The Gay Agenda -- You Can't Be Serious?

reply to post by Moonman1111


So long as they don't hurt the children, force their sexual orientation or anything else for that matter on them or sexually abuse them I don't see where it is my or your buisness.

Otherwords, this American does NOT agree with you.

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


I agree.

If I ever were to meet a homosexual couple raising children that way, I would be the FIRST to contact social assistance and have them removed from a horrible living condition.

Ohh, and the two of my children who are old enough to know what their sexual orientation is, are very straight..

~Keeper

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Really? You seriously call me a bigot because I don't want to see orphaned children being picked up and raised by homosexuals, regardless if they're upstanding community members or not? I guess thats the difference between me and you.

It would be so much cooler to leve them orphaned I guess

It just appears to some of us that you don't have any issues with the kids. It appears that the issue is with gay's period. That's where some of us on this side run into a problem

-Kyo

I personally don't care what gays do, as long as it doesn't involve me or children they can do what they want. I have a problem with pedophiles, homosexuals, drug addicts, carnies or anybody else outside of the normal, classic family household from adopting children. And that's where I stand.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Well I am happy to say the polls I posted seem to show they are swinging in your favor...that makes me happy

-Kyo

reply to post by Moonman1111


What exactly is normal praytell? You? Me? Normal is 100% subjective and you are in NO POSITION to dictate what is normal to anyone else hate to tell you.

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Homosexuality is unnatural. I mean that in a literal sense. Un-natural (dictionary definition) = against the workings of nature. The genitals of men and women are designed by nature to fit each other. Man/man and woman/woman sexual interactions are not in line with the workings of nature and are therefore, quite literally, unnatural. I rest my case.
And before you start bleating things like 'yes, but if this is my natural urge then why is it wrong to indulge it with like minded consenting adults?' I would add that my natural urge is to go out and shoot child molesters, rapists and terrorists, but I don't do so because it's WRONG.
And in case you were wondering I am not a religious nut, in fact I'm an atheist, so the so-called teachings of religion play no part in this comment.

I think anti-gay stuff is as bad as racism. I want to say worse, but racism is pretty freaking stupid. It is hard to top really. I am not gay, but I support the fight for equality and freedom. What is that saying, something like; I dont like your opinion but I will fight to the death your right to have it. Something similar. Freedom is freedom and you cannot expect to have it when you are taking it from others. Also, what happens in private is just that, private. I think gay people just need to make their own religion so they can get married and get it recognized. I am not sure how all of that works but it seems like a good theory to me. Not like the government can recognize some religions marriages and not others right?

To above poster;
Are you seriously comparing homosexuality to murder? Really? Ha. I guess it goes right along with the rest of your post. Carry on.

[edit on 25-2-2010 by A-E-I-Owned-You]

reply to post by tothetenthpower


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Most Americans believe that homosexuality is “against God’s will” and that same-sex “marriage” will degrade the institution of marriage, according to a new Los Angeles Times poll.

The poll of 1,616 adults, conducted March 27-30 and released April 10, showed that Americans hold seemingly contradictory views on some same-sex issues. For instance, a majority of Americans favor civil rights laws for homosexuals but oppose allowing same-sex couples to adopt.

While we have been busy discussing this relatively minor subject that rarely affects us in our daily lives, TPTB have been consolidating their power, destroying our economy and driving us into yet another war. The Gay Agenda: The greatest Weapon of Mass Distraction ever created.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So beautifully put in another thread that is running now, I couldn't help but post it here. I agree one hundred percent.

Originally posted by Moonman1111

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by Moonman1111
I want to know how a 'married' homosexual such as yourself managed to get a hold of 3 kids just so you can play 'family'. What you do with your butthole is your business, but those three children should not be brought up by two homosexual males, that is just a #ING BIG NO in my book. And I am safely able to say that most Americans agree with me on this issue.

No, most americans would call you a biggot. I'm not, since I'm not an American, but as a Canadian, your a biggot.

And you if think I "got a hold" of three children to play "family" than your also ignorant.

I wanted to raise children, so I had something to leave behind. So I could say I produce intelligent, well grounded and productive members of society?

What do you have to show for yourself?

Silly self righteous types and your arrogance to think that "most americans" agree with you. There's over 300 million of you, do you honestly think you are so intelligent and your ideas are so well put together and your morals are so well received by ALL those people.

Ridiculous...

