Why are babies sinners?

reply to post by seethelight


Haha, weirdo brands of Christianity, I like it.

I'm sure CofE preach purgatory too, but they are only one level away from RC.

reply to post by marg6043


God gave man freewill and man choose to use that freewill to disobey god.

That's what Christians think.

If we didn't have freewill we couldn't choose to love god... and he wants us to choose to love him... not be forced to or be programmed to.

So, he gave us a choice and we failed, but honestly, so did a bunch of angels... and they had wings...

in islam if a child/baby passes away they go to heaven

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by spy66

 

Oh, I've read the Bible. You have to have knowledge of something to understand it before you even start to make a rational decision about it. Read the Quran too, far too fire and brimstone for me, that one.

The problem is of course that the bible is more esoteric than rational and so, these questions remain unanswered.

Knowledge has two tracks. One leads to the facts. The other to our interpretations of some one Else's knowledge.

Having knowledge has nothing to do with facts. Knowledge has something to do with your understanding of facts. And that knowledge might no be as close to the real fact as we would like to think.

reply to post by nik1halo


Isn't the purgatory the creation of Dante Algiery when he wrote the Divine comedy of Dante?

I had to read that book in College.

reply to post by marg6043


No. He wrote a book based ont he idea... not the other way around.

reply to post by nik1halo


You are exactly why I said that.



I figured they must but didn't know.

reply to post by seethelight


Or that is what the church tells us so and has spend centuries trying to oppress men for, their free will and rational thinking along with creativeness.

That is why I find the God of Christianity and bible so humanly made that is not funny.

Only a human mind can create such a flawed god just as flawed as we human beings are.

I believe in a power that we all belong too and from we all come from, but the power I believe in is not flawed is perfect, the Christan God doesn't even come close to it

reply to post by seethelight


Got you, thanks, I believe it came from the middle ages or dark ages believes of haven and hell, but I could be wrong.

reply to post by spy66


You cannot possibly relate the words fact and religion, because knowbody can be 100% sure that their religion is fact. This is where faith comes in. I personally have no faith in religion, so therefore, I see the cracks in the whole.

reply to post by marg6043


I do agree with you. It would seam like God made a mistake. Because God never planed for Adam and Eve to sin. But how could he plan for it when he gave Adam and Eve a independent mind.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by nik1halo

 

Isn't the purgatory the creation of Dante Algiery when he wrote the Divine comedy of Dante?

I had to read that book in College.

No, I think Dante borrowed the idea from already preconcieved ideals from within Christianity. I may be wrong though.

That's a book that somehow has passed me by. I'll have to give it a whirl on of these days.

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by spy66

 

You cannot possibly relate the words fact and religion, because knowbody can be 100% sure that their religion is fact. This is where faith comes in. I personally have no faith in religion, so therefore, I see the cracks in the whole.

Than what are you arguing about. If there are no facts?
What is your point with all this?

What authority do you have that can judge me on behalf of my believes?

reply to post by marg6043


The Catholics invented it as a money making scheme.

The sold get out of purgatory cards for decades.

It's one of the things that led to Martin Lutheran and his ass kicking of the Catholics

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^^^

That's actually only half true:

en.wikipedia.org...

But as a lapsed Lutheran I still like bashing Catholics for selling forgiveness.

reply to post by spy66


No, that's all wrong.

And it's a huge issue if you dig deeply into Christianity.

Got knows EVERYTHING, so he knew A&E would choose to use their free will to sin.

I know, I know... but that's the belief.


I never bought into the the idea that you could have freewill if someone else knew what you were going to do, but Christians take it on "faith" which is really the underpinning of every religion.

Because, as we all know, if a single religion could PROVE to be true, everyone would be that religion.

So, instead, all gods ask for faith....

..and faith is belief without proof...

very clever loophole.

reply to post by Dermo


Babies who die go to heaven.I don't know what the age of accountability
is,it varies from different denominations.Some say 8,while others say 12.

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by spy66

 

No, that's all wrong.

And it's a huge issue if you dig deeply into Christianity.

Got knows EVERYTHING, so he knew A&E would choose to use their free will to sin.

I know, I know... but that's the belief.


I never bought into the the idea that you could have freewill if someone else knew what you were going to do, but Christians take it on "faith" which is really the underpinning of every religion.

Because, as we all know, if a single religion could PROVE to be true, everyone would be that religion.

So, instead, all gods ask for faith....

..and faith is belief without proof...

very clever loophole.

I guess you would know since you have read everything. So i stand corrected

But how do you know that its a fact and not just a human interpretation of facts?

God tells us not to learn from men but from God. Who did you get your knowledge from? From the source it self?

I am just asking.

reply to post by spy66


I haven't judged anyone. I question, because I wish to understand. There is nothing wrong with theological discussion. All I have said is that I personally do not believe. I come from a religeous family, why should I judge you?

I think you are starting to get a little too emotionally involved. Everyone else on here is having a nice, calm and rational debate about interesting ideals. Whether you believe them or not is completely up to you my friend.

Originally posted by seethelight

But as a lapsed Lutheran I still like bashing Catholics for selling forgiveness.

Ooo, my mother was Lutheran... Straaaange religion that one

Originally posted by kawacat
reply to post by calstorm

 

So why are we born with the nature to sin?

I think it is more along the lines of we are born with the instinct to 'suvive' notsin. persae.