Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

Forget about the wave length for a moment and tell us how long the pretty yellow coil is . Also which end is closer to Norway?

The bottom (wider) end would be closer to Norway looking at it from behind (or underneath as it pertains to that picture) or as the missile was moving away from the viewers

Here's a very similar perspective to the Norway photos but without the spiral- this would be what that profile view I posted above might look like from behind
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7a4e2441fc1b.png[/atsimg]

Is that a "blackhole"?

Now imagine if that were rotating-- what do you think it might look like?



[edit on 20-2-2010 by PhotonEffect]

One problem here with the photo. Although it is the best I have seen of a rocket launch in these threads.
Do you have any dimensions to go with it?
How wide do you make the Norway spiral to be at it's widest?
Thanks Donny.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


I'd be interested in your take, from an EISCAT point of view on the following 3 images of the center of the spiral.
Each of these images were obtained by enlarging the spiral image x15 using a very sophisticated software product that allows significant enlargements to be made without introducing pixellation, image artifacts or distortion into the enlargement.

This enlargement software is SizeFixer XL.

Before looking at the enlargements, here are some reviews to validate just how revolutionary this software is:

The technology has its roots in government and military use, including NASA imaging. Called a “world-first for commercial use of super-resolution deconvolution technology”

SizeFixer produced an enhanced image that was extremely high quality, showing none of the artifacts expected in over-blown images

The detail was cleaner (no hint of jaggies on the diagonals) and the out of focus areas were smoother. No banding. I couldn't tell that this image had been resized

And finally, an extract from a recent SizeFixer review in the British Journal Of Photography:

a particular use for SizeFixer in in enlarging cropped sections of input images without any loss of sharpness. I succeeded in generating a 67MB file from a tiny part of an 11MB original. Close inspection of the resampled files confirmed that it had suffered no visible loss of quality. This is an amazing achievement.

Ok, having sung the praises of this remarkable piece of software and having emphasized it's ability to produce almost loss-less enlargements, here are the 3 center images enlarged 15 times from original.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4fbb1d8220d5.jpg[/atsimg]

Now before you all start jumping on your soapboxes and claiming that enlargements of that size from poor quality originals just has to be BS, well here's an example of image2 enlarged the same 15 times using the world famous and popular Photoshop ... this is what we get ... massive pixellation, loss of detail and huge degradation in quality !

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/74d589e943b6.jpg[/atsimg]

Take a good look at these images, especially images 1 where you can clearly see some kind of silvery/shiny looking artifact at the spiral center. Look carefully and you can even make out exactly where the inner spiral ring is attached to the artifact.
Also in image2 it's clearly obvious that the central artifact is definitely connected to the inner spiral ring.

Having demonstrated that the above center artifacts are NOT pixellation or enlargement artifacts, could someone please explain what we're seeing from an EISCAT point of view ?

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

My guess is because there is more Russian money and influence at EISCAT than there is Norwegian. Since when is Norway dong Super Power stuff anyway? No disrespect to the Norwegians.
Why did Russia put it's missile launch area adjacent to EISCAT?

Adjacent to EISCAT ??? Take a look at a map and you'll see that the White Sea launch area is 800+kms distant from EISCAT ... I wouldn't call that being adjacent !

I do need to check some maps you are right to point that out.
I did think it was a lot closer.
I also checked around a little and it looks like Russia does not have as much control over Norway as I thought. Nothing I could link to anyway.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

 

Do you have any dimensions to go with it?
How wide do you make the Norway spiral to be at it's widest?
Thanks Donny.

Here are the calculated dimensions of various phases that the spiral event went through:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8f9187c6fdef.jpg[/atsimg]

Maximum diameter of the spiral/void area calculated at 314kms just before total dissipation.

[edit on 20/2/10 by tauristercus]

reply to post by tauristercus

Excellent work, and as I have stated, you are quite the work horse. However, did it occur to you that Eiscat could still use electromagnetic radiation to accent, or nullify the effect of whatever artifact exists in the center of this photo?

If we can use EMP from large distances to disrupt communications and knock out weaponry, the same method or principle can be used by honing the power of the ionosphere with directed RF frequencies at any distance.

And, I appreciate your more civil approach.


[edit on 20-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by tauristercus

 

Excellent work, and as I have stated, you are quite the work horse. However, did it occur to you that Eiscat could still use electromagnetic radiation to accent, or nullify the effect of whatever artifact exists in the center of this photo?

Possibly so ... but you've missed the point I'm making with these images.

