Sen. Bunning blocks unemployment benefits extension

Originally posted by thatredpill
Unbelieveable, I cant believe you expect me to pay for your inefficiency and inability to represent yourself either as a prospect to an employer or as producer on your own. Who and for how long should all of us pay for you to stay home? Do you realize there is no 'gov't money, it's ours that has been extorted from us and away from our families? If we must accept the printing more worthless money to support you, my money loses value to keep you as you were, doing nothing of value.
There is no need to convert the US into europe, for europe already exists and you can go there. Why do we need to recreate that failed model everywhere?
You either dont care or dont know that one cannot create wealth from nothing. Wealth is what allows one to live and breath, and if you are not prepared to support yourself you need to seriously reevaluate what responsibility you place on the rest of us to provide for your upkeep when they are already having troubles of their own. IF you are the slow wildebeest on the savanna, why exactly to we as the rest of the herd have to get between you and the lions you chose to not outrun?
Man up or move.

How's working at the Corporate Propaganda Ministry? Pays well, doesn't it. Just remember, yer checks end when your used had ended, with some china guy more cheaper than you willing to take up the job.

In good times, your tirade would be sound and acceptable by many. Too bad its not the best of times today. 'Tough sh*t" as yer masters said.

What is 'our inefficiency' and 'inabilities' in these worse of times, after DEDICATING' years of sacrifice and loyalty to the company in the hope of better recognition and renumeration, resisting temptation to traitorous action to the company that had nurtured and given you the opportunity to earn an honest and decent living, but due to capitalist creed, to hire the person on the lowest wage possible for the sake of the bottomline, and to hell with social responsiblity?

The worker's fault for displaying and cultivating the nobility quality of hardwork and loyalty. which is something cherished and treasured by all men, employers or employees?

What does that make of the employer now? As well corporate captains? Loyalty and hardwork is not to be recognised? Social responsibility is crap compared to the almighty dollars? Dollars of which at the end of one's life, can never be taken into the next dimension?

You are not a stupid person, as you know full well wealth CAN be created out of nothing. But I beg a question for you, can EVERYONE can create wealth on their own? Don't they need workers to make it possible? And who will be the workers? Are you advocating slavery - humans who live only for your profit? What does that makes you - a respectable human?

Or in your analogy of beasts of the wild, an animal still stuck in the jungles and have yet to evolve to humanity and its responsibilities to your society?

Keep up your propanda. It would have worked in the 17th century, where the masses had DELIBERATELY kept stupid, but not today. You may be stupid and a moron, but others do not share or even wanna live your stupidity.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
its fine, Cheney told us Debts dont matter

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.
O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd," a key constituency.

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

See, the republicans taught us that corporate greed is good and will always look out for the little people and debts dont matter...so there ya go, Why would the republicans lie to us...
Surely the republicans are not considering going back on their concept of economy now...come on, you can squeeze a bit more debt in there...pretend these unemployed people are actually CEOs wanting money for cigars if you have a big problem with giving people their savings...call it a corporate bailout on a small scale.

Sometimes I look at this world and get occasional "wtf, you cant be serious" moments. like living in a damned southpark episode.

Dude, politicians are all the same, they cant be trusted. Is this still news to you? History tells you that REPEATEDLY and any exceptions are statistically nonexistent. Dont over simplify, greed is not bad or good, it is a motivator and only one element in a complex and lengthy equation of life. But, if greed isn't good, exactly what is all this ENVY and ENTITLEMENT and COVETOUSNESS you repeatedly exhibit? Izzat good, or bad, or just dependent on if it's yours or mine? I suspect you expected to live forever? Your situation is of your making, in retrospect there's much you COULD have done not to be in this pickle. Tell me why you should feel entitled to steal from your neighbors by siccing the very instrument that killed you, on those who are marginally better off than you? Is this you interpretation of Hope and Change? Disease is defeated only by attacking the cause, and not the symptom. Dont become a tool and attack your neighbors, that's not where the problem originates...

I do agree something needs to be done however.

Time to stop the wars...stop the $%#^$# wars, cut the military budget straight in half...we cant afford the wars anymore else this beast is going to fall down flat.

Close down all overseas military bases.

Originally posted by Chaos Lord
Most of you just don't see it. You must not live in a city where unemployment rates are %10+!! There are not enough jobs if any at all in these cities you idiots!! Consider that most of these people who have lost their jobs have now spent everything just trying to live this depression out!! So they can't up and move to go mow your yard for scraps!!

