Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

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EISCAT explanation is too good to be true.

then who created the Yekaterinburg spiral posted on youtube later on the same day, who created several Chinese spirals, posted after Norway but filmed by Chinese TV much earlier, and who created the wormhole over Thailand, posted after and probably created before Norway? All is available on youtube.

EISCAT explanation is too convenient to be true.
Eiscat could be either the target of the spiral, or it could target whatever object the spiral could be.
Notice the spiral comes over the horizon, and only after it is in the sky over Norway, it spreads a blue ray towards the below facility Eiscat.
To claim Eiscat is the cause, means to change the cause with the sequence.
Yes indeed, Eiscat had increased activity in that time. Again - it could be the target of the Russian superweapon, or it could target it by itself. No one will tell you yes? Rather they would provide all "proof" to prove the unprovable - that the Norway spiral is fully under control of the facilities that we know about. Exactly in the time of Obama visit.

Much more important question is who gave that technology to the Russians and the Chinese.
It is not the Grey. Otherwise, by now USA would test several spirals. One should start thinking of different ET groups with different agendas, who are allied with different world powers.

Also see Bearden's scalar weapons. Not everything "scalar" is "haarp-like" that is Eiscat. Haarp doesn't qualify even for a 1st generation real scalar weapon. Bearden in his books and website reports that Russia has 3rd generation scalar weapons, while China and Brazil, and probably England - second generation. France is advancing fast. USA is out of scale. Even if HAARP is first generation, it is still behind the generators of waves that move not through 3+1 D but through higher dimensions, so to speak, and materialize on the target. Pretty much what the wormhole did.

Why does no one speak of the wormhole formed, and instead concentrates on the spiral? Thailand wormhole is best recorded. is it torsion field - spin-like new kind of field? We know electron spin, but we did not know it could be extended to macroscopic level like the elctromagnetic field. Now we see it.

You could also browse at Wilcock's site divinecosmos.com about prof. Kozyrev's torsion fields. Despite Wilcock assumes torsion theory for the spiral, he doesn't move forward from the current official position - that the spiral is a haarp-like creature. Personally, I think Wilcock knows much more than he writes, and the extend he writes depends on other factors including his security as he mentioned.

Project Camelot interview of Dr Uvarov and the Russian stargate pyramids tapping geophysical internal powers, the Polar shift, and the "Terminators" - bolts of flash that destroy meteorites over USA. Could the spiral be a product of one of these technologies? The truth is we do not know the truth.

The Russian pyramid posted online on the same day as the spiral, is filmed before 2006 when Rossiya Hotel is still not demolished - visible on the background. So say some comments from Moscow. That means Russia had those supertechnologies for at least 5 years. Not strange, if we are now told they had space based laser for at least 20 years...


EISCAT explanation is too good to be true.

reply to post by Gliese581

All of the areas that you have listed which experienced spirals have their versions of HAARP and Eiscat. You are aware of that...RIGHT? (With the exception of Thailand.) And just so you know, electromagnetic radiation is not limited to geographic location. It can be directed anywhere.

I hope you actually read the link on the front page before posting.

And so far, there have only been two spirals of that variety ever seen.

Also, we're trying to approach this without involving any further conspiracies to cloud our judgments. Yes, I believe in extra-terrestrials, the Universe is far to vast to rule them out. However, since this is an amazing and sensational experience in of itself, we still have to exhaust all conventional options first. Usually when ET's are brought into the equation, the credibility of the thread suffers. So, we're trying to do this the right way first.

I appreciate your response. Thank you for your contribution.


[edit on 21-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by DGFenrir
Another thread where someone posts an article that mentions spirals without actually reading and understanding it.
Good job!

[edit on 21/2/2010 by DGFenrir]

And by the way...What do you understand about sky spirals? Because, to my knowledge, this is a pretty new phenomenon that there aren't many studies on, and to which has no experts.

SO, please, illuminate for me your expertise on the Sky Spiral Phenomenon that hasn't been yet presented. Obviously, you have much more knowledge than the rest of us, and we would love to be enlightened by your superior knowledge.

