Were Humans Created by Reptilians?

reply to post by Aeons


Ha, says the person who makes threads about Gays in Hollywood, yeh thats really logical and makes perfect sense. not. another sweeping generalisation.


The reason is I dont have a definete direction is because I am open to any possibilty.

As for definition of Direct descent.

Father-Mother
\/
Son-Daughter
and carries on and on from as far back as you can trace.


Oh yeh I call BS on your, " I am related to a german princess"

Unless you come from the royal house of Plantengenet.

Thats the only way commoners have royal decent.

[edit on 2-3-2010 by Sparkey76]

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Sparkey76

 

First you'd have to demonstrate that the Nephilim exist, which no one has ever managed to do.

We are all descended from a common ancestor. That makes us all related. That means looking for common "bloodlines" will yield positives for every test you perform, as we're all related.

The whole notion of special bloodlines is abject nonsense.

Now, think about that for a second. Surely you know what I mean if I said a person was "high born?"
There are many levels of humanity, some are a lot lower than others. That, in itself is nobody's fault, it is just how it is. As we are evolving, we are also evolving up through the lower levels too, we have all been there. I also believe that a certain bloodline has been preserved through time, and through incest practices they have kept it pure. Research the Templars and the Holy Grail for info on this.

Well! Ask a question here, and one surely gets some answers. This thread has enlightened me, and the provided links I have read and bookmarked, and the videos too.

It seems that most in here agree that the Anunnaki created our human bodies in their own image, and not some "out there" Storm God who may in fact be a Dragon.
I think we have seen how these being are able to control us all, through the many distractions and beliefs they force down our collective throats on a daily basis. It looks more and more like the Bibles and other ancient text may have been written by this Dragon. It may have been a large creature such as this that set down on the Mountain of Moses, and this could be why there was smoke, and fire. It takes no great stretch of imagination to think that if this were true, then the thing that led Moses and his people through the wilderness was a Dragon too, that would certainly explain the "Pillar of Fire" in the night time hours, and a "Cloud of smoke" in the daytime. Could this be?

I have always thought that to bring humanity all together will take a miracle. It would take a world event that every nation would see. Has anyone seen the film, "Independence Day?" How all petty differences were cast aside as mankind/womankind stood together as one people. The Powers That Be do not want this to happen, ever. No no! If this were to happen, TPTB/Illuminati/Reptilian thing could never stand before us. They would be instantly destroyed, and they know it.

I think we also know that the date December 21, 2012 has some kind of Great Meaning to all of us, and I too think it does just that. I do not think a big thing will happen on that very day, but near that time something will happen. I do not know what this is, and nobody does, so don't believe anyone who say they do.
Something will happen. An Earth Shaking, Eye Opening, In Your Face thing that no one will be able to deny.
That is when a Choice will have to be made. And again, I only know there will be a choice, I do not now what the choices will be. I do not think they will be religious choices, but rather something of a higher nature.

We, and by that I mean Humanity, each and every one of us, needs to ask ourselves a few questions.
Was religion invented to Enslave you or Empower you?

Is that which we call GOD a male, or a female? Did him/her create any religions?
Does he/she need, or even want, our prayers? Should we be looking for him or her?
What will we do if, and when we do find him/her? What if it is us?

It is good that we can all come together and openly discuss something of such a touchy nature, with so very many theories and hypothesis on it. We still have many questions, don't we? For this, I am glad. Why is this, you ask?

For once we learn and know everything there is to know, then life will become quite boring, don't you think?

but what if reptillians were created by humans? how do you know the humans that created us didnt create the reptillians aswell?

reply to post by ucalien


unfortunately, enki was humanized by the time of babylon. in fact, by the time of akkad, cylinder seals were already popping up, depicting him as human, with priestly robes and the divine headdress. those anunnaki murals in your post, are much later in the timeline. in the sumerian time frame, enki was a reptilian/amphibian in appearance. i'm leaning more towards him being amphibian-mammalian. the sumerian text, ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER, even refers to him as the "great dragon that stands in eridu."

the time line is everything.

first we have ubaid.
then sumer.
then akkad.
then babylon and dynastic egypt and dynastic china (all started by the first post flood emperor, enmerkar of akkad (narmer of egypt, nimrod of the biblical account).

reply to post by Sparkey76


Sorry, I am indeed a direct descendant of a German princess. And I am related to Ulysses S Grant, and I am related to people who are in your government right now. I am also related to people involved in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and one of Kennedy's mistresses.

