The Tainted Word of God

Originally posted by Dasher
Otherwise, I really don't understand what you are communicating since we are all provably cousins.

I wouldn't go that far, since my impression about MAN and ADAM are distinctly different than yours.

I believe 6th Day man was JUST LIKE ADAM in every way, but "Race". I believe the Races, where First on this Earth, and preceded ADAM by many thousands of years.

But I also do not believe they where any less of a Life Form than Adam, the Farmer.

All things being Equal.

But this is MY Impression and Opinion. You have yours and have expressed it quite well.

That is the Nice things about ATS.

We can share views and thoughts apposed to saying, Mine is right, yours is wrong, or vis versa. Maybe We're both wrong, and someone else was right. Bottomline is, sharing and expressing views leads to better understanding and discussion, regardless if these views are differing or share common ground.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by 547000
I think the "false teachers" have already infiltrated the church and distorted the teachings of Christ by calling any other interpretation than what the state of Rome wanted people to believe a heresy.

THEY, the "False Teachers" where there in 30 AD through those 3 (three) years of Christ's Ministry. Everywhere Jesus Preached, his endings of those seroms always touched upon the False Teachers and Wolves leading the Sheep astray.

Woe upto them......

I noted this previously in Some Topic, but we seem to only LOOK AT 1/3 of the Teachings of Christ and ignore the other 2/3's

The Casting of Demons and WOE to the Wolfs.

I wonder why??????

No, your view is quite accurate, but I just thought the False Teachers where there prior to the Babylonian Captivity, and they came back worst.

Even Paul notes this problem in his second letter to the Thessalonians. The Teachings had been distorted from the time of his first letter until the second.

There is Nothing New, and in the case of the Theocracy of the Church, things never change. Power Corrupts, and you know the rest.

Ciao

Shane

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As with many they always believe that God whose name is Jesus can not have men write the Bible with out error, even in translation.

They believe that God is not powerful enough to have his word wrote down for all to see without error.

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Many make claims that there are errors but can not prove such nor do they offer up the examples, or even examine the claims that others say are the errors.

As it is ignorance to except for fact others interpretations without examining for yourself

reply to post by ACTS 2:38


I'm not sure what you mean.

Is your reply directed at me ? Or, is it your answer on topic ?

reply to post by nomorecruelty


I must say AMEN AMEN AMEN to that and a praise the Lord,

I second that statement and give it a great big halelujah

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thankyou, NightGypsy, very well written.

reply to post by Shane

THE BIBLE IS THE FAMILY TREE OF CHRIST. From Adam to Jesus. It is there, in depth, along with all the others Nations/Peoples.

Sigh....Christ is not mentioned in the OT. The New Testament was written over 200 years after the fact. The best that scholars have come up with so far is about 120 years after Jesus died for the gospels. The rest was written over the next 200 years. Emperor Constantine put a counsel together in 325 to vote on what was to be included in the Bible. They rejected about 80% of what was available. (wonder what was in the texts they discarded?)

The next Emperor, Licinius, tried to destroy everything in about 400 and a Bishop in about 800 decided he was going to start his own religion, translated the Greek version of the Bible into latin, declared himself pope and created the Roman Catholic religion. Your present Bible is the many times re-written and re-translated version of that.

Ever notice how easy it is to research? It is called a search engine.
Here is mine: clusty.com...

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by orangutang

 

Yes !

I think so to. But I'm willing to take it a step further.

I think all evil what we ( mankind ) label as so. To all be a cause of our own humanity.

Good and evil are in fact one an opposing force but each one a side of the same coin. Like Jin and Yang.

The 7 sins I believe to be a result of a survival mechanism what never turned of. If you like you can read it all right Here.

It explains why I think so.