I'll be here.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


that is my point exactly this projectile if it is one is Controlled

i hope some day there a video or a ex employee comes forward to explain it all we won t see it in a few decades so so but if it came to light ESICAT plasma group or Russia would be in big trouble with an airspace violation and possible dangers of harms way around the area this is the reason it could be a cover up

one undeniable truth is

1 it happened near Esicat location

2 students in all kinds of university's (the plasma group) do payload experiments with the help of eiscat ( possible projectile ? )

as both study the ionosphere and work together

3 russian testing around the same location

ok the puzzle forming a picture !

best location for a aurora light show both natural or artificial!!!

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


The answer to the first 3 questions may lie in the altitude of the formation. Relying on tauristercus' analysis the lowest point of the formation was 119 km or ~74 miles. This is well above the 62 mi "edge of space". This for the most part would remove any atmospheric forces. So dissipation would occur over a much longer period of time and the contrail would remain at its imparted velocity. An explosion would not be heard as sound does not propagate in a vacuum. The remains of the missile would still be orbiting the earth w/ an eventual burn up during reentry. The actual shape in 3D would be a cone w/ the apparent widening at the base due to distance and outward velocity of the contrail itself. As far as a sonic boom, it would be heard at its greatest volume on the White Sea w/ substantial losses the further away the viewer happens to be.
The one thing that still troubles me is the apparent blue shaft of visible light. It would have to come from some where and if Eiscat is the only installation in that direction you'd almost have to assume thats where it came from. We need to know more about what that facility is capable of or we're all just making WAGs.

ok im throwing this find in the mix could it be possible eiscat cause a simulation of a the parker spiral ? with an natural aurora formation


please look at this picture it explains a lot of the aurora
a spiral like that is caused by eiscat or is a natural phenomenon !
i doubt the second
have you ever seen a aurora formation like this picture

it must be artificial something has caused it




en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 21-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

True, and explosion wouldn't be heard in space, but, in order to get outside of the atmosphere, the missile would still have to break the sound barrier. Additionally, there would have been witnesses to the launching...somewhere, somehow.

And I totally agree about your assessment on the blue trail. Given that the Eiscat facility is dangerously close to where the spiral was seen, it would only make sense.

I've posted quite a bit of information on its respective abilities as shown by the facility itself, as well as HAARP. Eiscat acts as a receiver to HAARP's transmissions.

I'm positive that after reading the Harvard article that Eiscat had something to do with this spiral.

The only witnesses would be the personnel on the ships near the launch and I doubt if they are talking. On shore it is likely that no one would have seen it because it was night time. Without light reflecting off of them the contrails probably couldn't be seen. The sonic boom would be fairly quiet on shore as well and I suspect most folks were inside and either didn't hear it or paid it little attention.

I agree something was going on from Eiscat, but what? Everything I've read on those facilities speak of HF and VHF radio. That could also mean they have total frequency control getting into UHF, SF, EHF (microwaves), and possibly IF and visible light. That could be the reason the light appeared blue from all angles. Tight control of the light frequency could account for the lack of white light.

A region between microwaves and IF, sub millimeter waves (Terahertz radiation) is another thought that has crossed my mind. Until recently this area of the spectrum was basically unused. It is now being used in Imaging (my interest) and the military is experimenting with it (probably HAARP).

from Wikipedia
Until recently, the range was rarely studied and few sources existed for microwave energy at the high end of the band (sub-millimetre waves or so-called terahertz waves), but applications such as imaging and communications are now appearing. Scientists are also looking to apply terahertz technology in the armed forces, where high frequency waves might be directed at enemy troops to incapacitate their electronic equipment.

Could have been the whole shebang. An experiment in missile defense by screwing w/ the guidance systems.

Originally posted by rleexray
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

The one thing that still troubles me is the apparent blue shaft of visible light. It would have to come from some where and if Eiscat is the only installation in that direction you'd almost have to assume thats where it came from. We need to know more about what that facility is capable of or we're all just making WAGs.

