Hugo Chavez demands Queen returns Falkland Islands to Argentina

Chavez makes these big claims from time to time.

reply to post by Faiol


here I leave you with some images of demostrations aginst Chavez, we can talk majorities then.

P.S: I am Venezuelan who lived there until 4 years ago so I am pretty aware of the situation there.











This are all images from demostration against Chavez in different years. Unfortunately, this information does not go out here. There is a lot of info that you are not allow to get hold of.


and the Pussycats:



Guys, nothing wil happen with UK or Argentina. Chavez is the biggest clown. A murderer corrupt full of social resentment.

Chavez family has taken over land, properties and everything they want. Have a accounts inm Switzerland and its helping FARC to get stronger.
But, I believe a person like Chavez is there in purpose. the opposition of Venezuela at the same time is more comsumist than ever, its more Americanised than ever, its because, a person like Chavez has pushed the society to be more inclined to America and then it would be easier to control. Chavez gives awayu practically the oil to America... with such stupid prices. There is no motive for him to go beyond his talk talk talk... his a puppet, like ALL POLITICIANS.

There is nothing he has contributed for.

Venezuela is on the map just because we have a clown as president. beofre you all knew about Venezuela's existence, at least on the political side we once were a potential economy in Latin-America. Being on the North of the Continent we are the cross-ver the rest of the South.

The Dollar was 625 Bolivares when he started and now it's around 5000. The unemployement rate has gone up. The violence has tripled at least, Caracas being now the second most dangerous city in the world. in a weekend there is about 200 people dead overall and we are not officially in any war. Kidnaps are heard everyday asking for $600.000 the last time I heard, when a friend was kidnapped. Some say that its the main police which I believe, full of corruption they are indeed.

There is no electricity everyday for 4 hours to "save energy" when before, we had enough electricity with such big plant as The Guri.

People who signed the last Referedum, the "Chavistas" as they are known, got hold of the list and made life impossible to those in the list. Even today this people are warned everyday, they can't find a job because the first thing they ask you is: did you sign?

Main food products cannot be found: eggs, milk, cheese.

Cubans have been brought to work in Venezuela taking over jobs such as doctors, teachers, and even Ministry when you are supposed to be Venezuelan. I support inmigration but this has been done in such a horrible way to decrease the power of the middle class.

You can say you know about this things., That everywhere in the world things happens. Ok, definetely but you should really live in the country to understand... I cannot talk about Obama because I dont leave there, I dont like him becase he sounds like Chavez but in a much diplomatic, educated way... but he is another puppet.

Now... UK, I live here now... and they wont live the Maldivas... it makes more sense that it was an Argentinian island as is...err... beside Argentina (what the English went there fore in the first place) but now its an English majority and claiming that land back will only bring more problems.

What I have understand about the situation is that where the Argentinians found the Oil was on a distance to the Maldivas that was the same to Argentina land. So? What happens there?

Originally posted by BabyMD
well my bets are on and I'll be laughing all the way to the bank! And FYI, the UK aren't going to nuke latin america over the Falklands- don't be so naive. Look, I seriously don't want to get into an argument about this. I just think it's extremely presumptous to think that the outcome of this is firmly fixed in the UK's favour.
The entire political landscape of south america has changed in the last 30 years. And an arrogant Britsh presumption of victory could get a lot of people killed. Don't forget that the UK are actually in contravention of UN rules by refusing to simply enter into talks about this issue.

www.un.org...

The region has not changed as much as you obviously wish. The South American economies, with the exception of Chile, are very fragile creatures indeed, as are their "progressive" (gag) governments. Britain can more than handle the Argentines militarily. The US and Columbia together can totally destroy what is left of Chavez' economy and military. Brasil is not suicidal and Chile, under new management, wouldn't give Chavez a glass of water if he were dying of thirst. Frankly, no one really gives a damn what Mexico would do.

Originally posted by 3DPrisoner
All Chavez and Argentina have to do (at this point) is keep the British concerned down there. By doing this the naval/air/land resources that will be required to protect that oil rig and the ones to follow will become economically unfeasible.

