The Tainted Word of God

I feel I've been at the receiving side of a thousands of years old deception !

Recently I was confronted with a lot of religion inspired threads and opinions that send the shivers through my spine.

This is why I am writing this thread.

Throughout history it has been taught that the bible is the "Word of God." And many people believe that it IS the Word of God! The words, "Word of God" imply that the bible has NOT been edited in any way shape or form.

A few years ago I became aware of this. I thought it out all by myself using what I was learned and what I experienced in life. I've found a lot more for this "opinion" of mine after I came to this conclusion to back it up.

This is what I'm going to present to you. My reason ? Your honest opinions and knowledge about my findings and to discus them of course.

I'd like to remind you of the ATS General ATS discussion etiquette

I'm occasionally confronted with members who thought my reply was insulting them. Please ? Believe me when I say, my replies are never ever meant to insult ( unless I feel insulted )

anyone ! If you do feel insulted, Just ask I will explain myself. I usually do the same.

Sources are The bible, ATS, My experience and a lot of impossible to confirm internet sites.

Here I go !

The Holy Bible has a total of 66 books within it. 39 books are within the Old Testament and 27 books are in the New Testament. The word "Bible" is plural for more than one book. Hence, the Bible is a book of books.

Special church councils were responsible for many of the changes and deletions to the New Testament. This process began as early as 325 A.D. during the First Council of Nicea, and continued well into the 12Th century.

Since Satan controls this world you must not put it past him to take Gods word and twist it! If you study the Bible, be careful. Otherwise Satan will lead you astray.

Revisiting Genesis.

The Adam - A slave to the gods
The story of Adam & Eve is widely misunderstood by both the Christian community and Evolutionists. Many people actually think that the entire human race stemmed from just two individuals named Adam & Eve. Evolutionists claim that we all originated from a "soup," while Christians fail to recognize that there is far more information in the ORIGINAL bible then the translated versions.

I think the Annunaki myth comes nearest to my believe of what happened. I must make it clear, aliens are by no means part of my understanding but I don't rule them out either.

Annunaki Wiki link.

Exploring the Annunaki myth.

Annunaki I ( You tube )
Annunaki II ( You Tube )

ATS search. Thread page.


Ok.

Now for the editing part.

There are a number of books and scriptures left out of the bible.
I'm not going to mention them. I found a Thread on ATS what is mentioning them all.
Text banned from the bible. By Hollywood11

Beside the rediscovered holy scriptures and and our history as it's learned at school. We know a Roman or Byzantine (East Roman Empire ) emperor who decided to unite the churge. Well... Usually those decisions from high up are meant for control of the masses. Also, it isn't uncommon for an emperor to act or think as a lunatic.

And last but not least the obvious censorship what has taken place at the time.
How convenient it is only the scriptures that are around, work in favour of the churge.
Scriptures rediscovered are often a writing what could break away the foundations of our present day institute called churge.

Banned from the bible 1/12 ( You tube History channel )

So.
Quite a list huh...

The reason I do not comment the links is because the subject is clear and you're interested or not.

I have found the bible to be contradicting it self. The only answers I get asking about them. Contain beautiful explanations but never an answer.

I am a believer. I have made a conclusion where I say, religion as it is present day, is evil. An instrument for power to gain and control it.
This is why I'd like to discuss these findings. Maybe I'm wrong Or maybe I'm right.
Well at least I've got an IQ above 106 for not being religious.

There is much more to learn and delete or change what is programmed.
I'd like to invite you all to confirm, debunk and discuss these issues with me.

Sincerely yours.
-SK


Ps.

These were also very interesting ! Enjoy !

The Mary Magdalene Conspiracy. By DaTruth Inlcuding.
Two For the Price of One: "Dark History of the Vatican"/ " 20 reasons to abandon christianity" By Polynomial C
The dark history of the Vatican.

Various topics relating to the ancient world


@ Mod's
I saw alot of different topics on it. I failled to find one discussing the big picture. Please cantact me if there is. So we don't have to delete the entire thread, just split it up or something ?

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Geez, Sinter Klaas, you sure go for the jugular, don't you.

I studied theology in college. One thing I learned very quickly is that there are a couple of different ways to look at the bible.