If I could ever get a hold of some records that are being intentional kept away from us, I might be able make the case that I am probably a direct descendant of either Ivar the Boneless or Olaf the White as well.

And my mtDNA line probably points to some ancestor being a woman taken as war booty from some high profile Mongolian's family.



Your model of direct descent would make for literally millions of people who could trace back to royals. MILLIONS of people.

Think on this - Mohammed was ONE guy. And he now has enough descendants claiming special rights that it is causing serious problems in the Islamic nations. One guy. 1400 year of descendants. You are talking many people of varied lines over what...4000 years?

Children were married out of the royal lines all the time. Otherwise there would be enough of them by now to fill their own country.


Let me give you an easy example to follow.

One man has a plot of land that is 11 acres. That man has 4 sons and 2 daughters. The daughters get one acre each. The sons get 2 each. The first son gets one extra acre. Those children each need to give their children the same breakdown of their land.

After 3 generations - you all own nothing but a postage stamp.

Sons and daughters married out all the time. They would logically have to. Think it through.

[edit on 2010/3/2 by Aeons]

Now, for this model of descent where one is "hoarding" a genetic trait to work you'd have to follow the traits.

Those traits are most likely found on the X. The Y doesn't contain much - obviously, half the human race survives fully intact without one.

So that being the case, you'd have to follow the lines of descendant that allow passage of the genes on the X chromosomes consistently.

So you'd have to follow the women.

So a man's grandchild who have the most genetically in common with him are his daughter's children. A woman's grandchildren whom have the most in common are her son's daughters. The least in common for a woman's grandchildren are her son's son. The least in common for a man's grandchildren are his son's daughters.

Are you following still?

You'd have to work out not how a direct descendant works, but how paternal grandsons are married back into maternal granddaughters consistently. Excess sons and daughters being married away, and slowly drifting out of cared about lines.

Since most lines trace through men, that would make if particularly difficult since the process of recombination would tend to make finding that set of traits difficult. Indeed these important traits would probably have to all be on the same chromosome for them to be passed together.


Now what traits could possibly be that important. Well you seem to think Rh negative factors would have something to do with it. Let us run with that. If that is the case the Rh factor deletions - all three - can be found on the same chromosome on the X. This would tend to suggest then that this important chromosome that you are selecting for is this same section that you find the Rh deletion in.

RH factor is found on Chromosome one.

That's pretty easy to remember isn't it?

Chromosome one compromises about 8% of your DNA. It is the largest one. In other words, the one most likely to find mutations in. (blows that blood can't mutate idea out of the water).

Making this more difficult, ANY marriage outside would tend to bring in recombination between the two sets of chromosomes you have for Chromosome one.

That's what makes life so varied and interesting.

Rh factor is found on Chromosome One at, short arm, region 3, band 4, subband 1, through band 6.

Now because there are THREE codons that can change and give one a Rh negative (or an indistinguishable weak Rh), and any one of those deletions can make a person Rh negative....which ones are the "real" ones? 40% of Rh- are a completion deletion of all three Cc, Dd, and Ee. But the other 60% can be partial deletions.

So, do partial deletions "count" in your model. Or to be a "true" to this "royal line" concept does it need to be a full deletion?

Because RhD negative is quite common really, and absolutely occurs due to coding errors. Making it not particularly heritable - though the tendency to be hypervariable on that gene and therefore more prone to coding errors may be heritable.

This important gene set would probably need to be found in a set of genes that code whole along with Chromosome One at, short arm, region 3, band 4, subband 1, through band 6.

We know that these traits are not hair, skin, bone structure, melanin production.....so what exactly is it that you think that they can identify to assure that they are breeding grandsons and granddaughters who have enough recombination to not end up retarded, but still have that gene?

Have they had secret genetic laboratories in Ancient Rome? Fired up ye'Old PCR machine and looked for it?