Chavez is not as stupid as a lot of these posters seem to believe. As to the members who are posting pictures of protests I ask you all to not be fooled by this. Chavez has had to contend with a disgruntled middle class every since he was elected. They protest regularly. Don't let that smoke and mirrors fool you.

From what I hear from my sources in Argentina, is that the president doesn't have a prayer of re-election. She and her cabinet have plundered the Argentine coffers and the people know this. But that's normal in South America.

Brazilian support should be worrisome though. If Brazil helps and in some way get's hit by British bombers or has some of it's ships sunk then I'd watch out here. Brazil has millions upon millions of young men who wouldn't mind a paycheck for a change.

Rather than gloating that Britain will make quick work of this situation I think the troubling possibility is that the bulk of South America could become united into a common cause of removing the yoke of anglo/gringo influence and perceived thievery of natural resources in their neck of the woods. Their countries have been exploited by oil cartels/and various conglomerates before.

I think what this will all come down to is who is going to become the next leader of Argentina and what will this man's feelings towards the anglo/gringo historical paradigm be. If he is a nationalist like Chavez, then look out Falklands especially in lieu of this continent wide support that seems to have quickly sprouted up.

I also caution the "This situation will be handled quickly" team that these are always the famous last words of those who go off to 4-6 year wars regularly.

In another post I pointed out that Latin America has a long memory and they still have not forgotten the School of the Americas and all of the niceties it brought down upon their people since the 40s. The days of South Americans being uneducated and unaware are over. Knowing their past I'm sure they have little patience for Northern tampering once again whether this is truly a case of it or not.

EDIT: Nicaragua, Brazil, and even Mexico has pledged support to Argentina in this conflict... This is starting to get interesting folks. So now this is expanding past South American unity clear into Central American support as well. This thing is picking up steam fast. I would not have suspected Central American backing....

So the stakes are climbing for the oil cartels now. He, he, good.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by 3DPrisoner]

I don't think Chavez is stupid at all, I think he's a piece of rabid scum and should be treated accordingly. Collateral damage really doesn't interest me much as long as they are Chavez supporters.

Very interesting thread !

Brazil always have been seen like the black ship of the South America mainly because we don´t even speak Spanish.
Our culture is a lot different from the other countries over here.
Brazil was colonized by Portuguese and had several wars for territory against the Spanish colonies.
In 1826 we lost the Uruguay, and Argentina helped it fighting against us Brazilians.

We have no allies here , we are called imperialists by leftist governments .
When we bought Billions of euros in armaments from France and Russia recently our focus was in Bolivia and Venezuela and even Colombia as future sources of problems.
Now people from the Latin America menace the British with the Brazilian military power like we were puppets from countries that are more our enemies in many aspects than British or any other Commonwealth member.
Really funny!
Argentinians used to call us Brazilians macaquitos "little monkeys" because we have a lot of afro-descendants here.
we have, and we are proud of them.
We are also proud of the Italian,Japanese , German, Jewish and Arabian people we have here.
We do not feel even Latin in the strict sense of the word.
But if the prejudice continues and someone wants to produce some nuclear mushrooms over here, please drop the bombs in Brasilia ! Its the capital of Brazil and most of the politicians live there.
Lula , our illiterate president will not be here next year ,we have elections in October, he has just 10 months to keep saying BS in international forums .


[edit on 23-2-2010 by Max Devoe]

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by andy1972

 

As a working class Englishman from a mining family, I would add that Maggy's hand was forced by the Trade unions, who thought they could dictate policy of wages and other things in an economical crisis.

I'm by no means defending what she did, but I can understand it.

At the end of the day no-one was going to push her around. And to be fair, we did come out of the last Tory government in a very strong economic position.

It's not just that, its that the industries were dying anyway. They'd become uneconomical, and so the only options were bailouts and letting the rot continue, or cutting it off before it got any worse. What option do you really have? (unless your name is Gordon Brown)

Will somebody please take out this pathetic dictator Chavez!

I've heard he hates Israel........Mossad, Mooossssaaadd, Where are you? Damn, where are they when you need em

Originally posted by 3DPrisoner
reply to post by hans kammler

 

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago. The stakes have indeed been raised for the oil cartels riding in the carriage with the Queen right now.

