Hugo Chavez demands Queen returns Falkland Islands to Argentina

reply to post by woodwardjnr



I agree with your sentiment .. infact ... I was the first one to request an end to all this stupid talk about nukes...

I was merely pointing out to another poster who was insinuating that the UK was the aggressor that Britains policy has always been to defend its citizens. Please tell me if you think that this is a duff policy and explain why.

I was not getting all bravado as you suspected.

reply to post by Vitchilo


How Rude and ignorant to you and anyone who gave you a star!

I am British, I'm not Lazy, I don't drink beer day, I'm not a fan of the Monarchy and I am not Dumb, us British people are not at war with anyone, it is our government who may I add, I did not vote in and I agree with one thing you have said our government is corrupt yes, but so is yours!

We are suffering financially as everyday people and our future is looking bleak, the people here are not the same as the government!

Where did you obtain your ignorant ideas of the British people from?

Also want to mention, I am not interested in the Falklands the Queen can hand it back for me!

[edit on 23-2-2010 by findlesticks]

reply to post by stumason


sure, you guys will just go to SA and start destroying everything lol

its not something I will discuss, I am just saying, it wont happen, its very simple

you wont be able to get int approval to attack anyone ...

Originally posted by gusan


How smart is it to kill and die for a flags color or for a country man? LOL! We live in a world where people kill eachother every single minute, all the time we kill eachother, same land same city even same neighborurhood, maaan even same familly..yet you are open to go and kill and die for the same person you would kill for a pair of Nike shoes or a stupid discussion or insult. Its amazing.
Try pretend the boarders are just ink on a paper...brothers all over maaan brothers and sisters all over, black, yellow small big large fat tiny gays whatever..all familly.
Peace all.

If everybody was as peaceful as you then it wouldn't be a problem.

For all its faults, the UK is a VERY tolerant place, but does that mean that we should let someone just march in and help themselves and dictate over our citizens.

As I said a few pages back, we live in a day and age where mostly, over the past few hundred years, boundaries have been pretty much agreed on.

So yes - I agree with you and I'm sure you would agree with this ...
The Falklanders have been British for 200 years+ so let's just leave it like that shall we.!

reply to post by findlesticks


Its kind of difficult when most people here speak of war as soon as a Latinamerican or Arab leader farts too loud. Then "you" are being attacked as a population and thats not right. But you have to agree that the GB do have a lot of human resources willing to go for war.
So to clarify my stand; if you are not for war and imperialism you are respected, where ever you come from.

regards

reply to post by gusan


I'm not for war, but I am for protecting the rights of people who have been through the process of self determination and have decided they want to remain british.

Argentina wants to take that right from the population of the falklands and force them into something they do not want - in such a case, if they resort to force as they did once before (for purely political reasons) then there is no answer other than force.

reply to post by soundgeeza


Well, one could debate wether its right or wrong to "own" land so far away from your homeground, it can be done without hoping for war, in any case what i am adressing is not that. It is all the people here so easilly asking for war..comparing who has the greatest airforce, how many nukes it would take and so on..its inmature and i do not respect that. I also se this being the problem, you have had the chance to learn from history, we see it every day..what war leads to, what your invasions cause.
I am a pasifist yes, but if anyone comes to my house with the wrong intentions i would do anything to protect it..that does not imply defending any nation for any peace of land anywere. I would not kill or die for the owners, for their sake let THEM, or their children go to war, stop feeding them with YOUR working class life.

reply to post by budski


Yes, the war in the 80s was all about how to steal great amounts of money from the Arg people. I can not prmise you this but i would guess the mi6 or 5 or whoever was in charge of the Brittish navy knew exactly what was going on and even acted as demanded to reach their goals.
Now, this is the same peole that would be in charge of any military action in this matter...ok you go kill and die for them..you are just their most valuable resourse...

Originally posted by gusan
reply to post by budski

 

Yes, the war in the 80s was all about how to steal great amounts of money from the Arg people. I can not prmise you this but i would guess the mi6 or 5 or whoever was in charge of the Brittish navy knew exactly what was going on and even acted as demanded to reach their goals.
Now, this is the same peole that would be in charge of any military action in this matter...ok you go kill and die for them..you are just their most valuable resourse...

What money was stolen in 1982?

What the hell have MI6/5 got to do with it?
Do you even know who they are?

Do you believe in democracy?

Do you believe that people should have the right to choose who governs them?

Would you say that a miltary dictatorship launching a war of aggression was a bad thing?

Originally posted by budski

Originally posted by gusan
reply to post by budski

 

Yes, the war in the 80s was all about how to steal great amounts of money from the Arg people. I can not prmise you this but i would guess the mi6 or 5 or whoever was in charge of the Brittish navy knew exactly what was going on and even acted as demanded to reach their goals.
Now, this is the same peole that would be in charge of any military action in this matter...ok you go kill and die for them..you are just their most valuable resourse...