[edit on 2010/3/2 by Aeons]

To make matters worse - both men and women contribute Chromosome One to their children.

www.madsci.org...

list of some things found on it

en.wikipedia.org...(human)

[edit on 2010/3/2 by Aeons]

reply to post by Aeons


it is odd, however, that things like, the grand duke of luxembourg marries his own cousin. millions of people and royals of different family lines and he marries his cousin. if we did that here in the states, we'd be considered uncouth hillbillies, in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if it's illegal to do so here in the usa.

things that make you go : what the freak?

Marrying your cousin isn't that uncommon. In much of the World it is the norm. In Iraq NOT marrying your cousin is odd.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Aeons

 

it is odd, however, that things like, the grand duke of luxembourg marries his own cousin. millions of people and royals of different family lines and he marries his cousin. if we did that here in the states, we'd be considered uncouth hillbillies, in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if it's illegal to do so here in the usa.

things that make you go : what the freak?

reply to post by Aeons


???? but the dude has more money than half the planet. he's filthy rich and is the leader of one of the richest countries in the world. why his cousin? it isn't like he didn't have a smorgasbord to choose from. he deliberately married his cousin, on purpose! and he's a well educated member of the elite of europe. what is the point of marrying your own family members???

[edit on 2-3-2010 by undo]

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Full_Vision

 

Thanks for this reply, Full_Vision, you are wise beyond your years, me thinks. I see this constant thing too, show me the facts. Mostly from Religious people who have no possible way to prove anything they believe in, like God, Jesus, the Second Coming, Rapture, and so on. Coming from the sceptics though is different. Sceptics keep us on our toes, and they make us think. A good sceptic to me is like a Muse. I appreciate them, at least those who research, and search for the real truth like the rest of us. I am dependant on spiritual muses too, these are Ideas that come to mind, sometimes right when I need it. Sometimes I will write a post, and then come back and read it the next day, and say to myself, wow! did I write that?

You are most welcome.. it was just getting to me a bit that day lol.. Thats very true about skeptics, they do keep thoughts flowing and are a needed aspect of any debate/discussion usually i like the outlook of them as muses.. i shall have to remember that when i get wound up with them lol...

Sorry, I am indeed a direct descendant of a German princess. And I am related to Ulysses S Grant, and I am related to people who are in your government right now. I am also related to people involved in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and one of Kennedy's mistresses.

Ok maybe you are,like I said, when we are talking about very distant cousins, it starts to become irrelevant I cant argue the fact maybe apart from this princess your talking about, as the only way any common person to have Royal decent is through the House of Plantenteget,now this is on an official website, a source that any person can not deny.

If I did a search on my geneology I might be suprised at who I am a distant decendant of.

It still does not change the fact that some familys are and have been in power throught the ages, forget all the branching off, I am on about the main trunk here.

Sons and daughters married out all the time. They would logically have to. Think it through

If we are talking about Royal sons and daughters here, yes they married to other royal bloods around the world, but in a few cases, like The Queen Elizibeth the 2nd and Phillip Mountbatten, they had the same great grandmother, think they are 2nd or 3rd cousins, they married.
Again, the only cases of Royal sons and daughters having offspring with common people was the House of Plantengenet.
please if anyone knows any different though, please correct me.

Think on this - Mohammed was ONE guy. And he now has enough descendants claiming special rights that it is causing serious problems in the Islamic nations. One guy. 1400 year of descendants. You are talking many people of varied lines over what...4000 years?

The Prophet Mohammed?

Well, no expert on this, but is this not just myth, Was there such a person as this? Is it Historical fact?
This is the problem, and I am just as guilty as using religious text if I have no other source, but historically, it could be seen as myth, Just like Noah and his family of decendants.

Children were married out of the royal lines all the time. Otherwise there would be enough of them by now to fill their own country.

It still does not change the fact that the main branch is in power and has always been in power, but at the earlier stages, it goes from fact to myth so its still open for debate.


All I have done is brought something to the table as I can clearly see something has been covered up somehere ( especially symbology) regarding a few bloodlines that appears to tie in with myths of Nephilim, as a real fact, no we cant prove beyond doubt the myth part.

Also the myths regarding what Nephilim and Reptillians really are?, or do they even exist? is still open for debate and evidence is required, not conjecture to really prove the theorys that are floating around here.