Guys, take another really close look at the following image that showed my original triangulation of the location for the combined exhaust/blue plume. Originally I had used 4 data points (observers) to determine this location but since that original estimation, I have had access to an additional 4 data points (8 in total) and these extra data points also triangulate EXACTLY to the same point in the White Sea. So based on this multiplicity of points ALL in agreement, there can be NO doubt whatsoever that the exhaust/blue plume location is 800+ kms away from EISCAT.
I'm sorry to keep 'haarping' (pun intended) on this ... but the exhaust plume had NOTHING to do with EISCAT.

In fact, the viewpoint of the Tromso observer to the exhaust plume passes many kilometres to the NORTH of EISCAT as can be seen by the red dot I've placed on the map.

Also looking at the other 2 images, it's perfectly clear and obvious that the blue plume is connected to the exhaust ... and the exhaust is exactly what it appears to be, exhaust produced by a rocket ... and the only CONFIRMED rocket in the air at that exact point in time was the Bulava ... which in turn was launched FROM the White Sea.

Every detail is perfectly consistent and the logic irrefutable !

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a3fb28b0927f.jpg[/atsimg]

[edit on 21/2/10 by tauristercus]

reply to post by tauristercus

This one image kept creeping up in my head. It appears there is a light source (lower right) pointed up into the spiral.
files.abovetopsecret.com...
But after looking things over again, I have to agree. The contrail is what I've been seeing all along. This is the image that did it for me. Now I just wonder what kind of exotic fuel they were using to leave a blue contrail. You can see the final bit of blue at the peak of the contrail as it dissipates. Still very weird.
files.abovetopsecret.com...

Just located yet another spiral image that gives an extremely clear view of whats happening at the center of the spiral when enlarged x7.
This one gives particularly useful info in that for the 1st time we can clearly and easily see that the spiral really does have a 3D structure.
In the bottom image, I've indicated what can only be vertical wall-like structure associated with a ring ... as well as 2 very obvious points where the spirals are being created.

In my opinion this is a stunning pic ... almost artistic in nature !

Leaking propellant from 2 accidental ruptures on the 3rd stage ... HARDLY !!!!
How does a random and accidental propellant leak create a ring structure with vertical walls ... answer: it doesn't.

How much more time, effort, analysis do I have to exert, and evidence do I have produce before the 'official explanation' of missile failure in turn crashes and burns ?
This is pure and simple nothing less than a deliberately created spiral structure using unknown but extremely advanced and sophisticated technology !

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7f2216e5a232.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by rleexray


I don't think it has much to do with some kind of exotic fuel. It's just the result of something called the "twilight effect" and is not an uncommon occurrence after missile launches done either just before dawn or just after dusk...

Here's an explanation:

These twilight phenomena or twilight effects occur when the unburned fuel particles in the rocket trail and water condense, freeze and then expand in the thinner upper atmosphere. Because rocket trails extend high into the stratosphere and mesosphere, they catch high altitude sunlight long after the sun has set on the ground. The small exhaust particles diffract sunlight and produce pink, blue, green and orange colours, making the twilight phenomenon all the more spectacular.

Twilight phenomena are quite rare because they require a rocket launch timed around sunrise or sunset and clear skies. Plus, the exhaust particles must have similar sizes and be at least several micron across to produce this vivid iridescence.
High altitude winds deform, twist and carry the rocket trails over long distances. Often visible even hundreds of miles away from the rocket launch, they catch many a viewer unaware. In fact, they are often mistaken for a failed rocket launch or even an unidentified flying object....

...or EISCAT or wormholes or whatever....

Look at the pics on this site... do it

Originally posted by rleexray
reply to post by tauristercus

 

This one image kept creeping up in my head. It appears there is a light source (lower right) pointed up into the spiral.
files.abovetopsecret.com...
But after looking things over again, I have to agree. The contrail is what I've been seeing all along. This is the image that did it for me. Now I just wonder what kind of exotic fuel they were using to leave a blue contrail. You can see the final bit of blue at the peak of the contrail as it dissipates. Still very weird.
files.abovetopsecret.com...

