Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

Originally posted by tauristercus


That 9.9km average separation was calculated on the assumption that the spiral effect is entirely flat and 2D - like on a piece of paper. But I've recently begun to suspect that the 2d effect is purely illusory based on the 800+ kms separating the observer from the spiral. I'm beginning to think that the spiral is actually 3D and in the above image, it's as if we were looking directly down a tunnel ... which would mean the rings are all the same diameter but receding further and further into the screen ... they appear to be getting smaller purely because of perspective making them appear to shrink.


[edit on 21/2/10 by tauristercus]

That would be more inline w/ a missile failure. Forward velocity would diminish very little in the time period we are talking about and at those altitudes. The turn radius would certainly be w/in the realm of possibility. I think you may have something here.

edit: Another thought is the lack of dispersion of the contrail could be accounted for by the altitude. There's no air in space.

[edit on 2/21/2010 by rleexray]

reply to post by tauristercus

Now, this is just a patriot missile. But, look how fast, and how loud this missile is. I would imagine that people would have reported a sonic boom or some sort of explosion. Although this is not the Buluva, it is a little representative of what we're dealing with.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

What's French for "Quick ... get the f&%k outta here !!!!"

Good find and good chuckle

Yeah, that had me rolling.

Allright guys. Got to sign off and spend time with the female.

As usual, love you all, see you tomorrow.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

What's French for "Quick ... get the f&%k outta here !!!!"

Good find and good chuckle

Yeah, that had me rolling.

Me too, priceless. I noticed the camera guy didn't waste any time.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

Optical does not mean visible to the naked eye (that would be "visual"), it means having to do with light.

A development of local spiral-like forms in the auroral arc near Tromso occurred when the heater was turned on.

A spiral like (not a spiral) distortion of the aurora (already in progress) near Tromso was recorded by the all sky imager. The all sky imager is a light intensifying device (night vision). This was not an isolated spiral hundreds of kilometers away from Tromso. There is no indication that it was visible to the naked eye. There is no reason to believe that EISCAT could have or did produce the spiral on December 9.

you forgot that it also say in that paragraph on the harverd site (( brightens )) the auroral arc ok how would they then know that it was brightened and subsequet break up adsabs.harvard.edu...

the sky imager is from the ground up the photos you see page 478 are from the day after, the 17th as i would love to see the ones on the day of the 16th of febuary (still looking for it )

and also it say on that page 478 ++ under quite magnetic conditions ++

to ME when they say that , in that statment large amounts or tremendous amounts of energy was used at one or more directions to the ionosphere
and like HAARP I Believe EISCAT can direct anywhere they want of that energy like a wave, pulse, like waving hand or pointing a finger

here another thought ! what if im saying what if!! if a possible object was the cause of the spinning (norway spiral event) could EISCAT pulse or wave (magnetic ) to keep that object spinning

well makes kinda sense when you here rumors that HAARP can Cause Earthquakes changing weather patterns etc..

ohh do you know the whole concept of HAARP? why it was created in the first place ? before it was even claimed to be HAARP give you a hint
it was used to find oil! and mineral veins underground now it used the opposite direction here is a little brief read paragraph HAARP History www.haarp.net... another here www.youtube.com...

then Google to look deeper

EISCAT is just one of HAARP's Childern

yeah i know EISCAT is not HAARP but it is close to being HAARP




[edit on 2/19/2010 by Phage]

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

reply to post by demoncleaner


your making a great point and the same idea and thought as some alike on this thread trying to get some truth and what i and evolved minstery has threaded and posted and especially the one directly from harverd / nasa brings in a little light, but describing the mathematical conclusions and viewers only reads from direct sources and media claims are delusional of what is really beyond comprehension , theoretical matter

can anyone prove what happen in tromso 9th of december 09

we need to get direct contact of EISCAT of what Happened
we need to find a person around the area of tromso or near the event we need to find how long it lasted and was there any sound !
we need to find a film that was not confiscated the was right at the beginning of the event longest i found was at least 2 minutes

these are the question we need to find out


brush them demons away demon cleaner !

