Norway Spiral created by Eiscat (New Evidence)

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Donny ... am I correct in my reading of that pdf document that EISCAT's primary purpose, and what it was designed to do, is to pump HF radio waves into the F-layer of the ionosphere to excite the electrons within this layer ?

Yes I would say that is part.
ESICAT said the VHF was transmitting at the time of the spiral and if you also saw the map you would see the location of other facilities.
We don't for sure know what they were doing at the time of the spiral.
You did catch the parts that the beam can be directional and influenced by the magnetic's ever present
A rocket as a heater and fluid medium would be Wonderbar!

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

i was thinking the same thing in that line as i said and many previous posts and threads about the norway spiral event

as i said that EISCAT like HAARP certainly can direct the energy ( like a hand ) anywhere it wants it says so by the developers and operators themselves of the HAARP facility in the documentary Holes in Heaven HAARP and also it can burst that energy in pulses (waves)
as 1 gigawatts could be 10 20 30 gigawatts in a brief moment etc they use a energy holder nicknamed SHIVA they purge once that storage full ( sorta like a buffer , storage tank , ( think playing around fine tuning your TV in the back of it you get zapped while it still unplugged) in a while all this on the Documentary Holes In Heaven HAARP and they use that as a extra boost

it is a must watch documentary to really understand HAARP and its younger peers SURA / EISCAT etc..

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Sorry this was for you T
Will you concede the HAARP like connections if i find a way to pull up all of Zorgons thread about HAARP and associated facilities? How many do I need to reference for your satisfaction??

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Yes, please ...I'd be more than happy to see references that definitively show multiple facilities acting in tandem on that December morning.

Also any solid references to EISCAT having significant E-layer modification capabilities.

I don't know if they were operating or not but they do exist. Do you want make my work easy and confess to their existance?

I have no problems whatsoever in accepting the existence of multiple EISCAT/HAARP/etc type of sites around the world ... it's openly documented, of course.

What I do, however have difficulties with is this sudden revelation (under pressure from additional evidence I have just presented) that EISCAT had potential assistance from some of these other sites and the potential emergence of collaboration in the spiral event.
Will some evidence shortly be made available to show that this actually happened ?

Seems to me that the hole that EISCAT is finding itself in is getting deeper and deeper as counter evidence is brought to bear.

the puzzles are fitting together
if you forget about the spiral event and study what go on around tromso norway experiment rocket testing , eiscat playing with the ionosphere

Auroa borealis light show around the edge of Norway & Finland


watch closely folks ! an brief education on the Aurora Borealis if you do not understand it !! 1 min long

this video here www.youtube.com...

think of EISCAT in the mix ! and a possible projectile ?

and the picture spaceweather.com... better in perfection in 12/09/09 than the first of 2/16/96 and instead of horizontal but vertical just guessing there

if you rotate the picture to vertical you see that it is almost like the norway spiral just alot less tight and its green instead of plasma like lol


Unidentified Aurora Object Image after Norway Spiral, 01-20-2010, Green Parachute? UFO? Lens Flare? www.youtube.com...

FOR those of YOU that did NOT Bother to Look at my finding ! of the EISCAT experiment of February 16th 1996

Welll... Heres a video for you ! www.youtube.com...

about the February 16th event and the December 9th event


Enjoy !!
some nice videos pics of northern lights

www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...




[edit on 23-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
You are definatly stuck in transmit mode and your receiver needs to be tuned or your IF is all boffed. All I can say to this is: "Beam him up Scotty" then spin him into a big white spiral. lol

Donny, I'm not sure I understand what you're on about here ... can you (or EM) just give me a simple YES or NO answer to the following question, please ?