From what I've learned in my investigations, the obvious exhaust plume is definitely attributed to the Bulava ascending to approximately the 120 km altitude level.
At that point, the payload package (comprising unknown technology) was activated resulting in 2 main events being deployed.
The 1st event was the creation/generation of the glowing pear shaped envelope that eventually surrounds and contains the spiral structure. It's obvious that the envelope was created before the spiral as the point of the envelope can be clearly seen connected to the top of the exhaust plume at the 120 km mark.
I believe the purpose of this envelope was to isolate the space within the envelope from the space outside of the envelope.

The 2nd event was the activation of the blue spiral technology and it's this blue spiral which remains in constant contact with the main spiral through it's entire lifespan and even after eventual dissipation.
I believe the purpose of the blue spiral technology was to somehow manipulate the space contained within the envelope in such a way that it facilitated the creation of the main spiral structure.

As far as I'm concerned, what was witnessed on that morning was nothing less than an attempt to manipulate the very fabric of space itself ... and apparently it was successful.

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
reply to post by rleexray

 

I don't think it has much to do with some kind of exotic fuel. It's just the result of something called the "twilight effect" and is not an uncommon occurrence after missile launches done either just before dawn or just after dusk...

Absolutely stunning pics ... no question about it.

Now go and re-examine the 'wall structure' effect on the pics I posted ... completely different structure from anything in those examples ... the regularity is way to pronounced and structured.

Thanks to all for a wonderful and enlightening discussion. This is something that has begged explanation, at least for me, since it happened. I am a child of the Cold War, was a Nuc Mechanic aboard a Ballistic Missile Submarine from '80-'86 and on a Nuc Guided Missile Cruiser for 2 more. Never trusted the USSR and still have little trust for whatever they are now.

Suffice it to say that I'm rather shocked and amazed that their official story is true. I have a new respect for them now. Still won't keep me from verifying whatever I can but at least they are no worse than we are.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


So I need to get this straight then EM...

You ran my name through the mud over the course of the last 3 or 4 threads on this topic saying that I've got no math skills and that I shouldn't bother taking part in these discussions because I offer nothing constructive. Time and time again you challenged me to show you what's wrong with that analysis and each time I responded, but was continually met with more baseless criticism about my character and math skills...

I provided you with plenty of info about what was wrong with that damn analysis and still you went on the attack and tried to make a mockery of what I was saying without ever addressing directly what I posted about the contents of that analysis...

I've now showed you what's wrong using his own maths as per your repeated insistance and you still won't address me directly about it...

All you had to say was

I cannot completely rule your evidence out as much of it makes sense. However, a couple of engineering friends of mine insist that there was a blast of electromagnetic radiation which made this spiral possible, and dually insist that it could not have been caused by a missile.

Are you kidding? You completely sidestepped our entire argument...How about, "Photon, you were right, I can see now from your investigation that he overestimated his values and his assumptions were incorrect. I was wrong and I'm sorry for being out of line"

Yeah right, that'll be the day....

I don't even care about not getting any recognition, but maybe now you'll realize that Armanis analysis is bunk and you'll quit spamming it everywhere and telling people that it proves it wasn't a missile....

Oh and one last thing before I'm done with this thread:

Do you know who Jonathan McDowell is? My guess is probably not, because if you did you may've thought twice about starting this thread...(or maybe not)

But I'll clue you in anyway..

Jon McDowell is an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and author of Jonathan's Space Report, a fortnightly email newsletter about space launches.

And here's his take on this event and how such a perfect spiral could've been formed:

...the shape suggests the failure occurred well above the atmosphere. If it had occurred at lower altitudes, atmospheric drag would have caused the missile to fall quickly to Earth, creating a downward-pointing corkscrew pattern whose contrails would have been blown "this way and that" by wind, he told New Scientist.

The Bulava missile has three stages that fire in succession as it climbs up in altitude. "Probably what happened is that stages 1 and 2 did just fine and were discarded in turn, and then stage 3 started burning and almost immediately went wrong," McDowell says.

He says the third stage's nozzle, which directs the rocket's exhaust plume, may have fallen off or been punctured, causing the exhaust to come out sideways instead of out the back. "The sideways thrust sends the rocket into a spin, spewing flame as it goes," he says.