If EISCAT was the sole technology responsible for creating the spiral artifact through use of HF radio wave pumping and excitation of electrons within the ionosphere to create artificial plasma effects, then we certainly wouldn't be seeing any sort of solid looking artifact smack in the center of the spiral. Image1 especially is in 'your face' with what undoubtably looks like an artificial artifact and not a glowing blob of ionized plasma.

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by tauristercus

 

Excellent work, and as I have stated, you are quite the work horse. However, did it occur to you that Eiscat could still use electromagnetic radiation to accent, or nullify the effect of whatever artifact exists in the center of this photo?

Possibly so ... but you've missed the point I'm making with these images.

If EISCAT was the sole technology responsible for creating the spiral artifact through use of HF radio wave pumping and excitation of electrons within the ionosphere to create artificial plasma effects, then we certainly wouldn't be seeing any sort of solid looking artifact smack in the center of the spiral. Image1 especially is in 'your face' with what undoubtably looks like an artificial artifact and not a glowing blob of ionized plasma.

I had seen these conclusions before on your last thread which, like I had said before, caused me to entertain different possibilities. I have not ruled out the idea that it could have been a coupled technology that made the spiral possible. But, I still cannot accept the missile theory as the sole perpetrator behind the spiral.

And indeed, I understood the point which I had actually gotten from your third thread.

[edit on 20-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Just found something interesting that I hadn't noticed before until just now when I was preparing those images for your inspection.

Take another look at image2 and you'll see that the origin points of the 2 spirals (which were originally attributed to leaks in the 3rd stage) can be easily picked out. I've indicated them just in case you're unsure what I'm referring to.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/83f75e9cc6f8.jpg[/atsimg]

You can clearly see one spiral being 'created' at the point I've labeled 'Primary spiral creation point'. It's also easy to follow it's circular path.
At the point I've labeled 'Secondary spiral creation point', you can also clearly see the point at which this other spiral arms emerges and again, you can follow its circular path.
The important fact here is that both spiral creation points are clearly associated with, and attached to, the silvery artifact sitting in the dark void area.

Now just so you and I are absolutely clear on this point ... I completely believe (based on available evidence/research) that the Bulova missile played a central role in the spirals creation.
However, I do NOT believe that the spiral was the result of something as simple and mundane as a 2 fuel leaks in the 3rd stage.
I do believe that the purpose of the Bulova was to carry some kind of radical technology to an approximate altitude of 120 kms (above the atmosphere and in space) before activating said technology.

Looking at the above images shows that there IS clearly something artificial and SOLID (but unknown) looking at the center of the spiral.

reply to post by tauristercus


Can you estimate the size of the central "hole"? If indeed it was a failed missile the turn radius might give some more evidence.

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Just found something interesting that I hadn't noticed before until just now when I was preparing those images for your inspection.

Take another look at image2 and you'll see that the origin points of the 2 spirals (which were originally attributed to leaks in the 3rd stage) can be easily picked out. I've indicated them just in case you're unsure what I'm referring to.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/83f75e9cc6f8.jpg[/atsimg]

You can clearly see one spiral being 'created' at the point I've labeled 'Primary spiral creation point'. It's also easy to follow it's circular path.
At the point I've labeled 'Secondary spiral creation point', you can also clearly see the point at which this other spiral arms emerges and again, you can follow its circular path.
The important fact here is that both spiral creation points are clearly associated with, and attached to, the silvery artifact sitting in the dark void area.

Now just so you and I are absolutely clear on this point ... I completely believe (based on available evidence/research) that the Bulova missile played a central role in the spirals creation.
However, I do NOT believe that the spiral was the result of something as simple and mundane as a 2 fuel leaks in the 3rd stage.
I do believe that the purpose of the Bulova was to carry some kind of radical technology to an approximate altitude of 120 kms (above the atmosphere and in space) before activating said technology.

Looking at the above images shows that there IS clearly something artificial and SOLID (but unknown) looking at the center of the spiral.

Looks pretty interesting. Makes me wonder.

Originally posted by rleexray
reply to post by tauristercus

 

Can you estimate the size of the central "hole"? If indeed it was a failed missile the turn radius might give some more evidence.

The 'central hole' isn't a dark circular area at all.
Those 3 images are actually a negative of the original photo. The reason this was done was because in the original photos, the central area was so bright that it effectively 'washed out' or 'masked' the details of any structure/artifact that may have been there.
So a simple solution to bring out the central details was to make negatives of the original photos.