Does EISCAT have the documented capability to significantly modify or alter the E and Es layers in the ionosphere ?

reply to post by tauristercus


i was wondering have you seen Holes in Heaven? H.A.A.R.P. & Advances In Tesla Technology

could it be possible that eiscat was involved ? on december 9th 2009

have you researched in all levels >?

please at least look at time frame of the section of this documentary

in the time frames of 7.00 to at least 10 3 min of your life !
and that Tauristercus is your answer to to some of the questions that is going on here in this thread. and just throw in a projectile for good measure

all ATS Members please watch holes in heaven www.youtube.com... from the minute time frames 7.00 to 10.00 at least

heating up the ionosphere those darn heaters

seeing that HAARP had 48 antennas www.haarp.alaska.edu... from the start now have 180 www.haarp.alaska.edu...

how many does EISCAT have ? www.thelivingmoon.com...

a pdf of the introduction of eiscat and it sisters in differnt locations and it has 3 grid of arrays locations www.eiscat.se...

enjoy !


later goin to bed tired !

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Wolfenz]

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
You are definatly stuck in transmit mode and your receiver needs to be tuned or your IF is all boffed. All I can say to this is: "Beam him up Scotty" then spin him into a big white spiral. lol

Donny, I'm not sure I understand what you're on about here ... can you (or EM) just give me a simple YES or NO answer to the following question, please ?

Does EISCAT have the documented capability to significantly modify or alter the E and Es layers in the ionosphere ?

Assuming you mean E and F's

T -- I am not trying to be evasive here. I am tired and have a few domestic problems to solve first.
A quick but not definitive answer would be hell yes.
As in ---if you pump one you can and should effect the other just by altering the barrier which I think you know is a linier region and not separated by a vacuum or other such barrier. I have never addressed E and F's before so give me a little time to study it.
Let me address quickly your ARTIFACT a little bit here also. Just to toss it on the table.
There is tons of operative and space junk floating around out there in the regions under discussion.
What do you think about some one zorching a communication satellite of some de funked and forgotten nature.
Thanks for your patience

Originally posted by Wolfenz

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by tauristercus
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Donny ... am I correct in my reading of that pdf document that EISCAT's primary purpose, and what it was designed to do, is to pump HF radio waves into the F-layer of the ionosphere to excite the electrons within this layer ?

Yes I would say that is part.
ESICAT said the VHF was transmitting at the time of the spiral and if you also saw the map you would see the location of other facilities.
We don't for sure know what they were doing at the time of the spiral.
You did catch the parts that the beam can be directional and influenced by the magnetic's ever present
A rocket as a heater and fluid medium would be Wonderbar!

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

i was thinking the same thing in that line as i said and many previous posts and threads about the norway spiral event

as i said that EISCAT like HAARP certainly can direct the energy ( like a hand ) anywhere it wants it says so by the developers and operators themselves of the HAARP facility in the documentary Holes in Heaven HAARP and also it can burst that energy in pulses (waves)
as 1 gigawatts could be 10 20 30 gigawatts in a brief moment etc they use a energy holder nicknamed SHIVA they purge once that storage full ( sorta like a buffer , storage tank , ( think playing around fine tuning your TV in the back of it you get zapped while it still unplugged) in a while all this on the Documentary Holes In Heaven HAARP and they use that as a extra boost

it is a must watch documentary to really understand HAARP and its younger peers SURA / EISCAT etc..

I am really remiss with my stinking dial up. And the cable actually goes under the river. I am better suited for a HAARP grounding connection than a video down loader.
I hope you and EM can field some of this data and questions while I regroup a little.
See you-all soon I hope.

Information on Eiscat: This information should answer quite a few questions for everyone involved. Notice, more Harvard papers at the bottom of the page. Study this before making any attacks, and we'll all discuss it like intelligent human beings.

arrc.ou.edu...

Many studies made on Eiscat and Haarp
e7.eiscat.se...

www.agu.org...

