Argentina to blockade Falkland waters in dispute over oil rights

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by CaptChaos

 

first off, it's not England, it's the UK.

Second, the Falklands have been a UK territory for nearly 200 years - we are "claiming" nothing, we are supporting the right of the islanders to self determination.

They CHOSE to remain part of the UK.

Of course the Falklands have taken on added significance because of the oil, but to suggest that is the only reason is silly.

Yes, it's awfully hard to say no to the 800 pound guerrilla sitting on you when he asks if you still like him. There's nothing like a few war ships and a bunch of UK nationals to make such a decision possible.

reply to post by Fromabove


So, to hell with the feelings and desire of the population there? Please don't lecture anyone of colonialism when you are adversing ignoring the democratic rights of the Falklands population. Who voted for their own constitution and remaining ties with Britain.

France has the same policy: All colonies are entitled to a vote on independence. Bermuda requested one from the British government, and their parliament declined it and overruled their First Minister.

As for Argentina and growth, the fact it defaulted on debt has left an awful taste in investors mouth. Majority of the growth is from public sector-there were talks of IMF providing assistance (again) last year to stabilise their currency.

Originally posted by CaptChaos
This has been looming for over twenty years. A long time ago, they discovered ENORMOUS oil reserves under and around the Falklands. This is the only reason the UK wants to claim them.

How remarkably far sighted we were then, since they have been British for almost 200 years.

Do you really think your lousy government cares a fig about some 200 sheep shaggers that they sent to live on their little godforsaken colony?

Public opinion says they have to.

Give me ONE good reason why islands directly off the coast of Argentina should belong to some place on the other side of the planet? I'll tell you why they want them. OIL. No more, no less.

They are 300 miles off the coast, far from 'directly', and they have had no Argentine occupancy (apart from a few weeks in 1982) for 200 years. Give me one good reason why Argentina wants them after all that time?

In the eighties, the oil was not worth extracting because down there in the Southern Ocean, for those who have never been down there, it is freezing cold and blowing at least a gale, with fifty foot waves every day. This makes offshore drilling very difficult, but not impossible. Simply more expensive. There is more oil off the Falklands than the entire Mideast, but it will cost around fifty bucks a barrel to extract it. So if oil prices are below about sixty a barrel, it's not worth it. SO back in the eighties, it was nowhere near worth it.

And yet we went to war to liberate British citizens from an invading force. You answered your own, earlier, question.

Any places that DON"T want to give up control of their oil to the multinational oil conglomerates, are then declared to be The Axis Of Evil......etc ad nauseum

So are you saying that Britian should just give up its own oil in the South Atlantic? For what reason, that Argentina is nearer? Grow up.

Is Argentina in favour of Britian pulling out so that the Falklands can be an independant state? No, its because they want it instead. The word for that is HYPOCRISY.

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reply to post by Muckster


Yes, most members wish to ignore the democratic wishes. Of course, these are the same members who support the Iranian government and think we should declare war on Israel

Mindless fascists

reply to post by Fromabove


Are you suggesting the islanders don’t want to be part of Britain??? That they are somehow being coerced into it???

If so... you really need to do some research! Or at least back up your comments with facts!!

I had a friend who was stationed in the Falklands... i assure you, the average islander is far more patriotic about Britain than your average mainlander.

And in case you missed it... i replied to your earlier comment but it’s on the bottom of page 7 so easily missed!

A comment, from citizen of Argentina..

It is not about saber-rattling. It is about distracting the Argentine people away from the serious deterioration of the country the current corrupt and useless government has led us to, just like in 1982. The Armed Forces have been stripped of all power, drastically reduced in size, budget. The war minister is a former guerrilla member who knows all about kidnapping and murder, not about warfare.

Reading the opinion section on many media sites, majority of Argentina are worried their government is using the wrong method to solve a political crisis at home..

reply to post by Fromabove


I'm sorry, how is Britain being greedy? The Falklands are rightfully theirs. Britain offered to share the profit with Argentina but they wanted 100% of it. You would of known that if you read most of the thread.