I've got the demons in me
I've got to brush them all away
I feel the demons rage
I must clean them all away
kyuss

Whilst I'm sure that magic is a great alternative to science - we've figured out what the spiral was and there really is nothing more to say on the matter.

I'm only posting this because in the OP it was stated that this thread should get stars and flags and that to me isn't the reason to make a thread here - ever.

find something worthwhile OP, I'll star and flag you to heaven and back.

-m0r

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by wonkamaniac

 

I'm just amazed that even when you've all been shown that there's a verified, proven and plotted trajectory and altitude for the spiral event ... and it's 800+ kms AWAY from EISCAT and smack bang in the middle of Russian territory, the White Sea ... and yet you're all clinging like drowning men to a lifeboat which in your case is EISCAT.

Can someone explain to me how EISCAT managed to affect the ionosphere ABOVE the White Sea ... then tell me how EISCAT controlled the trajectory of the spiral so it moved even further AWAY from EISCAT's location and deeper into Russian controlled airspace ?

Look, I know that EISCAT is your pet theory ... but I've just asked 2 very simple yet important questions that at least one EISCAT fan should be able to answer right now.

ok let me try thinking...... laymans terms ok Esicat heating the ionosphere and directing it like a etch a sketch then what was the wind traveling that morining and how much ! heat blast heat +wind just guessing ever been around a campfire in the winter and see the ash blowing in the wind? www.wunderground.com...


and how cold was it that morning ! crystallization ? just guessing

Light in the sky over Norway, see at 7:50 am local time. Photo: Jan Petter Jørgensen via Vaeret

Light in the sky over Norway, see at 7:50 am local time. Photo: Jan Petter Jørgensen via Vaeret
www.universetoday.com...

Apparently, this is not a Photoshopped image, as there are several more just like it, taken from various locations. This morning in northern Norway, people saw a strange light in the sky which shocked residents and so far, the phenomenon has yet to be explained. This picture was taken from a pier, looking to the east, approximately at 07.50 am local time. "I can imagine that it went on for two, three minutes," said the photographer Jan Petter Jørgensen. "It was unbelievable. I was quite shaken when I saw it."

wind speed at that time was 3.5 from 7.20am to 7.50 am
this could be nothing but it a dramatic change from the average 2.3 and the humidity is 100% 3 in a row 6.20 to 7.50

interesting have a look at natural aurora , they are kinda spiral ish
what would it look like if eiscat was involved

home.online.no...
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ok im ready for the debunking



[edit on 20/2/10 by tauristercus]

[edit on 21-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Two questions.

1. If this kind of spiral effect has been seen and documented since 1996, where are the images and videos of them?

@ maybe no one has thought of taking a photo or filming the event
also note that on the harverd site there is no sky image DASI on the 16th
to look at it just tells about it ! only the 17th is on the page 478 and on 477 its about the 17th of February 96 experiment why is that ? why isnt there a DASI Image for the 16th >? that make me wonder but in all in all it explained as a phenomenon.. of 2/16/96

2. If this theory has any legs AND this kind of experiment has been carried out since 1996, why wasn't the heater on the day of the recent, highly documented spiral event filmed and photographed in Norway (as Phage mentions way back on page one)?
@ was it on that day who know except themselves all in the mistake of a checkmark of tequila sunrise experiment ? one photographer jorgeson
said it was around 7.50am when the event happened the experiment tequila sunrise was at ?
please watch this !
www.youtube.com...

Oh and before someone says "They just altered the data to hide the truth", let me ask why would they alter data for an experiment that has been supposedly so well documented since 1996?

@ perfection perfection 13 years of etch and sketching, brightening measure of how much charge you need to illuminate the sky right timing right atmosphere wind etc.. a lot of planing oh a cad like program and a super computer for testing before the actual test ohh and funding by the goverments (nations) that run EISCAT with help with the Russian sura like eiscat ? en.wikipedia.org... to recreated the phenomenon of 2/16/96 my guess ! conjecture!