Get your heads out of a$$es!!


[edit on 2/27/2010 by Chaos Lord]

Sounds like bad planning to me. Calling us idiots for their (your?) lack of planning seems pretty funny. Expecting others to help support their (your?) stupidity indefinitely doesn't look to be a good bet.

Originally posted by thatredpill
Tell me why you should feel entitled to steal from your neighbors by siccing the very instrument that killed you, on those who are marginally better off than you?

Will state again, People whom pay taxes at work put part of that money into unemployment compensation so if they are unemployeed, they collect the money until they find something new...the rainy day fund.

Entitled nothing, this is putting money in a jar in the back yard...if the government has come in and taken it, then its time to take it back from the government. Sell off some planes, stop your fun social war programs, or just mandate that all government officals make no more than 40k a year until the money they stole is put back.

Its quite simple...unemployment is not welfare, its citizen owned funds specifically contributed to and pulled from for this express purpose.

If you cannot follow this exceptionally simple logic, then oh well...but if you have a job, you might want to simply stop paying for UC because your saying that money is not for you but for cooler bombs.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II


Sounds like bad planning to me. Calling us idiots for their (your?) lack of planning seems pretty funny. Expecting others to help support their (your?) stupidity indefinitely doesn't look to be a good bet.

ok, you pay for insurance...say flood insurance.
a flood happens

well, the insurance company said...naa, we arent going to pay you because we overextended ourselves.

Sounds like you had some bad planning. Oh well, suck it up and stop complaining.

They should cut the welfare off instead and let the losers die. Sure, we would lose 2/3 of the population, but it would all be for the better. Maybe even strategic nuking of certain areas... The good thing about my scenario is that most of the welfare recipients got their phones shut off from non-payment and most can't read or write to send a letter so how are they going to complain? After this we can focus on real issues, like recycling, wind and solar energy, and basketball.

Originally posted by thatredpill
Dude, politicians are all the same, they cant be trusted. Is this still news to you? History tells you that REPEATEDLY and any exceptions are statistically nonexistent. Dont over simplify, greed is not bad or good, it is a motivator and only one element in a complex and lengthy equation of life. But, if greed isn't good, exactly what is all this ENVY and ENTITLEMENT and COVETOUSNESS you repeatedly exhibit? Izzat good, or bad, or just dependent on if it's yours or mine? I suspect you expected to live forever? Your situation is of your making, in retrospect there's much you COULD have done not to be in this pickle. Tell me why you should feel entitled to steal from your neighbors by siccing the very instrument that killed you, on those who are marginally better off than you? Is this you interpretation of Hope and Change? Disease is defeated only by attacking the cause, and not the symptom. Dont become a tool and attack your neighbors, that's not where the problem originates...

Divide and conquer now? Whom am I 'stealing' or is my 'neighbour'? If it was you, then I would certanily give you a break and ignore you. Corporate propagandists and the likes of me dont mix well. I doubt if you care about me, but rest assured, when you get your butt kicked by them, I will not shut my door, but invite you to a meal, of whatever that's life, simply because you are a human.

It's the selfish hoarding rich that must be taken to task today, or more will literally starve. One may not trust politicians, but at the end of the day, they do hold the keys to the treasury and policies.

There is no need to steal or rob. Only reasonable policies to help the unemployed today, for the mess created by your masters.

reply to post by David9176
It's easy to sit here and vilify the guy for not wanting to extend unemployment benefits. However, it is a well-established fact that extending unemployment benefits actually increases the unemployment rate. A lot of people are less inclined to go out and look for work when they can just sit on their butts at home and get a free government check.

If the government hadn't spent all of our money like drunken sailors on shore leave, then this wouldn't even be an issue right now.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I do agree something needs to be done however.

Time to stop the wars...stop the $%#^$# wars, cut the military budget straight in half...we cant afford the wars anymore else this beast is going to fall down flat.

Close down all overseas military bases.