If I may ask, what is your current opinion on the matter ?
And.
What do you believe ?

yes, i agree on the evil bit. isaih or somewhere also states that god created satan. (of course god, being omniscient) would know he would fall from grace because he made it possible)

i was sent to a protestant sunday school as a 7 or 9 year old. whatever was nearest, baptist or gospel church or whatever. and i am grateful that i managed to study the bible, although not in its entirety. as a teenager, we had moved and no longer went to any religeous institution. the bible seemed like a fairy story. i could not accept the interpretation placed on it by my teachers.

at the end of my teens i became aware of yoga philosophy and read extensively. i realised my line of least resistence was gnani yoga, or the yoga of the intellect using the minds highest faculty, discrimination. i also began hatha yoga and have yet to cease.

slowly i began to understand the bible. or at least the parts that indicate an approach to god. (i was not intersted in any geneology and i wanted straight answers.) it was a fairy story no longer. and jesus was not j. christ as a surname, but the man jesus had achieved a lofty state of consciousness. cosmic consciousness perhaps, as described in a book of that name by richard bucke i believe.

god alone is. fullstop! i can conclude nought else. we all must be god pretending we're not. if somewhere, someone, or some quality is not god then he is limited; and something higher runs the show. ultimately, there is only god.

the sense of "i am" is like a skin separating eternal spirit from body/ mind complex. its like squeezing your hand and feeling there is something inside it, only to find there is nothing there when you open it.

our biggest problem is identifying with the body/mind. all spiritual paths are out to destroy that. some are slow and easy and some are tougher and quicker.

i agree that control of mankind is the motive for christianity as it is today. i think much was changed/modified in the early centuries. and much was copied from earlier religions. many faiths started with the virgin birth story.
the DVD "zeitgeist" describes this well.

for those who want to "cut through" all superflous word nonsense; the writings of ramana maharshi and nisagadatta will be most satisfying.

Amazing though that it preserves perfectly every bit of info (at least in duplicate but sometimes in multiplicity to redundancy!) needed to reconstruct it entirely -with the exception of the Calendar restored by the preserved Dead Sea Scrolls and the Hebrew Alphabetic Mother-script refound in Petroglyphs and Inscriptions!

Now that we have His monospace Handwriting (from the fixed stars of the Zodiac) the two tablets of the original Agreement (Exo-His Dt-0urs) have been restored proving that they were recorded and copied sufficient for their recreating again -and the 613 letters only plot upon each of the tablets one way, a perfect fit!

reply to post by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU


I'm sorry but would you mind to share where you referring to ?



Edit.
Unless you are talking about your avatar. I'm

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How much are you willing to know?
This could be a new thread!

reply to post by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU


Well... everything.

If it's not to much to ask.

As with many they always believe that God whose name is Jesus can not have men write the Bible with out error, even in translation.

They believe that God is not powerful enough to have his word wrote down for all to see without error.


[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Many make claims that there are errors but can not prove such nor do they offer up the examples, or even examine the claims that others say are the errors.

reply to post by ACTS 2:38


Just a few notes.

1. Jesus did not write the Bible.

2. If you want to prove the validity of the Bible, you cannot do it by quoting bible verses. That's like saying "Stephen King is God because in his book The Shining he states he is god." See the problem? This is logic at its finest.

3. There are many contradictions in the Bible. Some are minor and easily explained, while others are a lot more difficult to refute. One of the biggest I can think of off the top of my head (sorry, don't have my bible with me and can't use my concordance) involves the portrayal of God in the OT versus NT. I'll be happy to give you more concrete versions this evening.

As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of inconsistencies in the bible.
And also many contradictions. But, for some reason, many christians fail to see them, or pay attention to them. After all, how could the good book of an omnipotent being be incorrect? I don't blame them for a minute, if you believe something and that belief is shaken, that is a scary thing.
However, with those inconsistencies in the back of my head, I fail to understand how christians can be so patronizing towards other peoples beliefs, claiming their religion is the only true one, and why? Because the bible says so.

" jesus loves me, this I know, for the bible tells me so.."

I have read the bible a lot and I always wondered why people thought the god of the old and new testament were one and the same.
People despise me for being a Satanist, while they worship a god that killed thousands and thousands in the old testament, sometimes by his hand, and sometimes by the israelites when he told them to do so.
If you would not obey his rules, you'd be sentenced to death.
Isn't that what we call a dictator, nowadays? And I'm the one 'worshipping' the bad guy...

I'm sure the bible can be a source of inspiration for many, as there are also good things to find in there. But even though it may be the most bought book in the world, I still prefer ' the Shining'. Thanks, Stephen!