You might want to pay attention to this: E, Es portions of Ionosphere Addressed:
Harvard Journal:
adsabs.harvard.edu...
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

Snippet from above source:

The EISCAT ionospheric radar - The system and its early results
by H Rishbeth - 1985 - Cited by 34 - Related articles
THE EISCAT IONOSPHERIC RADAR 48! The idea of a sophisticated incoherent ...... of atmospheric winds and waves is the formation of sporadic E layers (Es). ...
adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1985QJRAS..26..478R

[edit on 23-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by tauristercus


Thanks for the frequency chart Tauristercus. Its actually good to have that posted directly for quite a few reasons.

reply to post by tauristercus


Actually Tauristercus, Eiscat does work in tandem with other facilities. In fact Eiscat is a receiver for HAARP.

I didn't read the entire context of the argument that you were having, but, I just figured I would throw this in.

Also, I would show you the reference of what I'm speaking about, but, I keep getting warned for excessive quoting.

More Eiscat information:

Read carefully:
www.eiscat.se...

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Evidence, please.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Can you show us what of those 54 pages is relevant to your claims?

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

You might want to pay attention to this: E, Es portions of Ionosphere Addressed:
Harvard Journal:
adsabs.harvard.edu...
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

Snippet from above source:
The EISCAT ionospheric radar - The system and its early results
by H Rishbeth - 1985 - Cited by 34 - Related articles
THE EISCAT IONOSPHERIC RADAR 48! The idea of a sophisticated incoherent ...... of atmospheric winds and waves is the formation of sporadic E layers (Es). ...
adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1985QJRAS..26..478R

Holy crap !!! There are 512 pages in the above document.

Can you direct me to, or cut/paste the definitive sections that categorically confirm that EISCAT has the capability to modify or alter the E and Es regions, please ?
I do NOT want to see radar scatter being used as evidence because I'm already aware they use that technique - and radar scatter is a 'passive' tool only.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
More Eiscat information:

Read carefully:
www.eiscat.se...

Just read the section on E-layer investigations conducted by EISCAT in that report ... completely limited to rocket and scatter type evaluation only.
No reference whatsoever to having the capability and/or intent to modify or alter the E and Es-layers.

In case I may have missed it, could you please copy/paste the relevant section that confirms such E-layer modification abilities, please.

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
More Eiscat information:

Read carefully:
www.eiscat.se...

Just read the section on E-layer investigations conducted by EISCAT in that report ... completely limited to rocket and scatter type evaluation only.
No reference whatsoever to having the capability and/or intent to modify or alter the E and Es-layers.

In case I may have missed it, could you please copy/paste the relevant section that confirms such E-layer modification abilities, please.

I haven't had time to go through it with a fine toothed comb yet. I am a full time student who also works full time. But, I will be able to respond better in about 2 days. Sorry for the delay. I have midterms coming up which is the reason I have not been nearly as active on this thread, or others for that matter.

Thanks for your patience Tauristercus.

reply to post by tauristercus


I really don't know what you are really gunning for here But this says the E is very, very much affected by manipulation of the F.



Effects of HAARP on the Ionosphere

Nov 17, 2007 ... HAARP does not interact with the neutral atoms and molecules that ... The electron (and ion) density in the E-layer decreases by a factor of ...

www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ion4.html


Natural ionization in the F layer may produce an electron and ion density during the daytime of 1,000,000 cm-3, about 0.2% of the total gas present. Active ionospheric research using the HAARP HF transmitter (interacting only with the ionized particles and not the neutral gas) could suppress this electron density in a localized region to 800,000 cm-3. Compare this with the decrease in electron density that occurs naturally through a large portion of the nighttime F region (shown in the blue curve) of 500,000 cm-3 or less and it is clear that active ionospheric heating cannot duplicate what happens naturally, even within the small affected region directly over the facility.

For ionospheric layers below about 200 km in altitude (the "D" and "E" layers, for example), the electron density may actually increase as a result of active heating because of the suppression of recombination processes. Compare this with the natural depletion that occurs after sunset every evening when the E-layer electron density falls by as much as 200 times to levels of 1,000 cm-3 over almost the whole nighttime hemisphere. end

Now remember I am not your lacky boy so this is the last digging I'll do for you.