BTW, To the author of the OP, sorry if this is derailing your thread and apologise if it is, I just think its relevant to the story, please tell me if its not.







[edit on 3-3-2010 by Sparkey76]

Originally posted by undo

mother: mizraim
father: cush
grandfather: ham
great grandfather: noah
great great grandfather: Lamech
great great great grandfather: Methuselah
great great great great grandfather: Enoch
great great great great great grandfather: Jared
great great great great great great grandfather: Mahalalel
great great great great great great great grandfather: Kenan
great great great great great great great great grandfather: Enosh
great great great great great great great great great grandfather: Seth
great great great great great great great great great great grandfather: Adam

Since the genetics line for all of us is passed down through the mother shouldn't it be the mother's name to determine the family history tree?

reply to post by undo


Let me see here, undo. I could go to a costume store, and outfit myself in something, coupled with makeup and fake nose, contacts, hair and so on, and even my good friends would not know me. Agreed? I have read somewhere that Re/Ra had to cover his "countenance" before going among the people. If I were one of the Anunnaki I would disguise myself , I would make myself look like something the people feared, in the case of Ancient Egypt, that would be Cobras and Crocodiles.

The days of the Reptilian theory is numbered, the world grows smaller everyday with our ever increasing technology capabilities, and so at some point it is safe to say they are not living underground, otherwise we would find them. Now if they are extremely advance to us then they would not need to live underground and could/should/would have enslaved us for food/labor or whatever, so even with that their days are numbered without a single shred of evidence that is not third party/man made.

As to blood it is rather easy to see where Rh- came from and with a good number of earthly thoeries as how it came into existence without throwing in aliens. Saying God did it has as much credibility and evidence, so either theory could be correct just as any other made up on the spot theory would have.

reply to post by Xtrozero


The days of the "theory" the minute it was created with absolutely no corroborating evidence. It is clear someone watched "V" on TV, smoked too much pot, and thought it's real. There is no evidence to think it actually is real in the slightest.

The only reason it's still out there is that lots of people don't value rational thought as much as they should, and will latch on to any idea that sounds fascinating to them. I used to be a believer in such things (and in a lot of conspiracy theories), but one day I realised I'm being bloody ridiculous throwing intelligence away just to live in a more "wonderful" world. Some folks still want to live in that wonderful world.

reply to post by autowrench


so you're saying they are or are not reptilian?

as i was scanning thru old images of female goddess figures from sumer and pre-sumer, i noticed something peculiar. more than half of them had no heads. of the ones that did have heads, at least a third of those were obscured in various ways, such as the faces were completely worn off, sanded off, gouged off, or covered over in weird textures, thru which you could vaguely see the outlines of ....a reptilian/amphibian face.

it dawned on me then that either a decision was made by people before the advent of archaeology, to obscure or destroy evidence of reptilian and amphibian ancestors in statuary, or archaeologists discovered the phenomena and decided to erase it themselves, as per orders from someone of great authority. it's one thing to have it suggest the "serpent" was just a memory of people wearing masks from the time of the post ubaid, sumerian government, and quite another to find that they are ALL that way, no matter how far back you go in history from sumer.

i even saw one that was quite old, showing a reptilian-mammalian female that had all the belly scales as well... i mean just like you've seen reptilian bellies depicted, with long horizontal scales that stretch across the mid section with rows of smaller scales on each side. i'll see if i can find it and link it for you.

reply to post by undo


Or the fine carved detail of faces is the first to wear off, and is the most noticeable of any fine detail on a sculpture. No one is going to notice that a sculpture is missing a finely-carved pattern on their torso, but they will notice a missing finely-carved face.

But hey, let's not let reason get in the way of a good story

reply to post by davesidious


well reason is part of why i came to this conclusion. reason told me that the texts of the ancient people would reveal whether it was a real race or not. and they have. so now i'm left with the questions:

1. if they have, are they lying?
2. if they have and are not lying, who wanted to erase the evidence or nullify it by claiming the ancient texts were just myth to begin with?
3. who wanted to remove from consideration the possibility that for millions of years, reptiles and amphibians ruled the earth but none of them managed to become a bipedal, sentient race?