Oh and a link to a thread I started (everyone was doing a Norway spiral thread and I felt left out ok) where I address the whole premise of the OP's source material as well as the Tequillasunrise experiment, which was based around the use of the HEATER.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by psychederic
reply to post by Romans 10:9

 

The problem is : it was a >physical phenomenom< : not just an Aurora (natural light displays in the sky), even created by a technology.

To get this phenomenom you need cinetic energy (or a lot of pulsed energy ).

So in my opinion it was a physical object : but don't get me wrong : I recognize I don't know everything.

Thank you for your post and effort. EM radiation would be my only bet on this one as well.

pulse or a wave energy is the key ! i would assume !

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

 

Do you have any dimensions to go with it?
How wide do you make the Norway spiral to be at it's widest?
Thanks Donny.

Here are the calculated dimensions of various phases that the spiral event went through:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8f9187c6fdef.jpg[/atsimg]

Maximum diameter of the spiral/void area calculated at 314kms just before total dissipation.


i have a sensible question for the inner blue spiral please explain to me if it is exhaust as many members that believe in the missile theory and if it came from the center to the ground .... ?? would the end ( towards the ground be bigger outward spiral then a narrow spiral blue spiral im talking here


if there where exhaust both white an blue ! both would be bigger from the center outward not one expands outward and the other narrows inward
and the blue spiral is not from the launch pad i have never ever seen a projectile spiral like that when launched then stop and rotate in a even balanced rotation for a least 2 min or should i say 5 to 10 min as some people claim in other forums

and i will say this show me a projectile missile rocket etc.. video that spirals out of control rotating gyro like balanced for at least 2 minutes with out showing it exploding with debris with no sound ! then i will believe you i have not found one yet except a minotaur rocket that spiraled for 5 seconds until it exploded
[edit on 20/2/10 by tauristercus]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Actually that little blurb and what I could find make me think there is way to much missing?????? Another topic for a good conspiracy. lol

Let me just say thanks to all the members currently in this thread.
It has become a discussion of the type that I have longed for since becoming a member.

reply to post by Wolfenz


I think you are asking my next question for T and Photon.
These are the narrowest numbers for the spiral I have seem???
I will try to catch up before interfering. You-all are really nailing this thing down it a remarkable manner.
My respect to all!

Originally posted by m0r1arty
Whilst I'm sure that magic is a great alternative to science - we've figured out what the spiral was and there really is nothing more to say on the matter.

I'm only posting this because in the OP it was stated that this thread should get stars and flags and that to me isn't the reason to make a thread here - ever.

find something worthwhile OP, I'll star and flag you to heaven and back.

-m0r

We're all beyond the petty bickering here. You can take that negativity elsewhere.

Another thread where someone posts an article that mentions spirals without actually reading and understanding it.
Good job!

[edit on 21/2/2010 by DGFenrir]

Originally posted by DGFenrir
Another thread where someone posts an article that mentions spirals without actually reading and understanding it.
Good job!

[edit on 21/2/2010 by DGFenrir]

Um actually...The Harvard Article is quite reputable as it was released by NASA. It may be possible that you don't understand it, but, it translates quite well to me. Also, unless you have anything to contribute, it would be great for you to move on as this thread has been quite productive since the trash was taken out some time ago. All of us are getting along here and would appreciate productivity...not the opposite.

So, unless you can provide information that is proactive...Take the trolling down the hall to the UFO forum where it belongs. We're all adults who are trying to figure this thing out, so, let the grown folks talk and play the games where games are played.

Thanks.

[edit on 21-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Actually that little blurb and what I could find make me think there is way to much missing?????? Another topic for a good conspiracy. lol

Let me just say thanks to all the members currently in this thread.
It has become a discussion of the type that I have longed for since becoming a member.

There definitely is much missing. The only thing is, we may never know the real answer.

Originally posted by Wolfenz

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

 

Do you have any dimensions to go with it?
How wide do you make the Norway spiral to be at it's widest?
Thanks Donny.