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Shane

 

THE BIBLE IS THE FAMILY TREE OF CHRIST. From Adam to Jesus. It is there, in depth, along with all the others Nations/Peoples.

Sigh....Christ is not mentioned in the OT.

Excuse me, but I would have a different view of such things, and maybe you would be interested. Then again, you may not, but it's too late now for that. Your getting it anyways.

Adam thru to Christ

This is a Family Tree, which I expect is the easiest method to offer in respects to my contention that this is what the Bible Is. Christ's Family Tree from Adam. It are a great many other Families included as well, but the Family Tree is there. Begining to End.

As for your comments, The Old Testament is Full of Prophecy about the Messiah, starting as early as Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

No, there may not be anything about JESUS, per se, noted in the Old Testament, but this is just in Name. HE is foretold Countless times in O.T. Prophecy.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by DarknessFollows
As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of inconsistencies in the bible.
And also many contradictions......

However, with those inconsistencies in the back of my head,.....

As noted previously my Dark friend, we see many CLAIMING such, with no examples offered so us sheep can learn of these problems within the Scriptures.

I have read the bible a lot and I always wondered why people thought the god of the old and new testament were one and the same.

GOD is the ONLY consistant thing that has ever had HIS presence upon this Earth. I see no difference displayed or highlighted that would suggest such a thing. Again, it would be nice if these alter ego suggestive materials could be presented inorder for us less enlightened to learn from.

People despise me for being a Satanist,...

IF this is the case, that should cease. Your are entitled to share and express your beliefs as anyone else can within this Forum without fear of harrassment from others.

....while they worship a god that killed thousands and thousands in the old testament, sometimes by his hand, and sometimes by the israelites when he told them to do so.

The Same GOD that saved Egypt from starvation.
The Same GOD that created this Planet and it's Flora and Fauna.
The Same GOD that you master still bends to.

Yes, your statement is accurate, but this is the result of SIN. Your accuracy only goes so far, I take it my friend.

If you would not obey his rules, you'd be sentenced to death.
Isn't that what we call a dictator, nowadays? And I'm the one 'worshipping' the bad guy...

And your the one "worshipping" THE bad guy... Due specifically to His influences on this planet, you are able to refer to things such as GOD striking Peoples or Places from existance.

As for Dictator, let see how this sounds.

I have free will.
I have free will to decide, as you also do and have opted to utilize, what I wish to believe.
I have free will to accept living in accordance with Guidelines which on the whole, do tend to keep civility at it's highest level, in exchange for an opportunity to be where you master will not be welcomed in the coming years.
I have free will to make choices, whether good or bad.

And personally, I liked The Stand.

Ciao

Shane



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GOD is the ONLY consistant thing that has ever had HIS presence upon this Earth. I see no difference displayed or highlighted that would suggest such a thing. Again, it would be nice if these alter ego suggestive materials could be presented inorder for us less enlightened to learn from.

That is not a fact, that is your opinion, or your belief based on the bible.
What are your other sources that god is the only consistent thing? Many religions know many other gods. Wouldn't it make more sense to present all of this as your intepretation, rather than facts?

Originally posted by DarknessFollows As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of inconsistencies in the bible. And also many contradictions...... However, with those inconsistencies in the back of my head,..... As noted previously my Dark friend, we see many CLAIMING such, with no examples offered so us sheep can learn of these problems within the Scriptures.

I have had this discussion with christians several times before. There is a lot of information online available about inconstincies in the bible. When I first started looking in to those, I was still trying to proof to myself that i hadn't wasted years of my life with the religion I was brought up with. I wasn't looking for a way to bash chrsitianity, but on a serious search for knowledge.

www.bibleblunders.com...

www.skeptically.org...

www.theistic-satanism.org...

I have heard many christian explanations for those inconsistencies. While some of them can be dismissed because they were taken out of context, a lot of them remain.

The Same GOD that saved Egypt from starvation. The Same GOD that created this Planet and it's Flora and Fauna. The Same GOD that you master still bends to.

This might be your truth, not mine. You see, to me Satan is one of many deities, the god of the Earth. Following him at this point of my life is beneficial for me now. He is also not my master. I'm a pupil, not a servant.