One. God dictated the bible, word for word. This view allows no room for error, judgement, or cultural bias. You may hear some folks who claim this view but do argue that some "problems" have occurred during various translations.

Two. God inspired the bible, using humans to right it. This view means the bible is clouded by human thoughts, misunderstanding, cultural views, etc. Not ot mention translation errors, as stated above.

The Bible is a collection of books or stories. Most of the Old Testament was passed down in the form of oral tradition....in other words, families telling it to each other without writing it down. Centureis later, when someone did make the effort to write the stories down, is it possible that the stories had changed, perhaps fundamentally?

developing the biblical canon

Not every book considered to be biblical made it into the bible. And the catholics have a separate section of extra-canonical books called the apocrhrypha (spelled that wrong, I'm sure). View the link above to see a timeline for the canoniztion of the bible.

I was raised Christian. After years of study, thinking, and hearing alternative viewpoints, I now consider myself Christian Agnostic.

That's a completely made up description, of course. I keep the title Christian because I identify with the values and mores I grew up with. I consider myself Agnostic because I'm searching.....searching.....searching....

You're not alone, Sinter Klaas. You're waking up, and that's the first step to enlightenment. Painful, but necessary.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


So you criticize the Bible and the people that believe it hook line and sinker and yet you pick another ancient belief system, the Annunaki and buy into that?

Don't get me wrong I think the ancient astronaut theory is interesting and all but it is lacking evidence and I find it a bit odd to believe in that but dismiss the Bible.

To each his own though, there are certainly aspects of human history that were lost to time and I suppose there is the remote possibility of alien influence at some point. I think reinterpreting myths is never going to prove astronaut theory, only hard archeological evidence will.

Religious texts have been heavily edited throughout history to suit or justify a particular faith and should be considered worthless and tainted at this point.

There are no God's chosen peoples, and even the commandments (the 'final' version) were said to be significantly different than the one endorsed today.

Most people couldn't read more than one basic sentence even hundreds of years after the bible was written, and even some written languages at the time the bible was written was a trade secret among scribes, and even at that time people were considered literate if they could write their name.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Thank you for replying

To answer your post.

No I do not criticize the bible or think aliens are responsable for our and it's creation.

I wrote down what I think is wrong and gave some examples for why I think it is.
The Alien story is just the one which (without the aliens ) comes closest to my believe what happened those days.

I also believe we will never debunk faith, because faith can not be debunked.

I do not dismiss the bible. I believe every myth, story or saga from our ancient past, has to have a core of truth in it.
Because lies don't survive time and will come out eventually.
I know people have a tendency to exaggerate.

My interest in other peoples believes and opinions is why I asked.
I believe strongly you can only make a good choice if you know all the different angles of a subject.

reply to post by smyleegrl


You are of course right but look at the fundies. Fundies run around flapping and squawking about the bible being the literal word of god. Many Fundies are also right wing so they then squawk about the totalitarian govenments that lurk overseas but are trying to get the NWO. or which ever patsy that is in Governemtn that they dislike is a socialist plant1

What they are colossally blind about is they themselves manifest a ONE right way mentality that is totalitarian in itself.

Freedom around fundies is impossible.

T

You are of course right but look at the fundies. Fundies run around flapping and squawking about the bible being the literal word of god. Many Fundies are also right wing so they then squawk about the totalitarian govenments that lurk overseas but are trying to get the NWO. or which ever patsy that is in Governemtn that they dislike is a socialist plant1

reply to post by Tiger5


Fundies believe that way, I think, because its much easier. "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." No thinking involved.

When you began to question things, especially your basic religious beliefs, that's scary as heck. Uncomfortable, painful....downright unpleasant.

When I announced in high school that I would be reading theology in college, I can't tell you how many of my church members told me it was a bad idea "because all that learning will let Satan decieve. you."

So have I been deceived? Or just awakened?

reply to post by smyleegrl


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Hi Smyleegrl

Do I ? ( Go for the jugular )
I had to search what it meant first.
Yes I do. What is the point of asking an opinion if the applier doesn't know why I asked.

I didn't experienced any pain actually, only annoyment or agitation. When someone tries to talk the curves I see in the road, straight again.
Or when someone is not open for discussion and sticks to his/her own believe as the one true truth. Don't enter in a discussion or write a discussable thread. IMHO of course.