Brazil backing Argentina alone should be enough to give the clear thinkers here some pause. The only country down there that certainly wont help is Columbia but South America can get buy without them anyway.

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Once again, I hope the very best for the British and that not one of them should lose their lives over this. But drilling off the coast of the Falklands is just a little too arrogant in my books for South America to have to sit and bear for too long. Here I think is the true underlining problem about this whole affair.

This is one of a just a few intelligent posts I've read in this thread so far.
18 pages of drivel.

reply to post by Unplugged


Well thankyou for your valuable contribution.

You have been ever so helpful, we don't know what we'd do without you.

Diplomats in Latin America believe that President Kirchner is using the issue for domestic purposes. “This is principally a PR campaign, not a serious legal or diplomatic effort,” said one.

So, that's what Latin America truly thinks of the situation.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Yes, UNPLUGGED´s post is a surprising mix of interlectually based research and profound thought, a post that would indeed leave the great thinkers such as Proust or Kant feeling, well....glad that they died.

[edit on 22/02/2010 by andy1972]

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Sir, I second your observation of UNPLUGGED's post. Is there some book on the market that I missed that touts the South American nations' military prowess and economic soundness? These are the same voices that warned that Syria would crush Israel in 1973. Let's all remember how that one worked out... oh, yes...if it hadn't been for the UN, Damascus would now be the largest city in Israel.

reply to post by Office 4256


Yes there is a book available on south american armed forces.
Its called "Dr Zeus´s big book of the world least potentially dangerous armies".

Its available from Amazon.com..

Or if you buy it in one of the countries mentioned in the book it only has photos, because the majority cant read.

(Only kiddin folks....its only 15% of Ecuador that cant read)

[edit on 22/02/2010 by andy1972]

Keep speaking of war.
I just read Chavéz speach, he talks about DIMPLOMACY he sais GB and ARG needs to sit and solve this. Sure he suports Arg but he is absolutly not into war.
All this war crap is pure ATS fiction, a bunch of proud MEN that actually enjoy war.
Its a conflict yes, but not at all close to war as many here wants.

reply to post by gusan


Would this have something to do with the fact that BBC news have stated that the majority of South America are saying that this is purely BS and propaganda on belhalf of Argentina.
Latin America is NOT behind Argentina.

Would it be that Señor Chavez suddenly feels very very very lonely in his sabre rattling and has decided that it would be better to talk the talk than walk the walk..

[edit on 22/02/2010 by andy1972]

Originally posted by andy1972
reply to post by gusan

 

Would this have something to do with the fact that BBC news have stated that the majority of South America are saying that this is purely BS and propaganda on belhalf of Argentina.
Latin America is NOT behind Argentina.

Would it be that Señor Chavez suddenly feels very very very lonely in his sabre rattling and has decided that it would be better to talk the talk than walk the walk..

[edit on 22/02/2010 by andy1972]

He is actually very entertaining; if it wasn’t for his constant dribble Venezuela would be in the news about as much as any other neighboring South American country, which would be almost zero. Brazil on the other hand is a great place with a great diversity of people/culture, and with about 180 degrees in view of what Chavez is pushing.

The bottom line though is Chavez…Venezuela… who really cares…..

reply to post by gusan


Sovereignty is non-negotiable whilst the occupants of The Falklands wish to remain British.
End of story.

Britain has offered to share development of the oil fields with Argentina who refuse to talk.

It is Argentina who are being obstinate and refusing to negotiate.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by gusan

 

Sovereignty is non-negotiable whilst the occupants of The Falklands wish to remain British.
End of story.

Britain has offered to share development of the oil fields with Argentina who refuse to talk.

It is Argentina who are being obstinate and refusing to negotiate.

Agreed. There really is no reason for Britain to negotiate.

reply to post by Max Devoe


Brasil??? The black sheep! NAO NAO!

I dont think so and you can confirm it by how the economy has being a tremendoues success in Brasil at the moment.

the reason why Brasilians are really working hard and doign things right its because they are coming out of a long dictatorship not too long ago...
I believe coutnries need to pass through this to have a better impact in the future... ups and downs..! People learn!