Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Bare in mind HF and VHF are less than a cycle (hertz) away from each other.

Sorry, that's completely inaccurate:

VHF (Very high frequency) is the radio frequency range from 30 MHz to 300 MHz.

HF (high frequency) is the radio frequency range from 3 MHz to 30 MHz

The ONLY time that they're considered less than a cycle (hertz) away from each other is just that one unique frequency spot where HF becomes VHF ... otherwise they are MILLIONS of cycles apart.

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Bare in mind HF and VHF are less than a cycle (hertz) away from each other.

Sorry, that's completely inaccurate:



VHF (Very high frequency) is the radio frequency range from 30 MHz to 300 MHz.

HF (high frequency) is the radio frequency range from 3 MHz to 30 MHz

The ONLY time that they're considered less than a cycle (hertz) away from each other is just that one unique frequency spot where HF becomes VHF ... otherwise they are MILLIONS of cycles apart.

Come on T I have never challenged you on your math.
Actually you show the spectrums equal at 30 MHz
It is just an example of splitting hairs and not reviving dead horses.
Chalk the blue spiral up to a missile. Fine with me.
The white one could choke a hores. LOL

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Come on T I have never challenged you on your math.
Actually you show the spectrums equal at 30 MHz
It is just an example of splitting hairs and not reviving dead horses.

Hey !!!! don't blame me ... I didn't allocate the frequencies

And as far as I know, you can't have a fraction of a cycle e.g. less than a cycle (hertz)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/11511e2a5232.jpg[/atsimg]

I would assume that at the 30 Mhz overlap, that you could legitimately refer to it as either HF OR VHF.

reply to post by atlscribe

I'm not for sure if you know the meaning of diatribe, or more to the point, I don't think the word applies here. Nonetheless, you are perfectly welcome to your opinion.

You have a pleasant evening and...

peace and love to you.


[edit on 22-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Any luck yet in finding ANY evidence whatsoever that can save the EISCAT scenario and pull it's burning carcass out of the fire ?

Something that clearly states and acknowledges that EISCAT has the technology and capability to access and manipulate the E-layers.

No pressure ... just do a thorough job of looking

reply to post by Donny 4 million


I think that PDF file effectively tells us that they were witnessing some odd phenomenon, some of which they could not explain, as a result of the usage of the Eiscat facility. They even go as far as to describe some of the geometry.

Looks interesting to me. Very convincing stuff there actually.

reply to post by tauristercus


Let me also say this.
The recent info is enough to prove that all those that did oppose my earlier claims of the direction ability of HAARP type technology was totally correct. You did see my post about the half million mile HF bounce from Alaska to Arizona via La Luna didn't you?
You should also take in to consideration ---the fact that other facilities can operate in concert with ESICAT and others.
It is a network designed to work together.
I think you proved where the incident happened and ESICT itself has proved how.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by tauristercus

 

Let me also say this.
The recent info is enough to prove that all those that did oppose my earlier claims of the direction ability of HAARP type technology was totally correct. You did see my post about the half million mile HF bounce from Alaska to Arizona via La Luna didn't you?
You should also take in to consideration ---the fact that other facilities can operate in concert with ESICAT and others.
It is a network designed to work together.
I think you proved where the incident happened and ESICT itself has proved how.

WHAT ????? Surely you're not serious ???

You should also take in to consideration ---the fact that other facilities can operate in concert with ESICAT and others.

And again .... WHAT ?????

So when it appears that the EISCAT scenario begins to falter under sustained attack, you now want to try and salvage things by dragging in OTHER similar facilities and conjecturing some kind of group involvement in the creation of the spiral event ?
Which other facilities would these happen to be ? HAARP (Alaska) perhaps ? Maybe the Russian equivalent ?

... and ESICT itself has proved how.

So .... you're now saying EISCAT is able to modify the E-layers ?
Sure looks to me like you are.


I just demonstrated substantive evidence that a significant portion of the Norway Spiral event took place at a significant LOWER altitude that EISCAT was NOT designed to access. Donny4Million even CONFIRMED it when I asked him.

Again, to remind you .... EISCAT was designed for, and technologically capable of, only interacting significantly with the F-layer component of the ionosphere.
And yet, I've clearly and unambiguously showed that the blue plume and balloon envelope phases were created in the E-layer where EISCAT does NOT have access to.

You have definitive and strong counter evidence staring you in the face, so instead of dismissing it, how about instead trying to refute the above if you want anyone to seriously consider your claims.

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Any luck yet in finding ANY evidence whatsoever that can save the EISCAT scenario and pull it's burning carcass out of the fire ?

Something that clearly states and acknowledges that EISCAT has the technology and capability to access and manipulate the E-layers.

No pressure ... just do a thorough job of looking

I think I have been trying to say this all along.
Just like the VHF and the Hf are just a reference of the point on the scale of frequencies the E and F layer is just that type similarity.
What is all important IMHO is that the manipulation of these and all other components of modulation, SSB,
in phase out of phase or any degree of the above etc. that allow the operators to push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments that can skirt the periphery or center of any or all of the potpourri of options at a super computer speed.
And come on T ESICAT was transmitting.

Sorry to interrupt. Have you guys seen this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

In my mind the above thread has the best explanation for the spiral event. Nothing else even comes close as a sensible explanation. The thread is about electrically charged aerosols being used as a radar cover for missiles. I don't know how the spiral debate has gone on for so long without considering this idea.

reply to post by mrwiffler

The possibility of the spiral being ECM has been considered (quite some time ago). Apparently too mundane to be of much interest though.