This is my truth, however. I don't claim to be right. I do not try to force others to believe what I believe. As a matter of fact, I don't give a hooch what somebody else believes. If it works for them, fine. If christianity works for you, that's great. But don't use the bible to present things about god and religion as facts.
And don't try to present your religion as the only 'real one', when all there is to support your claim is the bible, a book that is not as foolproof as claimed, considering the inconsistencies. If the bible is the word of god, and god is omnipotent, as christianity claims, there should be no flaws in that book.
Unless the bible is written by people inspired by god, but then it is not the actual word of god and there might be more errors. Or god did order it written but couldn't keep out the inconcistencies, because he is not omnipotent, just a good text writer with one heck of a marketing strategy.

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No, Occam's Razor is a basic scientific principle and it says: All things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one.

So what's more likely? That an all-powerful, mysterious God created the Universe, and decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that He simply doesn't exist at all, and that we created Him, so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone?

-from the movie contact

so what do you guys say to that huh? huh? enough with religious rubbish i say

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yes the bible is very contradictory ...it preaches against paganism but in actuality it is a collection of pagan stories wrote by the masters of deception..it says it all in the tower of babel let US go down and and divide there language so they cannot unify and be gods themselves! i do believe they planted seeds of truth in the bible but u have to know ur stuff as in symbology, numerology, astronomy and astrology in order to know the true meanings behind the verses because are languages have been dividing the translation more and more. the bible is so large u have to know the structure of the text like a chuck missler or perry stone in order to get anything besides good values out of it...lol i will give it that!

Originally posted by DarknessFollows
That is not a fact, that is your opinion,.....

I trust you are pleased by my Original post, and trust this will also be taken and considered with an appropriate response my Dark Friend.

That's FACT.

I do not need the "Bible" to give me a basis of belief that expresses this premise. It is evident in the Earth itself. It is an inherent visual that defies dismissal.

I have had this discussion with christians several times before.

Hardly "credible".

I want YOUR response my dear. You have these "in the back of your head", so let's bring these thoughts YOU harbour to the forefront and discuss this rationally, without fear of attacks by the weak minded.

I promise to you, I will respond inkind, and IF some feel the urge to take shots at your views, and attack you personally. I will STAND for the rights you have to express your views here within this forum.

I was still trying to proof to myself that i hadn't wasted years of my life with the religion I was brought up with.

See, AN honest and personal Response. Excellent

As for that response, I must say to you, THIS MAYBE YOUR BASIC MISTAKE, and reasoning alone for much of the concerns you may have had.

RELIGION is a FARCE in itself. MANY Christains within this forum will attest to this, and not find your presumptions out of line. This is due directly to BIBLICAL IGNORANCE, and can be laid at rest, at the feet of the Preists, Ministers, Rabbis, Pastors, Clergy, and whatever else they would wish to be called, who desire to promote their BRAND, apposed to the Word of GOD.

But I can only NOW Speak in presumptions because outside of acknowledging your early introduction was based upon a Religion, we know NOTHING about your true concerns.

Give it some thought. It would be helpful, in replying in "Context" to something specific.

This might be your truth, not mine. You see, to me Satan is one of many deities, the god of the Earth.

Well my dear, you maybe surprised by this.

You see, to me, Satan is one of many "deities" and infact god of this earth. I have no difficulties in respects to this. It is FACT. And this is directly from a Source you "wish" or at least have implied, I can not utilize to support my Views. Go Figure.

I was going to respond to the next remarks, but instead I will plagerize YOU so some extent.

"I don't claim to be right.
I do not try to force others to believe what I believe.
As a matter of fact, I don't give a hooch what somebody else believes. If it works for them, fine.
If 'satanism' works for you, that's great."

I am not going to point fingers and claim to be "holier than thou".

IF WE, (in a collective sense) were living 500 Years ago or so, WE, (you and me) would have both been Burned at the Stake. You, for the obvious reasons, and me, for heresy.

But I do believe, IT IS WITHIN MY RIGHT to offer views and considerations for others to ponder and reflect upon. I am not saying I am right.

I am asking, have you taken into account, "this" or "that", (whatever the case maybe). I just wish to see fairness in presentation of Views. Both sides expressing their views and discussing these calmly and civily

As I noted earlier, I also believe this is applicable to anyone else, including you my Dark Friend.