worst time in my life. I felt voided almost drone like. I do not think that self medication is the answer although many think they "need" it right off the bat.

I want to thank you guys for your kind comments and I have decided to start meditating and finding more ways to "find" these feelings. I have read alot about negative energies and not cleansing yourself. Hopefully this will work and could be the reason for these feelings I have. I guess more than anything is now I realize that instead of constantly "waiting" for something to happen it would be more productive to focus on "working" for something (i.e. finding my peace which has been lacking for sometime). Thanks again.

Peace and contentment,
P.o.E

Originally posted by amc621
reply to post by Ceriddwen

 

I see, Well I believe in empaths, however yourself and mr truthseeker certainly get upset with my post, that doesn't give me the impression of someone who truly believes in themselves.

For all you empaths. Can you tell me why there never seem to be a feeling about good things happening? Why is it MOSTLY doom? When nothing "doomish" doesn't happen what do you think about your previous feelings? Do you reflect about what that "doomish" feeling was? If you have a feeling of something bad going to happen today, how long should that premonition last? Is there a "expiry date"? What I mean is do you ever look back and question why you felt the way you did, yet nothing happened?

This post was written with NO SARCASM. I am trulying trying to understand something that posters here are pastionate about.

I think these are valid questions and I will explain a little of my feelings to try and shed some more light possibly.

For me it wasn't always doom that I was feeling, sometimes I felt happy or if something good was coming my way (Karma??? Who knows exactly) I think it wasn't until 7-8 that the doomish feelings became dominant. I believe this reason is that the "doomish" feelings feed into everyone's fears of not being able to protect loved ones from something malevolent. As I grew older stresses and fears increased. Feelings of loved ones dying and then it happening really changed my outlooks. I then became obsessed in trying to "save" everyone I loved that I could. It has consumed me even when I was very "religious". As time passed and more of my feelings of impending doom came true the harder I looked to try and warn those of what I felt. Some times they were specific places, things, times, or situations. Most of the time that didn't happen and it was a warning to be aware. I don't think that there was a time after it that I focused on the good feelings or happy things because I was always sure the next negative thing was close to follow. It is always easier to look at the bad things over the good. Its kinda funny to me now that I read this post and sat and thought about it, how negative that type of life is. We are always trying to control a situation (i.e. Work, Bills, Money, Wants, Love) instead of just enjoying the moments. I'm sorry I'm rambling. I know this isn't a direct answer but maybe my experiences could at least possibly help some understand better.

I wish I could articulate it better but I made an attempt. Lol.

Hope this helps AMC

P.o.E

P.s. I forgot to answer your last questions.

I personally can't speak for anyone else but myself but if something doesn't happen in terms of doom I constantly think about why and what could be the reason. In fact it makes it worse and often over think about it, to be honest I have often question my sanity because of certain things not happening. Again I cant speak for others but I would say that my feelings have ending dates such as a general time frame maybe weeks or a month but it is not a general now until infinity until it happens feeling. Sometimes it can be more specific like dates, times, places. Recently I told my sister to drive on a specific highway at a certain time because I felt something would happen. It did and she wasn't involved because she avoided it. Could very well be a Broad chance of luck but it happens, used to happen much more when I was younger. Hope this helps some.

Again those who don't want to believe won't understand. I get "needing facts to prove it" , but sometimes "needing" facts, not gettting them and then dismissing them is not wise. Science cant predict or explain that outside of the natural world.

I posted something quite a few pages back, but it'll take a while to find it. I'm at work now, so don't really have that time.

But just for you amc621, I'll repeat it, but before I do, I feel an affinity and a love for every poster here that goes way beyond these 3 dimensions.
I've come to see them ALL as a family - people who unconditionally listen and share without fear of judgement or reprisal.
This thread is somewhere where I can talk freely about things which wouldn't be able to do otherwise. When I first saw the title of this tread, my heart jumped - I identified with it straight away. I also had (and will always have) a huge respect for Truthseeker for having the guts to start it. If he hadn't, I would've felt like I was the only one. I'm not, and for that, I'm eternally grateful.

Anyway, I came to this thread believing that what I was feeling was a sense of doom or dread for something about to happen.
As more and more posters joined in, I came to a realisation that it's not dread. It's an anticipation.
The only reason we think it's dread or doom is because were haven't felt anything like this before. The REASON we haven't felt like this before is that, as Gradius alluded to, the veil has fallen away. For the first time in 27 years, I understand...and my eyes (3rd eye included!! :lol are open.

My opinion of the human mind is that it works on a premise that if something is unknown, it's wrong and we generally fear what we don't know or understand.
I understand that fear is an illusion and it's an illusion that will stop you from realising your full potential.
So if I now do not fear, I know that what I'm feeling isn't doom & gloom - it's an anticipation.

I mean no disrespect to you whatsoever amc621, but you sound like the veil hasn't fallen away for you as much as it has for all of us who post here. It will happen for you at some stage, or maybe you don't want it to. That's ok though.
When it does though, we'll be here for you to talk to. Again, that's your choice, but please don't come on just to say that we should see doctors etc.
How much of the thread have you read?


Much love...

Enoch, I just have to say that what you said has made me smile, once again. I am very thankful for your opinions and personal experiences on the matter. The fact that you can articulate your experiences into something that everybody can digest is even better! It is sometimes hard for people feeling weird things to clearly articulate what is going on with them. You have just helped me greatly in my search of truth and knowledge. I've done some cross-referencing with different scientific studies based on mother/offspring relationships and other such things, and if I get time today, I'll post them. I'm off to teach psychology today, and because I know the teacher, they are going to let me do a mini-presentation on parapsychology! I'm very excited!

Zoso, I love you to bud. Thank you for your words.




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

reply to post by truthseeker1984


Parapsychology is a lecture I would love to go to once in my life.

reply to post by klain


Yeah - I'll second that! I don't really know too much about the in's and out's, but from what I don know, I'd love to hear more.

Good luck TS!


Much love...

reply to post by zosomike


I'm basing it from the standpoint of a paranormal investigator so hopefully the class will be receptive to what I have to say!


Peace be with you.

truthseeker