~Keeper

Really? You seriously call me a bigot because I don't want to see orphaned children being picked up and raised by homosexuals, regardless if they're upstanding community members or not? I guess thats the difference between me and you. I think about the helpless and how it would affect them, you think about how it affects you and about what you want. Typical narcissistic homosexual attitude. If you wanted to raise children you should have done that with a wife or by yourself, or thought about that long and hard before you decided your love for penis and male anatomy was key to your happiness in life. And as to the fact of a homosexual agenda, yes it exists. It is made up of nancies such as yourself who wish to change the minds of the general public into accepting your lifestyle. And not just the majority of the 300 million Americans agree with me, but nearly the entire world does not wish to see the homosexual agenda take hold. Some countries that have zero tolerance to such dirty lifestyles are usually called 'barbaric', or titled as 'backwarded cultures'. I think Canada has a backward culture if anything if they openly allow homosexual couple to scoop up children.

Its so sad that there is so much hatred in the world when it comes to gay people. But i find these kind of people very backward at best. But, as we are still very primitive as a race, we are always gonna get these kind of people. And the sad thing is, most of these people believe that being gay is a choice! and that is a load of crap, but it makes them feel better saying crap like this.

As long as people are not hurting anyone else, then i dont care. Im more worried about the other problems like peodos,murderers,rapist, plus all the other stuff that is happening around the world.

Originally posted by expat2368
I REALLY find it objectionable when I hear of gay sex practices being discussed and taught in schools, kids who are gay know it at an early age. I doubt they need any further instruction. I also do not understand why gays have this urge to advertise their sexuality in an "in your face" kind of way.

I am a mother of two grown daughters and a grandmother of three.

I am all for both straight and gay sex education being open and treated as normal in the school system.

Information is information. What I'm against is shoving real life under a rug - as if it doesn't exist - - and is not a part of normal everyday life.

Originally posted by Moonman1111

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Really? You seriously call me a bigot because I don't want to see orphaned children being picked up and raised by homosexuals, regardless if they're upstanding community members or not? I guess thats the difference between me and you.

It would be so much cooler to leve them orphaned I guess

It just appears to some of us that you don't have any issues with the kids. It appears that the issue is with gay's period. That's where some of us on this side run into a problem

-Kyo

I personally don't care what gays do, as long as it doesn't involve me or children they can do what they want. I have a problem with pedophiles, homosexuals, drug addicts, carnies or anybody else outside of the normal, classic family household from adopting children. And that's where I stand.

By your own admission then you are a bigot. Outside the "normal" and "classic" family?

Way to stay in the dark ages my friend. Your ideals are very old and society moves forward, does not stay static.

That is purpose of culture, to advance and move forward.

I respect your decisions and beliefs, don't get me wrong, this is simply my opinion.

Can you at least admit that not ALL children raised by homosexuals are going to be messed up and gay? Or are just going to continually bang your head against the wall?

~Keeper

reply to post by Moonman1111

Appeal to Popularity

Also Known as: Ad Populum

Description of Appeal to Popularity
The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:


Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.

This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.

This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--Most Americans believe that homosexuality is “against God’s will” and that same-sex “marriage” will degrade the institution of marriage, according to a new Los Angeles Times poll.

The poll of 1,616 adults, conducted March 27-30 and released April 10, showed that Americans hold seemingly contradictory views on some same-sex issues. For instance, a majority of Americans favor civil rights laws for homosexuals but oppose allowing same-sex couples to adopt.

AHAHA so 1600 adults is MOST of America?

That's laughable.

In a southern state no less.

You keep digging that hole.

~Keeper

reply to post by ah...dehavilland


Abnormality and deviance in psychology is determined by damage done to either the victim or the actor. If two guys consent where is the damage? Now you can say that it offends you and that is ok but let's look at some factors here

1. You don't have to watch two guys go at it

2. If it offends you and you want homosexuality removed then you best be ready to get rid of religion, atheism, blacks, jews, whites, mexicans because all of those things offend people

3. There is no damage to the actor or the actee so long as it is in consent. Pedophilia is damage because that poor child is unable to make the decision to have sex with her adult abuser. In this case the two adults men who want to do things, there is no damage.

-Kyo

A little Protip to straight men who for some reason have something against the "gay males": The more gay men, the more women for straight people.
If I had something to say against being gay it's that it's "bad" in the way of not being able to reproduce. World could use some children grown up by "gays" at least they will understand other people's different views and opinions with some respect unlike some folks. And heck, I'd bet children grown up by "gays" would be much less judgemental about "different" looking people.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
If you want to be gay I don't give a hoot. But if you start parading down the street blocking traffic makin people late for work then i'll be pissed of. That's the main reason I don't like gays. They have to have their little parades that interfere with other peoples lives but their too full of it to notice or care.

There's rush hour gay parades everywhere everyday now?
I'm taking the subway!

lol

Oh, for my two cents.

a) gay is passé, so what, move on


b) hate is created and brought into the world by haters, it is not created by people who love each other regardless of sexual orientation.

c)yes, there IS a gay agenda. I think the gay folks need to deal with the people who are politicizing their preferences. It's not gays per se, it is someone else using gays as part of some other machination. It is rather obvious.

d) gays have higher rates of suicides, self esteem etc etc BECAUSE of extrinsic hate thrown at them day in and day out. You'd feel it too and in fact anyone who is stigmatized for not being like all the others experiences this in different degrees.

e) governments have created the problem by creating legislation that determines the differences in people and divides them instead of simply recognizing only adult / minors / infants

Summary:

Gays should have every right and freedom extended to them that any other citizen in the country has including marriage and any of the benefits tax wise or program wise that can be drawn from that.