Sorry this was for you T
Will you concede the HAARP like connections if i find a way to pull up all of Zorgons thread about HAARP and associated facilities? How many do I need to reference for your satisfaction??

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Thanks phage. I thought it would have been mentioned but you'd think it would be #1 on our list of possibilities. It satisfies the missile folk AND the EISCAT people.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mrwiffler

 

The possibility of the spiral being ECM has been considered (quite some time ago). Apparently too mundane to be of much interest though.

If you are saying-- seeding the ionosphere. I know I have mentioned that multiple times.
A rocket exaust would be perfect for it IMO.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

I think I have been trying to say this all along.
Just like the VHF and the Hf are just a reference of the point on the scale of frequencies the E and F layer is just that type similarity.
What is all important IMHO is that the manipulation of these and all other components of modulation, SSB,
in phase out of phase or any degree of the above etc. that allow the operators to push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments that can skirt the periphery or center of any or all of the potpourri of options at a super computer speed.
And come on T ESICAT was transmitting.

With all due respect and courtesy, Donny ... what you're saying above sounds to me exactly what I call all the attempts at 'so-called science speak' on shows such as StarTrek ... nothing but Techno-babble.
Sure it sounds impressive but when you break it down and analyze it, whats been said is basically without any meaning.

Examples you've just used:

What is all important IMHO is that the manipulation of these and all other components of modulation, SSB, in phase out of phase or any degree of the above etc.

Do you really understand what SSB (SingleSideBand), in phase or out of phase modulation really means ?
And just how is this modulation accomplished ?

... that allow the operators to push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments that can skirt the periphery or center of any or all of the potpourri of options at a super computer speed.

push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments ?
What does that mean ?? How does a layer (I assume you're referring to ionosphere layers e.g. E, Es and F) get pushed let alone pulled ?

... can skirt the periphery or center ... at a super computer speed ?
Errrrr ... what ????


May as well have said something just as meaningless along the lines of ....
"Pickard: The Klingons are launching a phaser attack against the Enterprise"
"Geordie: Don't worry Captain ... I'll just inversely modulate the forward deflector shields with a tachyon burst"

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Sorry this was for you T
Will you concede the HAARP like connections if i find a way to pull up all of Zorgons thread about HAARP and associated facilities? How many do I need to reference for your satisfaction??

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Yes, please ...I'd be more than happy to see references that definitively show multiple facilities acting in tandem on that December morning.

Also any solid references to EISCAT having significant E-layer modification capabilities.

Originally posted by mrwiffler
Sorry to interrupt. Have you guys seen this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

In my mind the above thread has the best explanation for the spiral event. Nothing else even comes close as a sensible explanation. The thread is about electrically charged aerosols being used as a radar cover for missiles. I don't know how the spiral debate has gone on for so long without considering this idea.

No interruption IMO. That's a Zorgon thread prior to the spiral, yes?
Can you find his thread of multiple HAARP like facilities all over the world?

reply to post by mrwiffler

The idea is that the spinning booster could be dispensing something intentionally. Rocket exhaust tends to get ionized just fine without any outside assistance. Probably no need for EISCAT (even if it could do anything), any ionization would be better done onboard.
stinet.dtic.mil...

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Sorry this was for you T
Will you concede the HAARP like connections if i find a way to pull up all of Zorgons thread about HAARP and associated facilities? How many do I need to reference for your satisfaction??

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Yes, please ...I'd be more than happy to see references that definitively show multiple facilities acting in tandem on that December morning.

Also any solid references to EISCAT having significant E-layer modification capabilities.

I don't know if they were operating or not but they do exist. Do you want make my work easy and confess to their existance?

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

I think I have been trying to say this all along.
Just like the VHF and the Hf are just a reference of the point on the scale of frequencies the E and F layer is just that type similarity.
What is all important IMHO is that the manipulation of these and all other components of modulation, SSB,
in phase out of phase or any degree of the above etc. that allow the operators to push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments that can skirt the periphery or center of any or all of the potpourri of options at a super computer speed.
And come on T ESICAT was transmitting.

With all due respect and courtesy, Donny ... what you're saying above sounds to me exactly what I call all the attempts at 'so-called science speak' on shows such as StarTrek ... nothing but Techno-babble.
Sure it sounds impressive but when you break it down and analyze it, whats been said is basically without any meaning.

Examples you've just used:

What is all important IMHO is that the manipulation of these and all other components of modulation, SSB, in phase out of phase or any degree of the above etc.

Do you really understand what SSB (SingleSideBand), in phase or out of phase modulation really means ?
And just how is this modulation accomplished ?

... that allow the operators to push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments that can skirt the periphery or center of any or all of the potpourri of options at a super computer speed.

push pull the layers and the frequencies into alignments ?
What does that mean ?? How does a layer (I assume you're referring to ionosphere layers e.g. E, Es and F) get pushed let alone pulled ?

... can skirt the periphery or center ... at a super computer speed ?
Errrrr ... what ????


May as well have said something just as meaningless along the lines of ....
"Pickard: The Klingons are launching a phaser attack against the Enterprise"
"Geordie: Don't worry Captain ... I'll just inversely modulate the forward deflector shields with a tachyon burst"

You are definatly stuck in transmit mode and your receiver needs to be tuned or your IF is all boffed. All I can say to this is: "Beam him up Scotty" then spin him into a big white spiral. lol