Don't assume for one moment that any underhanded tricks were performed ... this is simply the digital equivalent of the old fashioned film cameras that when you had them developed, you would be given the colour photo plus the negative roll of film. The same 'detail' was available on the print as well as the negative ... just colour reversed.

Here are the originals"
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a653a0687ef3.jpg[/atsimg]

and their corresponding negatives
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/858f31744b1c.jpg[/atsimg]



Once I had the negative version, the bright center now became very dark but the important point here is that any artifacts/objects that were being 'glared out' by the bright central area, would now stand out clearly against a dark background ... and could now be successfully enlarged to show maximum detail.

reply to post by tauristercus


No assumptions here, just curious if you could estimate the turn radius.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

My guess is because there is more Russian money and influence at EISCAT than there is Norwegian. Since when is Norway dong Super Power stuff anyway? No disrespect to the Norwegians.
Why did Russia put it's missile launch area adjacent to EISCAT?

Adjacent to EISCAT ??? Take a look at a map and you'll see that the White Sea launch area is 800+kms distant from EISCAT ... I wouldn't call that being adjacent !

I do need to check some maps you are right to point that out.
I did think it was a lot closer.
I also checked around a little and it looks like Russia does not have as much control over Norway as I thought. Nothing I could link to anyway.

Here you go Donnie. Although Norway and Russia's history is quite stable, they are linked diplomatically.

en.wikipedia.org...

I credit this event for helping me to make at least 5 different people aware of the type of technology we posses.

When an older person sees an event like this it is just the thing they need to take them over the top and start believing in hidden technology

Originally posted by rleexray
reply to post by tauristercus

 

No assumptions here, just curious if you could estimate the turn radius.

Lets use the following Skjervoy image because it gives us good spiral definition and because I've already estimated its dimensions.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fbde96943f8f.jpg[/atsimg]

I count approximately 11 spiral turns from center to edge boundary which gives us based on the diameter of 217kms, an average distance between rings of 9.9 kms.
Quite a distance

Hope that helps...


Actually, just had an interesting thought ....

That 9.9km average separation was calculated on the assumption that the spiral effect is entirely flat and 2D - like on a piece of paper. But I've recently begun to suspect that the 2d effect is purely illusory based on the 800+ kms separating the observer from the spiral. I'm beginning to think that the spiral is actually 3D and in the above image, it's as if we were looking directly down a tunnel ... which would mean the rings are all the same diameter but receding further and further into the screen ... they appear to be getting smaller purely because of perspective making them appear to shrink.


[edit on 21/2/10 by tauristercus]

Originally posted by AlexG22
I credit this event for helping me to make at least 5 different people aware of the type of technology we posses.

When an older person sees an event like this it is just the thing they need to take them over the top and start believing in hidden technology

That is definitely the truth. Most people are really unaware of how far we have come as a civilization. Especially the older generation.

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by rleexray
reply to post by tauristercus

 

No assumptions here, just curious if you could estimate the turn radius.

Lets use the following Skjervoy image because it gives us good spiral definition and because I've already estimated its dimensions.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fbde96943f8f.jpg[/atsimg]

I count approximately 11 spiral turns from center to edge boundary which gives us based on the diameter of 217kms, an average distance between rings of 9.9 kms.
Quite a distance

Hope that helps...


Actually, just had an interesting thought ....

That 9.9km average separation was calculated on the assumption that the spiral effect is entirely flat and 2D - like on a piece of paper. But I've recently begun to suspect that the 2d effect is purely illusory based on the 800+ kms separating the observer from the spiral. I'm beginning to think that the spiral is actually 3D and in the above image, it's as if we were looking directly down a tunnel ... which would mean the rings are all the same diameter but receding further and further into the screen ... they appear to be getting smaller purely because of perspective making them appear to shrink.


[edit on 21/2/10 by tauristercus]

A real fascinating detail here is that amount of time that the spiral lasted. There are estimates that range from 2-3 minutes all the way up to about 12 and a half minutes. How long is the longest missile launch on record in terms of visibility?


[edit on 21-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by tauristercus


Well, I just looked for the longest missile launch in history, and the time that would elapse before visibility was no longer a factor. As it turns out, there is no such information. To have such information would be quite helpful in determining this.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Well, I started looking up missile launches to see if I could get an accurate time of visibility when I came across one of the funniest videos I have seen in a long time.

Although its not related, I thought I would share.

Watch...
www.youtube.com...



Its good stuff.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

What's French for "Quick ... get the f&%k outta here !!!!"

Good find and good chuckle