The Argentinians are the greey and ignorant ones. It's up to them if they want their asses handed to them for the second time.

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reply to post by Fromabove


If you knew anything, you'd know that the ONLY reason there are ships around the falklands is because when there weren't any, argentina invaded.

Again for the reading impaired, the islanders have determined that they want to remain part of the UK - argentina tried to FORCE them to give up their nationality and become part of their country. The islanders didn't want it then, don't want it now, and have never wanted it.

Exactly the same as Gibraltar.

Is that so difficult to understand?

As somone of Irish descent, I would be the first to cry foul if this was against the islanders will, but the FACT remains that it isn't.

In fact, quite the opposite.

Clear yet?

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by Fromabove

 

So, to hell with the feelings and desire of the population there?

Please don't lecture anyone of colonialism when you are adversing ignoring the democratic rights of the Falklands population. Who voted for their own constitution and remaining ties with Britain.

France has the same policy: All colonies are entitled to a vote on independence. Bermuda requested one from the British government, and their parliament declined it and overruled their First Minister.

As for Argentina and growth, the fact it defaulted on debt has left an awful taste in investors mouth. Majority of the growth is from public sector-there were talks of IMF providing assistance (again) last year to stabilise their currency.

Take away the UK military and remove all of the Brits from the Islands, then ask them to vote. You may be surprised to find a different answer this time around. Right now they have no choice because they are occupied by force and economic blackmail.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Are you suggesting the islanders don’t want to be part of Britain??? That they are somehow being coerced into it???

If so... you really need to do some research! Or at least back up your comments with facts!!

I had a friend who was stationed in the Falklands... i assure you, the average islander is far more patriotic about Britain than your average mainlander.

And in case you missed it... i replied to your earlier comment but it’s on the bottom of page 7 so easily missed!

As soon as you said the words "friend stationed" that told me what I needed to know. They are occupied.

reply to post by Fromabove


So who then votes, the sheep??? lol
thanks for the best smile I've had in ages

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reply to post by Fromabove


I have friends stationed in Georgia (US) dose that mean they are occupied. That would be wearied occupy your own land.

Originally posted by Sozen94
reply to post by Fromabove

 

I'm sorry, how is Britain being greedy? The Falklands are rightfully theirs. Britain offered to share the profit with Argentina but they wanted 100% of it. You would of known that if you read most of the thread.

The Argentinians are the greey and ignorant ones. It's up to them if they want their asses handed to them for the second time.

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One only has to look at the history of the UK, Britain, United Kingdom to see what their all about. Greed, power, and theft. I'm sorry to put it so strongly but that's how it is. They think they're deserving. The island are off the coast of Argentina, The UK is in the north Atlantic. The UK sharing with Argentine part of what is actually theirs alone is like Obama giving a tax refund to citizens after he taxes the poop out of them first.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Britain needs to walk away from the Falkland islands. The days of colonization of other peoples lands for profit and gain are gone, or should be. Geographically, the islands are no where near England.

Who invented this law that geographical proximity determines sovereignty? who should the USA give Hawaii to?

Let us not think that Argentine has no friends in the region. Brazil, a rival of Argentina wants to have it's own nuclear arsenal and wield some regional power of it's own. They would love to see a little war with England and would even send some help to the Argentinians in order to stick it to the powers that be.

Brazil are the biggest power in the region and have strong economic ties to the USA and UK and are currently forging a massive economic alliance with France. They would not join any conflict at all, much less be on the side of Argentina, especially if Argentina are clearly seen to be the CAUSE of any such conflict.

And as for the Brits attacking targets on the Argentine homeland, that would make it a full scale war for sure and would no doubt cause the Argentines to go to Britain and wreak some havoc of their own through retaliatory actions such as attacking infrastructure etc.

