The Tainted Word of God

Elohim (God) and Yahushua (Jesus) are by definition "aliens". And so are the demons and angels. They are interdimensional intergalactic supernatural beings. Elohim said that shamayim (heaven) is his throne and the eretz (earth) is his footstool. Even Yahushua himself said that he is not of 'this' world and ascended into shamayim through the clouds in witness of many.

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Thanks for your reply.

I agree on the alien part with you. But only to a point they are not from Earth. Any further I just can't say true or fals I simply don't have a clue.



What does make you think or believe like you say ?

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I loved that movie
Especially the part when she's told that was it. That it was only the first step. And in time more will follow.

We are not ready ! In any way.

No, Occam's Razor is a basic scientific principle and it says: All things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one.

So what's more likely? That an all-powerful, mysterious God created the Universe, and decided not to give any proof of his existence?

The easiest way of explaining Occam's Razor is IMO. The simplest answer is usually the correct one.
Why shouldn't this work for religion ?

No evidence for God ?
The world is full with evidence. Only it's not showing the christian God.
Neither does any other religion in the world.

Faith will be a hot topic as long as peoples lives are influenced by it.
Why should it not be discussed ? Should we close our eyes instead ?

Thanks for your reply.

Originally posted by star in a jar
Religious texts have been heavily edited throughout history to suit or justify a particular faith and should be considered worthless and tainted at this point.

There are no God's chosen peoples, and even the commandments (the 'final' version) were said to be significantly different than the one endorsed today.

Most people couldn't read more than one basic sentence even hundreds of years after the bible was written, and even some written languages at the time the bible was written was a trade secret among scribes, and even at that time people were considered literate if they could write their name.

yep, if God didn't chose me, i don't chose him,
i never quite understood the "chosen people" thing, it just doesn't make sense in my mind, why would something supreme chose among something he made? aren't we all part of prime creator

if those people "are chosen" they must be chosen for something, like say form the illegal state of israel and justify it, cause you know, it's in their holly book, the word of god, BS!

no offense there, i'm the one to be taking offense for not being "the chosen"

LOL

you may think i'm atheist... no

i believe in the universal law which is LOVE

"and don't do unto others..."......you get the point

we are all extensions of prime creator on prime creator's journey
it would be stupid of us to hurt ourselves, but that's exactly what we do
the cause of all this is that brainwashed book, that says eye for eye, tooth for tooth....
or how though it says "thou shalt not kill" that god asks for sacrifices, both animal and human, justifies slavery, okeys violence and war, and rape

seriously, who believes in that crap? i see the bible as nothing more of a biased historical record of a wanna-be people

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

seriously, who believes in that crap? i see the bible as nothing more of a biased historical record of a wanna-be people . [

As much that I agree with some of the things you say in your post and the full 100% of me that says that you have the right and freedom to have and give your opinion.
I would appreciate it if you do not insult entire groups of people by claiming their lives are based on crap.
We got this far without attacking or judging anything.
If you do not agree with someone or something, it can be said without an insult, insulting have a part in it.

I do agree with you. I also believe the bible is not to be ignored.
It's still full of wisdom and contains knowledge what shouldn't be possible for the writers to know at the time.I believe there is alot of truth to be around any ancient myth, saga or scripture.

Lies containing some truth always last the longest. IMO

Sincerely yours.

-SK

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I would appreciate it if you do not insult entire groups of people by claiming their lives are based on crap.

Let me remind you of your OP.

I feel I've been at the receiving side of a thousands of years old deception !
...
This is why I am writing this thread.

If somebody today, right now, says: Look, this ancient book of prophesy speaks of me! Me, ... I am the one to go back to this land and drive out the inhabitants and take the land. And we, today, people who don't make any such claim for ourselves (self confessed non-chosen) see what can only be described as an atrocity, done for the sake of such book, shouldn't we condemn such activity?

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You are right.

Who cares what anyone says or does ? I'm just trying ( as much as possible ) to give a good example.

Let me remind you of your OP.


I feel I've been at the receiving side of a thousands of years old deception !
...
This is why I am writing this thread.



If somebody today, right now, says: Look, this ancient book of prophesy speaks of me! Me, ... I am the one to go back to this land and drive out the inhabitants and take the land. And we, today, people who don't make any such claim for ourselves (self confessed non-chosen) see what can only be described as an atrocity, done for the sake of such book, shouldn't we condemn such activity?

What do you point at exactly ?

If it is to my feeling deceived. I give reasons and arguments to explain.
I think to say it's just crap, sounds very different.

If you mean what I think you mean a mental institution is the first thing to cross my mind or a swift execution.

But usually these are just shallow thoughts and they make me think about why I think so. Well... The answers I find I use as argument. I know I don't know anything really and I'm open for changing my mind.
This chosen idea because of a book, I don't think there is any explanation good enough for me not to condemn it.But I don't just say it's crap.