Gays should be included in all aspects of society and barred from nowhere in society whatsoever same as anyone else.

So, at the very least, North America has made some steps in that regard and it really is getting better. Be patient rome wasn't built and it didn't fall in a single day.

P.S I don't think god will nuke us, I think some crazy prejudiced person filled with hate, bile and vitriol will nuke us. There's a HUGE difference. God gave us free will. We are to exercise it.


[edit on 25/2/2010 by djusdjus]

Originally posted by sos37

He's right about one thing though. You can't deny that those kids will be the target of ridicule in school and maybe out of school for having two gay fathers and no mother. I suppose it's collateral damage of the lifestyle, though.

Maybe, but it depends on the area. I live in a very liberal area in a very liberal state where behavior like that would not be tolerated. Yup, we are intolerant of intolerance. How hypocritical!

And surprisingly what this dispute has created is a form of segregation, where the gays find themselves pushed to gay friendly communities because of people who are so afraid of their children asking "why does Tommy have two daddy's?" It turns out that this is a plus, my community is full of artists, which somehow goes hand in hand with a demographic that has the taste and money to spend on art, of which gays are a big part of. While that is great, I feel sorry for those plain white bread towns whose only culture is a sports bar, and I wish there was more of it to go around. It is a funny correlation that I don't fully understand how it emerges, but I can't help but pinpoint. As they say, to each his own.

Brings me to a true story. The other day my five year old son said "So and so has two mommies." and you know what happened immediately after that...... Would you believe that he didn't break out in tears and start screaming? nothing at all happened. I was like? Oh really, that's cool, some people have two mommies, some have two dads, some have one of each, heck some have no dads or moms at all, they live with their grandma's or grandpa's every family is different, can you pass the TV remote now?". And we moved on to play with some Thomas the tank engine toys.

People would only have a legitimate problem with kids asking those questions if they have been teaching their children to hate up until that moment.

Those are the children I feel most sorry for, because of a choice they are unable to make about how to feel about certain groups based on a completely irrelevant reason, thanks to their parents "good intentions"

-rrr

reply to post by KoinMagus


i also believe it's deliberate modification of our genome. i had breast cancer a few years ago, and the prognosis was i had WAY too much estrogen, the cancer was actually estrogen based. i went into early menopause when they removed the breast and they couldn't give me estrogen therapy for fear it'd feed any residual cancer. what if that's happening to people all over the planet? altering the way the pituitary gland is kicking out hormones during development. surely that would influence things like phermone attraction and so on, that all plays such a vital role in sexual attraction.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by Moonman1111

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Really? You seriously call me a bigot because I don't want to see orphaned children being picked up and raised by homosexuals, regardless if they're upstanding community members or not? I guess thats the difference between me and you.

It would be so much cooler to leve them orphaned I guess

It just appears to some of us that you don't have any issues with the kids. It appears that the issue is with gay's period. That's where some of us on this side run into a problem

-Kyo

I personally don't care what gays do, as long as it doesn't involve me or children they can do what they want. I have a problem with pedophiles, homosexuals, drug addicts, carnies or anybody else outside of the normal, classic family household from adopting children. And that's where I stand.

By your own admission then you are a bigot. Outside the "normal" and "classic" family?

Way to stay in the dark ages my friend. Your ideals are very old and society moves forward, does not stay static.

That is purpose of culture, to advance and move forward.

I respect your decisions and beliefs, don't get me wrong, this is simply my opinion.

Can you at least admit that not ALL children raised by homosexuals are going to be messed up and gay? Or are just going to continually bang your head against the wall?

~Keeper

Dark ages huh? So homosexual couples are the light? Your ideas are new, fresh, and are the way of the future, cause its 2010 baby! By your own admission, you are behind the gay agenda. Homos adopting children is not advancing or moving forward. Maybe in your mind it is. And you're full of fallacies man. For example you say it 'isnt about sex, but love for my husband'... You obviously were chasing after men at least their phenotypes if you some how managed to fall in love with one, that combined with your displeasure with women or inability to 'love' women. It has nothing to do with character or personality or love. It is about lust and attraction. That is what every gay relationship is built on. I'm sure many normal healthy relationships are built on lust too, but not near the level of the homosexual. Again, you are only baiting me into a debate. None of this or that matters, the bottom line is who cares what gays do, but as soon as they start adopting people need to speak out. And thats where I will leave off.