How about ice cream rain with sprinkles and twin hot strippers for all? Dude, get with reality. Understand what humans are and what they're capable of. There is no end to war, even the antiwar people wage war on their opponents. It's in the blood, in your DNA. Conflict is the essense of life on the planet, there is no end to competition. The most expensive war is right here, the self sufficient, productive vs the nonproductive or defective. Nature is conservative, it rewards based on results, not artificial constructs intended to circumvent success. In nature, there's no disability, social security or retirement. Everyone works and succeeds or dies trying. That's the system, that's evolution. If you cant play and stay, youre dead, fred, and no law, no act of congress or proclamation will delay that reality for long enough to matter. We had a party, squandered our wealth on supporting the inefficient and unproductive, cause we thought we should, but reality has come back to reclaim the field and what can;t provide for ones own will serve to provide for those who chose to feast on your failure. No good or bad in it as far as the planets concerned, that's the way it is and will be, and you should have figured that out by now and worked around it the best you could. IT's a childs/tyrants game to say that reality should be changed. All tyrants pass that off as possible and millions die trying to change nature instead of simply accepting what is and working with it responsibly in a sustainable fashion. In all honesty you and those like you just want to change reality to comfortably make up for your own failure...

Originally posted by Rasputin13
reply to post by David9176

 

It's easy to sit here and vilify the guy for not wanting to extend unemployment benefits. However, it is a well-established fact that extending unemployment benefits actually increases the unemployment rate. A lot of people are less inclined to go out and look for work when they can just sit on their butts at home and get a free government check.

If the government hadn't spent all of our money like drunken sailors on shore leave, then this wouldn't even be an issue right now.

"well established fact"? By you? For your coporate masters? LOL! Who benefits from wars? None other than your corporate masters, who wouldnt hesitate to spill precious young american blood for a miserable buck for bettero ROI of their stock holdings!!!

Originally posted by thatredpill

How about ice cream rain with sprinkles and twin hot strippers for all? Dude, get with reality. Understand what humans are and what they're capable of. There is no end to war, even the antiwar people wage war on their opponents. It's in the blood, in your DNA. Conflict is the essense of life on the planet, there is no end to competition. The most expensive war is right here, the self sufficient, productive vs the nonproductive or defective. Nature is conservative, it rewards based on results, not artificial constructs intended to circumvent success. In nature, there's no disability, social security or retirement. Everyone works and succeeds or dies trying. That's the system, that's evolution. If you cant play and stay, youre dead, fred, and no law, no act of congress or proclamation will delay that reality for long enough to matter. We had a party, squandered our wealth on supporting the inefficient and unproductive, cause we thought we should, but reality has come back to reclaim the field and what can;t provide for ones own will serve to provide for those who chose to feast on your failure. No good or bad in it as far as the planets concerned, that's the way it is and will be, and you should have figured that out by now and worked around it the best you could. IT's a childs/tyrants game to say that reality should be changed. All tyrants pass that off as possible and millions die trying to change nature instead of simply accepting what is and working with it responsibly in a sustainable fashion. In all honesty you and those like you just want to change reality to comfortably make up for your own failure...

You are saying we should live in caves or jungles? Lol! Wouldnt you love that -survival of the fittest. When your mother gets old, will you dump her outside and let nature take its course?

You make me sick. Go on, Have fun. It's your freedom of speech. Only may you wake up one day to its responsiblities. No cheers from me to you. I don't give cheers to wild beasts, espacially from the corporate jungles.

[edit on 27-2-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by thatredpill
Dude, politicians are all the same, they cant be trusted. Is this still news to you? History tells you that REPEATEDLY and any exceptions are statistically nonexistent. Dont over simplify, greed is not bad or good, it is a motivator and only one element in a complex and lengthy equation of life. But, if greed isn't good, exactly what is all this ENVY and ENTITLEMENT and COVETOUSNESS you repeatedly exhibit? Izzat good, or bad, or just dependent on if it's yours or mine? I suspect you expected to live forever? Your situation is of your making, in retrospect there's much you COULD have done not to be in this pickle. Tell me why you should feel entitled to steal from your neighbors by siccing the very instrument that killed you, on those who are marginally better off than you? Is this you interpretation of Hope and Change? Disease is defeated only by attacking the cause, and not the symptom. Dont become a tool and attack your neighbors, that's not where the problem originates...

Divide and conquer now? Whom am I 'stealing' or is my 'neighbour'? If it was you, then I would certanily give you a break and ignore you. Corporate propagandists and the likes of me dont mix well. I doubt if you care about me, but rest assured, when you get your butt kicked by them, I will not shut my door, but invite you to a meal, of whatever that's life, simply because you are a human.

It's the selfish hoarding rich that must be taken to task today, or more will literally starve. One may not trust politicians, but at the end of the day, they do hold the keys to the treasury and policies.

There is no need to steal or rob. Only reasonable policies to help the unemployed today, for the mess created by your masters.