Funny, no mention of EISCAT, and he's an astrophysicist from Harvard, surely he should know what he's talking about-- although I'm sure you'll find a way to discredit his testimony... typical EM

Im done here... good luck on your journey through the twilight zone

www.newscientist.com...




[edit on 21-2-2010 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by rleexray
Suffice it to say that I'm rather shocked and amazed that their official story is true. I have a new respect for them now. Still won't keep me from verifying whatever I can but at least they are no worse than we are.

I think that over the years since the collapse of the Soviet Union and their apparent 'demotion' from official super power status, that we in the west have become somewhat complacent and have cultured an attitude of 'see ... we ARE better than you' when it comes to technological capabilities and achievements. We look on them now as a nation that's struggling to maintain it's current standard of living and give them very little credit for technological innovations and breakthroughs ... after all, the glory days of the former Soviet Empire are well and truly a thing of the past ... or are they ? Are we really guilty of having become over complacent in our belief that Russian technology has stagnated since the collapse ?

Having spent many, many hours researching the Norway Spiral event, I've reached the conclusion that Russian scientific research is indeed alive and well and definitely more than capable of producing amazing technological breakthroughs to rival any produced by the Western nations.

The following is my take on what happened that morning and I have to emphasize that it is entirely my own personal opinion and deduction ... but a deduction based on a lot of data examination and analysis.

Let me start by making a few simple assumptions;
1. The Russians have space capability
2. The Bulava is capable of carrying a payload into orbit
3. The Russians have had a breakthrough in physics allowing them to manipulate space and have built technology around this new physics.
4. This technology operates under space conditions

Of course you could justifiably state that I have no proof whatsoever of any such technology but that doesn't mean we can't postulate it's existence.

A simple example would be the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's virtually a certainty that the citizens of those 2 cities had never seen or heard of an atomic bomb ... but that in no way made the effect of such devices on their respective cities any less real to them or imaginary.
Observers would have been in a similar situation to the Norway observers in that they could see an obvious effect; they could take photos and estimate the distance and height to the effect; those of them with some scientific background would have been able to analyze that photographic evidence and work up a reasonable theory to describe and explain what had just happened. They would have been able to deduce quite a bit and come up with a reasonable hypothesis without so much as ever having seen such technology before or even being aware of it's existence.


Ok, this is what I believe happened ...

# Around 7:45am (Norwegian local time), a Russian Bulava missile fitted out with experimental technology was launched from the Dmitry Donskoi submarine stationed in the White Sea.
# The Bulava climbed to an altitude of approximately 120 kms which places it above the bulk of the Earths atmosphere and into space ... and leaves a clearly defined rocket exhaust plume behind it.
# At the 120 km altitude mark, this technology was activated resulting in 2 critical phases being initiated.
# The 1st phase was the immediate creation and deployment of a 'bubble' the primary purpose being to isolate a region of near space inside the bubble from that of surrounding space on the other side of the bubble. This bubble can be readily seen starting as a point at the 120 km altitude level and expanding into a pear shaped structure. Once in place, the bubble maintains this total and complete isolation of the inside space from that of outside space ... essentially it becomes a containment barrier between the 2 areas preventing interaction.
You will note that in many photos, this bubble is clearly in existence BEFORE the main spiral structure begins to form ... telling us that that this bubble is an independent and essential, precursor event.
# As soon as the bubble forms and has begun containment, the 2nd phase (blue spiral) is triggered. From many photos, this 2nd phase appears to have been triggered almost at the same time as the 1st bubble phase, implying that the bubble phase was established extremely rapidly. This is clear from the photos showing that the bubble and the blue spiral both came into existence at the 120 km mark.
# With the bubble containment in place and the interior space in isolation, the technology behind the blue spiral begins the creation of the main spiral. It's particularly apparent that throughout the entire event, the blue spiral remains firmly in contact with the growing spiral, even right through to the final dissipation stage. Note that even though the spiral during it's few minutes of existence travels 100's of kilometers along the trajectory path, that the blue spiral always remains attached implying that the blue spiral and the main spiral have a dependent relationship. Also note that no matter how large the main spiral becomes, that the containment bubble always expands sufficiently to completely enclose the main spiral and the blue spiral ... in other words, isolation of interior and exterior space never fails.
Without knowing details of the technology involved, an educated guess is that the technology behind the blue spiral somehow manipulates or alters space within the confines of the bubble containment to facilitate the creation of the main spiral within the altered space inside the bubble.
# After a period of 2 or 3 mins, the technology powering the spiral creation is deactivated resulting in the bubble containment no longer able to maintain an effective isolation barrier between the altered inner space and the normal outer space regions. Consequently, the altered inner space region immediately begins to revert back to it's original normal space state resulting in the immediate collapse and disappearance of the main spiral structure within a period of no more than a few seconds.
# The amazing event is now over ... and the experiment a resounding success.