Originally posted by tauristercus

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
You are definatly stuck in transmit mode and your receiver needs to be tuned or your IF is all boffed. All I can say to this is: "Beam him up Scotty" then spin him into a big white spiral. lol

Donny, I'm not sure I understand what you're on about here ... can you (or EM) just give me a simple YES or NO answer to the following question, please ?

Does EISCAT have the documented capability to significantly modify or alter the E and Es layers in the ionosphere ?

T look , just like with your math, Radio is a total package --as you know by the frequency charts. I have been pointing out the diversity of the upper limits of the atmosphere throughout these threads. As in the frequencies-- you go up or down in count, one cycle at a time if you desire or with manipulation you can jump to a fixed or variable parameter at will and oscillate and modulate at the same time.
It is basically the same with the atmosphere. Start at sea level and measure the weight of the air. 14.2 pounds
per square inch. That air is less dense therefore less heavy as you ascend. The upper atmosphere is more manipulative as it is less dense and has a more pronounced natural phenomenon. This makes a small amount of manipulation go a long way.It is easier to fashion-- as it were. Much easier than the Troposphere, where the air is so much denser( Requires more power). A place where there is really much more action than way up there in the ionosphere, It is actually just not phenomenal to us as it is an every day occurrence called weather.
But again like the frequencies, the atmosphere is a TOTAL package, separated by just an inch or two at a time. So just like what happens at the top or the bottom the effect is realized through out the atmosphere. The Butterfly effect if you will. That's what makes HAARP a total package.
Physics!

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by tauristercus

 

I really don't know what you are really gunning for here But this says the E is very, very much affected by manipulation of the F.

I'm not gunning for anything more than for one of you to simply answer directly to the question of whether EISCAT is PURPOSELY designed and has the CAPABILITY to DIRECTLY modify or alter the E and Es-layers in a controlled manner.
Instead, all I get is pointers to one document after another and essentially told to research it myself as stated here:

Now remember I am not your lacky boy so this is the last digging I'll do for you.

From my point of view, you are trying to convince the opposing camp of your beliefs validity and so when requested to supply convincing evidence, then you should be forthcoming with it ... instead you continuously sidestep the request and whine.


Well, we're here so let's take a look at this document that you supplied as 'evidence' that EISCAT actively and deliberately can and does alter/modify the E-layers deliberately

www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/ion4.html

Here's what I find:

As the electrons (and ions) acquire additional energy, their temperature increases, their kinetic energy increases and they begin to move more rapidly. In the F layer, this increased movement or expansion results in a decrease in the electron density (electrons move into adjacent undisturbed regions).

Sure, there seems to be some kind of flow on effect to the E-layers when EISCAT deliberately heats the F-layer ... BUT ... it's very clear from the above that any effect on the lower E-layer is completely incidental and nothing more than a byproduct of F-layer manipulation.
There is nothing in it that states the E-layer is in anyway targeted in a deliberate, purposive and controlled manner. Instead, we find an uncontrolled and random movement of F-layer electrons out of the F-layer and into the E-layer.

And as for the F-layer itself, which after all is what EISCAT is all about, you've even shot your argument in the foot with this little gem ... let's colour it so it stands out, shall we ?

... and it is clear that active ionospheric heating cannot duplicate what happens naturally, even within the small affected region directly over the facility.

That hole that EISCAT finds itself at the bottom off, just got significantly deeper !

reply to post by tauristercus

To answer your yellow letters--
T gosh! Don't you realize that-- that means you can't duplicate an Aurora Borealis?(sp)
That's why you get perfect spirals and not more wispy Solar plasma charged images.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Donny 4 million]

Look, if EISCAT or HAARP have weapon type capabilities do you really think we will find much documentation of it? Can they effect the E layer? Of course they bloody can. It's just a matter of power and frequency(unless I'm missing something) Do they do it deliberately? As if they are going to tell us.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying your work taur and donny.

I have to go to work. I'll come back tonight and try and be constructive. I'm very interested in discussing the idea of this being an anti-radar, spirally, aerosoly kind of a thing.