BTW My search started because of this behaviour. The moment I started asking.
This has not made me deny the divine. Only what has been put in use, make people believe it.

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reply to post by Sinter Klaas

No I do not criticize the bible or think aliens are responsible for our and it's creation.

Why do you opt for aliens ? There is no more nor less evidence for aliens than there is jesusyawheh .

I'm not knocking your choice I'm curious why you rule out the bible just being human writings with a mixed bag of authors with varied agendas.

Why is it you require a supernatural explanation to the origins of the bibles ?

What is the point of asking an opinion if the applier doesn't know why I asked.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


The unexamined life is not worth living.
Socrates

Keep asking your questions, Sinter....

Christ is the Word of God. And if I claim to follow Christ and that God is in me, and even more so, that Christ sent the Comforter to live within me, I am the Word so much more than the scriptures are. The scriptures are largely manipulated, but not to a point in which the basic understandings of; 1. our own lack of self-completion, 2. God's Order, 3. the grace of denial of denial (repentance), and 4. God's Charity; should not be discarded. It would be foolish to toss away wisdom because fools have claimed to be wise and tried to rewrite a few stories. True wisdom is known by the wise. Do not throw yourself into the fire along with the trash.

reply to post by smyleegrl

When you began to question things, especially your basic religious beliefs, that's scary as heck. Uncomfortable, painful....downright unpleasant.

I have to say that is one of the most refreshing and honest opinions I've heard in a while, which neatly describes xtian paranoia and insatiable insistance on getting others to live/think as they do.

reply to post by smyleegrl

When I announced in high school that I would be reading theology in college, I can't tell you how many of my church members told me it was a bad idea "because all that learning will let Satan decieve. you."

Nice example !
Just as questioning ones believe or any other thing for that matter. These are the walls I :bnghd: in to.
There are much more.
You shall not judge. Is a common answer I give.
The 10 commandments are IMO, the most breakable rules in life. I think these are all causes from our own human emotions.

I have to say that is one of the most refreshing and honest opinions I've heard in a while, which neatly describes xtian paranoia and insatiable insistance on getting others to live/think as they do

reply to post by moocowman


Please explain.
Are you saying I'm xtian paranoia (I don't know what this is, sorry)?

reply to post by Dasher

Christ is the Word of God. And if I claim to follow Christ and that God is in me, and even more so, that Christ sent the Comforter to live within me, I am the Word so much more than the scriptures are.

The problem you have here is that you really believe this statement has a meaning to anyone other than yourself.

I don't normally respond to statements like this because they are empty but I have to point out you haven't backed up your superstitious claims with any evidence at all.

Thanks to you for starting this thread, a topic that needs to be discussed!

I am an aspiring Christian, but find little to no fellowship in any mainstream church. I can also tell you from the inside that believers who pursue serious study of the Bible should be heroes and teachers, but their suits aren't fancy enough, their charisma not useful to whoever runs the church, usually a corporate-style board of directors. The "renegade" who brings exposition to the scriptures is usually ostracized subtly at first, then challenged directly to stop "misleading" the flock, or to stop causing "division." What ends up happening is Ben Franklin's epic quote we see everywhere these days: liberty (freedom to explore God, His word, and anything) is traded for security (false sense of accomplishment simply by confessing Christ).

The Book of Enoch really opened my eyes to a bigger picture that Christians must usually refrain from examining or even considering: living beings, not like us, but similar enough to communicate and exist simultaneously with, as well as their roles, clearer understanding of the individual personality that is God and learning more about Him through the things explained in Enoch. There is even what sounds like a radiation-shielding ointment that is smeared on Enoch when he is being brought to God's throne. It is described as metallic, and I'm guessing it is a form of the same shielding (gold and other precious metals) that is on the satellites orbiting earth, and many other space-based structures, to protect them from the sun's radiation and a variety of cosmic particles. Isn't that fascinating?

But even though Enoch is specifically mentioned in the Bible , no one knows about or will discuss this book in any mainstream church. It is buried deep in prophetic books of the OT, probably for those who seek deeper things to stumble across and pursue.