Right, lets get this straight. IF Argetnine jets make an unprovoked attack on British aircraft, for they would have to remove the RAF before any attack over the sea could begin, then the bases from which the aggressive action came would be a legitimate target, as long as we limited ourselves to military bases. As for Argentine forces attacking the UK directly, that is pure ridiculous fantasy with no means in existence to carry it out,

I will make a big prediction here that this time if war happens, the Argentines will be on top and the Brits will finally have to swallow some pride and walk away. Even though they should just give Argentina back their islands.

Well I hope they are too intelligenbt to start a war. If they do they will face far more deadly and capable forces than last time.

PS. How do you give 'back' something which was never theirs?

I find it interesting to note that all the pro Argentine, ant British chest beating berates Britain for 'only wanting the oil' as if it does not apply to Argentina and take no account whatsoever of the inhabitants of the islands.

And then pretend to be the modern enlighted voice of civilisation!! Pathetic.




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reply to post by Fromabove


Rubbish.

Are you just trolling, trying to wind people up?

You clearly have no idea of the issues involved, or choose to ignore them for the sake of causing an argument.

They are not being occupied by force - that's what argentina did, and the islanders WANTED to be rid of them, and WANTED a larger force staioned there in order to ensure their homes weren't invaded again.

But that's OK, I'm now going to pop you on ignore, because the first rule is DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by CaptChaos

 

first off, it's not England, it's the UK.

Second, the Falklands have been a UK territory for nearly 200 years - we are "claiming" nothing, we are supporting the right of the islanders to self determination.

They CHOSE to remain part of the UK.

Of course the Falklands have taken on added significance because of the oil, but to suggest that is the only reason is silly.

Ok it's the United KINGdom. Just right there, I would say that in Scotland, Ireland and Wales, probably a majority DON"T WANT TO BE part of the UK. But that's another whole story.

Yes, it's awfully hard to say no to the 800 pound guerrilla sitting on you when he asks if you still like him. There's nothing like a few war ships and a bunch of UK nationals to make such a decision possible.

Originally posted by budski
Exactly the same as Gibraltar.

Who we gave a referendum to in 1999 on sovereignty, because the Spanish thought the population would wish to leave.

99.8% voted to remain British and Spain accepted the result. Spanish governments support the self determination in Gibraltar, so why can't Argentina with the Falklands?

But, alas, democracy is a relative new thing in South America

Is there anyone here who does not understand the national history of the UK. The needless bloodshed of other peoples for gain, the tyranny, the slaughter of many peoples. They are a self willed people who believe they have the right to dominate and to do as they please. They do not. But they may have their day coming because even as we speak, Islamics by the thousands continue to increase in number and power in the UK and soon they will be ruled by those they ruled over. Look what they did to the Kenyans. Look what they did to Idia. And most notably, look what they did to the Irish on their own Island nation which they had to fight for for years and years because they wouldn't get out. They still have a piece of it, because they refuse to get out. They just won't leave, like an uninvited guest.

The reason the UK wants to keep the Falkland islands is because they think they deserve to, that's all.

They need to give up the Falklands.

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Are you suggesting the islanders don’t want to be part of Britain??? That they are somehow being coerced into it???

If so... you really need to do some research! Or at least back up your comments with facts!!

I had a friend who was stationed in the Falklands... i assure you, the average islander is far more patriotic about Britain than your average mainlander.

And in case you missed it... i replied to your earlier comment but it’s on the bottom of page 7 so easily missed!

As soon as you said the words "friend stationed" that told me what I needed to know. They are occupied.

And why was my friend stationed there????

Because Argentina invaded!!!!!! THATS RIGHT!!! They used military force to take the islands!!!!!


What part of this don’t you understand???

You are coming across as rather ignorant regarding this subject... Ignorant or biased... maybe both.... You make bold statements and back it up with nothing!

Please... show me some proof that the islanders are being coerced into loyalty to the UK!!

reply to post by budski


fromabove and CaptChaos seem to be the same person, might want to get the Mods to have a look in. Both are acting together in this thread, by trolling and derailing.

Both are on ignore too