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Well...
At least you rush straight to the point. Something I would appreciate.
Unfortunately most people would oppose head on.

You don't get people to think like this. I will drive them away even further.

If there were no book, and a bunch of people from Europe and US got together and invaded another land, killing many people, driving millions into exile, declared themselves a country. This would not be tolerated for a moment. And yet, it's been going on for sixty some years. The expansion just keeps grinding away. With incentives and cash bribes offered for select people to immigrate and settle, gobbling up land and water.

Excuse me ?? What do you call the Iraqi occupation by Western troops right now ?
They started the war with lies, because of lie while lying about it.
They practically kicked them back in the stone age.
They killed them.
They were them selves ultimately responsible because of their meddling in the past.
The Iraqi people are left with violence and they are robbed from their resources. All of it is now in Corporate hands.

Why ? Well.. Iraq was a self sufficient economy and their stroman Saddam Hussein refused to open the market and even wanted to drop the dollar as reserve. .

They simply made sure their empire of free market and their influence was reinstalled and keep it like that.

We also (as a people) know about the war being illegal. And we do nothing.

As much as I like to discus this subject. It's completely of topic and I have to ask you to move this subject to another thread or create a new one of course. Please let me know I'll follow.

I condemn the situation as it is right now. And there is sure something not right.

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The chosen are chosen just as one breath of Life is placed in an animal, and one in man. These things are not division as man mistakes it to be. These things are as simple a matter as a particular plant having both leaves, thorns and petals.

As for what the chosen are chosen for, it is easiest to say that they are the flower, the bride of the ceremony. They are the part that comes out from the womb of the world into the next realm which is with the eternal.

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I have a little trafficked thread under war on terrorism called:
Reverse Psychology Into War
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by raynemarina
if those people "are chosen" they must be chosen for something,

All who are "Chosen" do have reasons for being chosen my dear.

i'm the one to be taking offense for not being "the chosen"

And when did YOU decide you had not been Chosen or part of the Chosen People?

Just because you "THINK" you have nothing to do for GOD, doesn't mean GOD doesn't have things for YOU to do.

seriously, who believes in that crap?

Seriously, I do.

i see the bible as nothing more of a biased historical record of a wanna-be people

Well said, except for the disrespectful slander adapted to your remark.

What is a Biased Wanna-Be People?

Maybe you would wish to clarify!

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
I do agree with you. I also believe the bible is not to be ignored.
It's still full of wisdom and contains knowledge what shouldn't be possible for the writers to know at the time.I believe there is alot of truth to be around any ancient myth, saga or scripture.

I AM going to pick on you, Sinter, in respects to your Comments and because of the Young Lass, who is dealing with some presumed issues of dismay for not being "Picked" by GOD to achieve things for HIS Glory.

Zebulon / Zebulun

Does this have any meaning to your my Friend?

2074 Zbuwluwn zeb-oo-loon' or Zbuluwn [zeb-oo-loon']; or Zbuwlun [zeb-oo-loon']; from 2082; habitation; Zebulon, a son of Jacob; also his territory and tribe:--Zebulun.

Do you "Know" who this tribe is representative of TODAY?

Where do you live Sinter?

Genesis 49:13 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

Zebulun shall live along the Sea, and shall be a Place of refuge for Ocean Vessels.

Fairly easy to follow, correct?

How about this?

Deuteronomy 33:18 And of Zebulun he said, Rejoice, Zebulun, in thy going out; and, Issachar, in thy tents.
33:19 They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness: for they shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand.

They shall "Suckle" the Seas, and find wealth hidden in the reclaimed Ground.

Sound fair again?

Sinter, You inhabit the Habitation Place of Zebulon. Zebulun is Modern Day Holland.

Prophesies, thousand of years old, foretell the nature of Zebulun and his descendants and this chosen tribe has arisen to excel in fulfilling these prophesies.

Rotterdam is the WORLDS LARGEST haven for Ships.
Holland, found it RICHES from the Soils reclaimed by from the seas. Production of Flowers have made this place rich beyond expectations.
These Dutch Peoples have even crossed this with another Recent Sand Sucking Venture. They, unlike anyother country in the world, clearly define who is in control of this second venture.
Royal Dutch Shell

I could go on and on, but the point is, Zebulun was part of a Chosen People, and given Chosen Tasks and Abilities foretold 1000's of year ago.

And what is the result of this. Biblical Prophesy about a Chosen People fulfilled.

I thought this would assist in respects to the posters dismay, and trust it also gave you somethings to consider as well Sinter.

Ciao

Shane

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Verry interesting you really gave me somthing to think about .

Hi all !

I've just was presented with a few links.
They proof according to it's poster the NT was not subjected to choice and no books wer left out. At the council of Nicea I must ad.

Here are those links.

www.newadvent.org...

www.tertullian.org...
and
www.ntcanon.org...

And here is the link to the thread where I answer.
Council of Nicea - NO reincarnation, NO books of the Bible

I'd like to ask for your opinions on the matter.