Here are the calculated dimensions of various phases that the spiral event went through:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8f9187c6fdef.jpg[/atsimg]

Maximum diameter of the spiral/void area calculated at 314kms just before total dissipation.


i have a sensible question for the inner blue spiral please explain to me if it is exhaust as many members that believe in the missile theory and if it came from the center to the ground .... ?? would the end ( towards the ground be bigger outward spiral then a narrow spiral blue spiral im talking here


if there where exhaust both white an blue ! both would be bigger from the center outward not one expands outward and the other narrows inward
and the blue spiral is not from the launch pad i have never ever seen a projectile spiral like that when launched then stop and rotate in a even balanced rotation for a least 2 min or should i say 5 to 10 min as some people claim in other forums

and i will say this show me a projectile missile rocket etc.. video that spirals out of control rotating gyro like balanced for at least 2 minutes with out showing it exploding with debris with no sound ! then i will believe you i have not found one yet except a minotaur rocket that spiraled for 5 seconds until it exploded
[edit on 20/2/10 by tauristercus]

I agree, there is still something missing. Something doesn't seem right. Although I do agree that there is a questionable artifact which Taristercus did an excellent job in finding, I still think the spiral is controlled and enhanced by electromagnetic radiation.

Originally posted by Wolfenz
reply to post by demoncleaner

 

your making a great point and the same idea and thought as some alike on this thread trying to get some truth and what i and evolved minstery has threaded and posted and especially the one directly from harverd / nasa brings in a little light, but describing the mathematical conclusions and viewers only reads from direct sources and media claims are delusional of what is really beyond comprehension , theoretical matter

can anyone prove what happen in tromso 9th of december 09

we need to get direct contact of EISCAT of what Happened
we need to find a person around the area of tromso or near the event we need to find how long it lasted and was there any sound !
we need to find a film that was not confiscated the was right at the beginning of the event longest i found was at least 2 minutes

these are the question we need to find out


brush them demons away demon cleaner !

I've got the demons in me
I've got to brush them all away
I feel the demons rage
I must clean them all away
kyuss

There are many sources which state that the spiral lasted more than 12 minutes. That is quite sometime for a missile to remain visible. However, the missile could have disappeared leaving some sort of payload. The only thing that seems out of place is that:

1. No sonic booms
2. None of the locals who were filming claimed to have seen a missile.
3. No debris of any sort was found
4. Russia denied any initial involvement
5. It happened when Obama was accepting the peace prize
6. Too many elites were in the area. I doubt Russia would have been so haphazard as to do a missile test on that particular day when it could have been seen as an act of war, or a general threat. (However, I am not eliminating this as a possibility.
7. Whatever artifact that is in the center of the spiral would also have to be spewing exhaust at a powerful 300 meters per second faster than the recorded wind speed of 318 mph in order for the exhaust not to dissipate.
8. We are looking at least 13 or more perfect concentric circles within the spiral, causing an optical effect never before witnessed, and that the outside levels of the spirals experience a form of brightening which is also listed as a side effect of Eiscat in the Harvard article.

Length of time spiral was visible:
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Now, it would probably be unprecedented and the first time in history that a missile could have remained visible for such a duration. Most videos I have seen of missiles leaving the atmosphere last only a few seconds before losing visibility and breaking the sound barrier. For it to remain visible for over 12 minutes, while being in space, would be a technological feat never before witnessed. And of course, since this is only one of two spirals ever recorded on video, it doesn't leave much for us all to work with.

However, after looking at some of Tauristercus's and Photon's information, it is possible that the missile (which was never heard or seen by locals or authorities leaving the atmosphere) delivered a payload with some radical new technology. I am still under the impression that it would have taken a major blast of electromagnetic radiation at that altitude to have created the rotating image that we refer to as the "Norway Spiral."

Also, we are to infer that the artifact had two forms of exhaust that would have served to help create the perfect spiral formation. Each with different fluctuating speeds in order for the artifact to remain in the center and stationary. In other words, this artifact would have been specifically engineered for "failure," as we would determine it.