What money was stolen in 1982? The peoples money.

What the hell have MI6/5 got to do with it?
Do you even know who they are? Yes i do, i meant to point out whoever was in charge of Intel or the real reasons for war. You think the Brittish went there to save a few rightfull citicents from the bad agressors? lol! Pardon me if i adressed the wrong authority. The point is THEY (whoever was in charge) KNEW and played the game very well.
Do you believe in democracy? I do! I just dont believe we have one anywere as long we are in the hands of the "owners" that is the corporations that profits from your nationalism and agressive mind.

Do you believe that people should have the right to choose who governs them? Like you ever ever have? lol!

Would you say that a miltary dictatorship launching a war of aggression was a bad thing? What? This is ridiculous, this depend on were you are standing. What else can asure you that in war all involved think they are fighting against the bad..i mean a suicide bomber really must think he is doing the right thing to blow him and others up just like -or even more convinced- than a pilot bombing irak.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by gusan]

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by soundgeeza
reply to post by gusan

 

My dear old chap ... It's NOT the British beating our chests and making threatening gestures!

If British citizens are put at risk, they will be defended.

you gonna go out there and defend them? or do you think someone else should risk their lives for an Island thousands of miles away?

Well if it all does kick off at least we can be safe in the knowledge brave chaps like you will be quing up at the army recruitment centre?

I would, i would re-enlist for sure, and there are alot of men & women who would also, alot of my old mates who are in the army still would aswell, its not like afghan this time we would be deffending british people on british territory, "again" cowards can stay at home hide & make the munitions as allways, thats generally how it pans out. they're no good to us with that sort of attitude on the front line.

they are ours islands with british citizens living on, wot sort of people would we be to just leave them to deffend themselfs? words fail me... they really do,

also i do not think theres chest beating going on just insulted patriotic Brits with Chavez comments & the argentinians s**t stering for another war, its natrual to get a tad insulted /angry when idiots talk trash about there country and make threats with no good reason at all... i think its important for them to know, we wont cower from you or your allies no matter how big & bad they are,

reply to post by gusan


Wow, such a hotchpotch of canned answers, with no understanding and more than a little ignorance.

Whose money was stolen?

Which peoples money?

How much was it?

Where was this money?

Does the FACT that the islanders want to remain british mean nothing to you?

Let argentina and chavez start a war over this, he said they will not be alon like they were in the 80's. I cant really help but laugh at that. Whos going to be helping him Proabably the brazilian president who wants the white man to help him rebuild the rainforest because it is "our" falt. They need to get over themselfs, do they really think they can get anything from the uk. I hope they have heard of nato.

Why do you think they claimed the islands in first place?
Argentina had a corrupt rightwing military government (suported by the same forces that suported all kind of military governments all over South Am) by that time and they knew their time was soon over. If you are not familiar with how a bunch of corrupted generals can fill their pockets throu war please google cause there is so much on that subject its not nessesary for me to teach you.

reply to post by aristocrat2


As a working class Englishman born in 1972, and who started work in 1988, i cannot condone what margret Thatcher did to the trade unions, the miners and the rest of British industry.

She systematicaly destroyed British industry while at the same time finding cheap alternatives to import.

But as a Englishwoman, against the world she was, is, without equal.

"YOU TURN IF YOU LIKE,BUT THE LADY´S NOT FOR TURNING".

Does the FACT that the islanders want to remain british mean nothing to you?

No, not that much really. In any case, this population came or grew out of an invasion.
1520 the islands were "discovered" by Esteban Gomez and were by then owned by the Spansh royalty. Thereafter a buch of people came, from portugal holland and england. From there it is a streak of invaisons untill reasently, you all invaded each other in diferent ocasions. And finally you won after first being evicted by the Spanish and so on..

This is a pease of land far away from your country, the population OF COURSE they whant to be English..they would probably loose every right to any land.
Only you have been brought up believing this is yours and that it is your proud obligation to die for it..

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reply to post by gusan


But the population of Argentina grew out of an invasion

Would you politely return the land to its rightful owners, you cannot be a hypocrite now. Or are the rules different the third world pseudo democracy of Argentina?

If the current Falklands crisis does go the way 1982 went, then Argentina and anyone else in that part of the world (yes, Hugo, I'm talking about you) will have an even bigger surprise than previously. Britain has troops with battle experience, not just patroling in Northern Ireland. Battle hardened and experienced British troops are not what you want to see on your front door step.

reply to post by gusan


Perhaps you could answer the questions about the money.

Just scroll up, they're still there awaiting your attention.

reply to post by andy1972


As a working class Englishman from a mining family, I would add that Maggy's hand was forced by the Trade unions, who thought they could dictate policy of wages and other things in an economical crisis.

I'm by no means defending what she did, but I can understand it.

At the end of the day no-one was going to push her around. And to be fair, we did come out of the last Tory government in a very strong economic position.