Dude, In all honesty I do need serious money badly, as I'm really in a pickle. Should I send you my addy? I need my tax money back, to save my a$$, but it seems you want it too and have been living off it for a while now. I'm not your enemy, I'm in your very shoes, but don't expect you to save my a$$, I know where the fault lies, and you should do what will do the most good, not ask for a frikken handout from those in as bad or worse shape than you. You're panhandling while others are preparing. Man up and take care of your own, let the rest of us take care of our own too. Only a child looks at others and assumes they're all happy, and flush with cash. Dude, were all screwed. We;re all in debt. You cant give what you dont have. We all man woman and child owe the govt over 300k each and believe you they're coming for it and will strip you naked and sell your bones and whatever you got left, and they're gonna do the same to everyone.

[edit on 27-2-2010 by thatredpill]

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


You are forgetting the basic tenent of conservative people, take care of your own.

I actually feel sorry the people of today that did not keep their family values.

That is where your safety nets are supposed to come from. Now smaller communities are another safety net.

Ever notice how the gov attacks self sustaining communities?

The government cannot and will not sustain people except by stealing from their neighbors. How is that working out for us so far?

Time to become sovereign communities and individuals again and to tell gov to take a flying leap!

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II


Sounds like bad planning to me. Calling us idiots for their (your?) lack of planning seems pretty funny. Expecting others to help support their (your?) stupidity indefinitely doesn't look to be a good bet.

ok, you pay for insurance...say flood insurance.
a flood happens

well, the insurance company said...naa, we arent going to pay you because we overextended ourselves.

If I were stupid enough to live in a flood prone area, then you'd have a point.

Sounds like you had some bad planning. Oh well, suck it up and stop complaining.

Hopefully you were looking in a mirror when saying that.

I know it's not fitting into the current thread too closely but there is a problem in terms of lower-end jobs. Our employers who hire illegal aliens and maintain them even though unemployment rose 10% and higher are some of the problem here. Now, many people looking for jobs may not want to take those jobs, but in my area, there are thousands of immigrant workers in jobs that may not be 100% legal. Even some guys who worked for my wife's aunt - they went back to Mexico after getting pressure for not having papers. They were in a moving van company doing hourly work for cash. Reliable hard workers - impossible to hire local citizens who could make it to work regularly, who weren't on drugs or who would work as hard. Immigrant workers have 5-10 million jobs our american young workers could do. All those kids in lines to audition for American Idol should be working hard to start their lives but instead are trying to earn a very rare career as a singer. Pretty telling of our citizenry.

Our unemployed need to get some of those jobs held by illegals - however, the employers don't want to lose the hard work put in by these men and women. From trash workers, gardeners, farm workers, factory workers and more - there are jobs out there that our unemployed could have but have no access too. Some are "too disgusting" for our folks to work at and so they take the unemployment check.

Originally posted by endisnighe

Time to become sovereign communities and individuals again and to tell gov to take a flying leap!

I think this may be the first time I fully agree with you. I mean, the rest of your post is partisan crap, but that I am on board with.

Originally posted by eventHorizon
Traitor!

There is money to bailout Goldman Sachs,

BUT no cash for American unemployed ????

That's about the best statement I have seen all year. This is becoming a powder keg that WILL NOT be contained. And our politicians made it all possible.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
It's about time the house of cards starts collapsing upon itself! Time for the people to see the real crimes this farce of an administration committed upon the U.S. Blaming this on one Senator standing up for his conservative beliefs is simply a farce and blame redirection. This has been coming along ever since Obama/Reid/Pelosi and the rest of their Totalitarian buddies started raping the American public last year for their own enjoyment and political agenda.

This is Gold ,lol

Kinda like a Monty Python Political Speech.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Hopefully you were looking in a mirror when saying that.

Dude...I own my own business, I have a job, why would I say that. I seen the s^%$ hit the fan and immediately started a small business to cash in on people tightening their belt.

So I would bet I am far more stable than even you are at this point, My stance is philosophical...and as a added benefit, once the economy improves, my business will improve a bit also...(arguably). So, your personal assumptions mean absolutely nothing when faced with the facts.

Facts are simple, you pay for rainy day crap, you need to get it back. You can side with thieves all you want and say people that dont agree with that stance are idiots...Your choice, and its clear what you truely are...a simple thief or thief sympathiser...the apex of flawed thinking in the world that needs to be washed away.

I can look in the mirror with my philosophies and stands, can you?