The feeling that your faith will come to place where it can no longer serve you or support you even without all the answers is a very frightening one, and I can sympathize. But pushing forward is the only way through.
And much less unnerving than thinking God left us with no information about the huge topic of UFOs. How much does one really believe in God's sovereignty if they are afraid to find out something about man (changing the text, inventing things) that is more powerful than the personal encounter they are supposed to base their faith on, or the unchanging principles of God and His ways that won them to faith in the beginning?

Sadly, we know that much of this kind of faith may be based on something more secular, and therefore cannot stand any kind of testing. This, IMHO, is why even when offered the Book of Enoch, which clearly refers to and explains extraterrestrial encounters and beings (very specific details, too), and should offer us a way to deal with UFO phenomena, or at least discuss it in a loving (towards abductees, etc) and intelligent way, we (as a body) are fragmented, each to his own way, and the only choice for a real lover of God, is to be run out because he won't stop teaching this extra stuff to those who need to know (everyone).

Then he or she links up with other "outcasts" who study the Bible diligently, or who do good diligently, or both, and realize that the mainstream churches are organizations, not always operating under God's direction, but presuming to please God by serving Him according to their own best efforts, which do not include new information for current times, but rather a financial and emotional bottom line that we can indulge whenever we like.

No wonder the most decent Christians I know are never in a church, but are too busy BEING the church. More of them know about extra-Biblical texts (I am not referring to the Gnostic gospels, btw), such as the Book of Jasher, but more specifically the Book of Enoch, and know better than to trust salvation to some of the people running things right now. We find each other, though. The Holy Spirit brings us together and makes us see these things, more and more of us.

My gratitude to you, SK, for opening this thread. May it live long and prosper.

God will not stop loving those who seek knowledge! He loves them very much, and urges us all to seek knowledge and understanding. That has no limits that HE imposed.


Deeper study leads to deeper insight, which leads to more and more extra-Biblical research. I personally have found this to strengthen my faith rather than crushing it. If it can't handle questions and inquiry, then what is it really worth?! But many people in churches, when confronted with the possibility of deeper questions, seem afraid to delve, as if God would frown upon them for daring to use the brains He gave us!

Reply to moocowman

Why do you opt for aliens ? There is no more nor less evidence for aliens than there is jesusyawheh .

I name them because the story is around for a while. What there is told in the story comes is ( accept for the aliens ) more making sense. Nothing more.

I'm not knocking your choice I'm curious why you rule out the bible just being human writings with a mixed bag of authors with varied agendas.[quote
You just wrote down the answer. Because of the varied agendas I dismiss the way the bible is used and unreliable history IMO.
I do not dismiss the bible it self.

The gun doesn't kill people. People kill people.

Why is it you require a supernatural explanation to the origins of the bibles ?

I do not. A down to Earth explanation without any spiritual or religious influence will do just fine.

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reply to post by smyleegrl


"Fundies believe that way, I think, because its much easier. "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." No thinking involved.

When you began to question things, especially your basic religious beliefs, that's scary as heck. Uncomfortable, painful....downright unpleasant."

But the fear passes because we realise that the sky will not fall on our heads. The real beauty of humanity is our ability to enquire and also the ability that we have to hold a paradoxical view.

I believe in god passionately but I know that I have no scientif or even legal proof. We also need to question our views to ensure that they are still valid in the light of new information. For example when I first expereinced sleep paralysis I really thought that the devil was sitting on my chest. I am proud to say that I now know better.

T

reply to post by smyleegrl

When you began to question things, especially your basic religious beliefs, that's scary as heck. Uncomfortable, painful....downright unpleasant.

I assumed you were talking about yourself here ? My point was that not so many xtians are brave enough to face their deep rooted fears and run the risk of feeling these emotions.

It would appear that it is easier for those who fear the fear and the unpleasant to spend their time persuading others , if they succeed they reinforce their own beliefs and no longer have to face some hard questions that nag at the back of the mind.

Nice post! I know of a wonderful college text pointing out many of the errors is the so called "Word of God."

Here is a link to amazon for the book:
Bart Ehrman: History of the New Testament

I've read this book as well as the NIV Bible twice and it is certainly chock full of errors but even still I can't convince the Bible thumpers that it is not the "UNERRING WORD OF GOD."