As I mentioned earlier, this is no more than my personal take on what happened ... but as I hope to have shown, a simple assumption of a single unique technological breakthrough can be used to satisfactorily link all the individual pieces together and come up with a logical and coherent explanation for the event.

And at no time is it necessary to bring EISCAT into the equation.

[edit on 22/2/10 by tauristercus]

[edit on 22/2/10 by tauristercus]

ok who on this thread still believes the phenomenon aka Norway spiral that a missile, rocket is the only culprit !

IMO very unlikely ! not 2 to 3 minutes or more spiraling like its a gyro! spinning in the same exact pattern in every cycle of rotation making a near perfect brighten light circle expanding and a having a 2nd spiral producing a charged illuminated Blue hue spiral that NARROWS down to the ground in the direction that is some ats members speculated to have been the launched site


and how many believe that EISCAT was only involved

as in to control the spin charging up the ionosphere having a bi directional
type energy as of 2 hands magnetic waves>? different type charges then clashing them together then rotating them to make a spin ! artificial aurora ? spaceweather.com...
but found out they did something better that the experiment event of 2/16/96 tequila sunrise 12/09/09


and how many believe that eiscat and a projectile was involved

projectile(plasma or chemical filled) launched by rocket then floated by parachute to the destination then EISCAT took over heat up or charged up the ionosphere then released plasma or chemical ? finger painting the sky as eiscat directs it like a finger >?

us ats members need to look at the whole picture here (wide screen) instead of the standard format

as none of us can show the total proof yet in how it happened and why
as we have not at all seen the norway spiral right at the beginning just the tail end of it do you really want to know why it very very simple !

the villagers around tromso the area to them ... it is nothing new to see eiscat playing with the ionosphere or the plasma group or some other group launching their experiment payloads so why would they pay attention until this spiral phenomenon happen making a perfect circle for about 5 to ten minutes estimate.. then they grab their cameras and cams

and some of us can show some evidence that can get a little closer to the truth its like solving jfks assassination of who did it

i showed some evidence (article) from Harvard/Esicat/Nasa that eiscat can make a spiral

but i CAN'T prove what caused it as i was not there to witness the beginning (start ) of the spiral or to hear any audio



[edit on 22-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

Thank you for pointing that out, I knew of that when the thing happened back in December. If it's a rocket that is controlled or uncontrolled, it still have to follow the laws of physics. The one rocket couldn't be in two places at once, it couldn't be a tight exhaust all the way to the middle of the spiral and then have another exhaust trail start from the edge and work its way to the center, it's not possible. Whats more than possible is that the facility propagated a circular wave as I stated before, and then when it hit the region it was destined for the agitation of the plasma worked it's way out from the center to the edges. And how big or large the spiral could be was based on how much energy that was being put into the agitation of that part of the sky and also length of time it was allowed or able to maintain the event.

Thats the other secret that you finally put to words, the "out of control" rocket was the proverbial magic bullet of the world where it could be everywhere and nowhere (no fireball from the many G's that was put on the body of the rocket in a lateral motion while doing spirals (rockets especially big ones with alot of fuel can't take to many sharp turns before it eventually tears apart)).