Kind regards
-SK

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I have thought about what you said about Zebulon.

And I think that if you look at it like that.
This thread The Mark of the Beast is the Status Quo from ExPostFacto explains what I think it means.

I've also got a question for you.
Are you from Greece maybe ? Muskokas sounds like it. ???
Well if so do you have orthodox christian roots ?

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
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I have thought about what you said about Zebulon.

And I think that if you look at it like that.

No, the 12 Tribes of Israel had prophesies made in respects to each of the 12 Sons, which expressed traits or even possible charater flaws which are today as relevant as they where in the days these promises where spoken.

It is more akin to things such as the Abrahamic covenant with GOD, than it has to do with Satan and the 666 spoken of by the Revelator.

I've also got a question for you.
Are you from Greece maybe ? Muskokas sounds like it. ???

No, although I have some interests in Thrace and their Ancient History, for alternative reasons.

I live in Canada Eh.

The Beer swilling, Igloo Building, Ice Fishing, Snowmobiling, Hockey Mecca of the World.

Well, that's just not correct is it.

THE GREATEST HOCKEY NATION IN THE UNIVERSE.

That's better

Well if so do you have orthodox christian roots ?

We have Orthodox Sects here in Canada, but unfortunately I am not one. The Boxing Day Sales would be an excellent time of the Year for Christmas Shopping

I jest in some regards, but this is due to the belief that Christmas was just a tool the Church used to incorperate the SUN cults, and Other Pagans Festivities of the Winter Soltise into platforms to ensnare tither's and subjects (sheep).

It is obvious, Christ was "CONCIEVED" around the Soltise and not Born during this time, which it strange in it'self, seeing that the Church has oppostion to Abortion, yet fails to reflect or reinforce the interaction between John the Baptist and the recently concieved Jesus when Mary ruched to see her cousin, Elizabeth, to tell her the news the Angel told her.

But that's another Post, isn't it?

Ciao

Shane

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I have thought about what you said about Zebulon.

And I think that if you look at it like that.
This thread The Mark of the Beast is the Status Quo from ExPostFacto explains what I think it means.

It's becoming quite popular for people to try to identify themselves or their ethnic group as 'one of the lost tribes of Israel'. This seems very strange to me, since Christianity was supposed to be universal. So I asked myself 'Why would some one want to be part of an exclusive group.'

The answer, which goes along with much of ExPostFacto's thread is quite disturbing. Simply this, quest for a god, who on this earth, will protect the chosen and destroy the enemy. Quite bluntly, for current political and military power. That's the only reason. If I am a Christian and an Israelite, then after I die, I can go to heaven, in the meantime I can enjoy the might and power that comes from the war god Yahweh.

Quite crass, quite heinous, quite different from what Jesus taught.

The logic is circular and invalid, because the bottom line is that 'Israel, the great nation' is a fiction invented to bring fear to the enemy. As in 'the best defence is to have a super bad-ass god, who can destroy your enemies with a breath of his mouth.'

There is no physical archeological evidence to support the notion that Israel as a nation-state even existed until about 700s BC, about the time some priest or scribe could have had access to one of the Assyrian libraries, read how the mighty empires presented their gods as being the reason for their empire greatness, and then cooked up their own version.

Much of the Old Testament is what people now-days would call a hoax, but in those days of competing city-states and empires was seen as necessary for presenting itself as some one not to be messed with. The tuff guy gun slinger who can take out a whole saloon full of bad guys image.

That was the purpose of the story, and that's why people want to be part of the story. It's all worldly stuff, right up there with having nukes as a deterrent.

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Ah... Canadian. Figures I'm not even a little of :shk:
Is Canada really as great as some say. Or is it just like everywhere else hell dimension full of hedonism, porn and hard rock.
But really I thought about leaving the land I used to be so proud of.

I've heard of Wayne Gretsky

Just to make sure. Did you just said John the Baptist is Jesus his daddy ?
Would explain stuff...

I'll explain my understanding of the antichrist from ExpostFacto in my reply To Pthena

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It's becoming quite popular for people to try to identify themselves or their ethnic group as 'one of the lost tribes of Israel'. This seems very strange to me, since Christianity was supposed to be universal. So I asked myself 'Why would some one want to be part of an exclusive group.'

I think he ( Shane)means we are all descendants of those 12 tribes. Leads to the same result as yours so.

What I understood from Expostfacto thread was that our society is the antichrist. and the warnings from the bible are actually warnings from a previous civilisation who experienced it for them selves.

[Quote] If I am a Christian and an Israelite, then after I die, I can go to heaven, in the meantime I can enjoy the might and power that comes from the war god Yahweh.

No you don't. As a Christian their is a high probability of "access denied"
As an Israelite You could seize to exist, go to an afterlife or reincarnate.

The differences between Christianity an Judaism.
Comparison of Christianity and Judaism