Argentina to blockade Falkland waters in dispute over oil rights

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Rubbish.

Are you just trolling, trying to wind people up?

You clearly have no idea of the issues involved, or choose to ignore them for the sake of causing an argument.

They are not being occupied by force - that's what argentina did, and the islanders WANTED to be rid of them, and WANTED a larger force staioned there in order to ensure their homes weren't invaded again.

But that's OK, I'm now going to pop you on ignore, because the first rule is DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

No, no trolling, just being respectful to people adressing me that's all. I'm passionate about subjects when it comes to the UK for all they did to people across the world. So if I seem intent here it's because of that and nothing more. If you wish me not to adress your replies, let me know, thanks.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Take away the UK military and remove all of the Brits from the Islands, then ask them to vote. You may be surprised to find a different answer this time around. Right now they have no choice because they are occupied by force and economic blackmail.

Sorry? Are we supposed to take that statement seriously?

reply to post by waynos


The Argentines did have plans to attack Gibraltar etc.. Just as we had plans to attack the Argentine mainland. Fortunately neither side carried out such attacks.

I love the mantra, kick out all the colonists (kill a few in the process) so we can be the new colonists and not consider this in the slightest hypocritical.

reply to post by CaptChaos


As far as scotland, wales and NI are concerned, the process has already happened, and is called devolution.

They each have their own parliaments which can vote on their own issues, and also have members of the UK parliament which can vote on english issues as well.

But the english don't have their own parliament voting on purely english issues.

So your red herring is just that - a red herring and has absolutely no bearing on this discussion, particularly as you don't seem to know the history or even what an act of union is.

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by budski

 

fromabove and CaptChaos seem to be the same person, might want to get the Mods to have a look in. Both are acting together in this thread, by trolling and derailing.

Both are on ignore too

Could anyone please explain to me when replying to those who adress you is trolling? And, how long on one thread is one allowed to be when it interests you ? Mods please? Also, if those who claim I'm a troll are on it as long as me and doing the same as me in responding, aren't they kind of more like a troll than me since they keep asking me to reply to them ? Mods, help me understand, and no, CaptChaos isn't me, he just understands the UK mindset and geographical logic.

My thanks to the mods.

reply to post by infinite


Yeah ive noticed that... Most of it seems to be very strong anti British drivel...

"Is there anyone here who does not understand the national history of the UK. The needless bloodshed of other peoples for gain, the tyranny, the slaughter of many peoples"

Please... what junk... i am not denying that Britain has ever done wrong... but this comment could just as easily be about Argentina, Spain, France, Portugal, USA, Russia, Germany etc...

It has no relevance on the current topic and is just an attempt to provoke British people into an angry response....



Therefore... TROLL...

reply to post by Fromabove


And as I said, I am of Irish descent, so if someone were going to cry foul I would be first in the queue.

What happened in the past has absolutely no bearing on this situation - and frankly, the past belongs in the past.

Of much more import is the fact that the population of the falklands wants to remain part of the UK, they have voted on this, they have had the opportunity to be independant.

They chose to stay part of the UK - if they had not, or if they preferred to change their lifestyles, culture and language and become part of argentina I would have no problem with it.

No one has forced them, no one has pressured them - they chose their course.
End of story.

Unless of course you are saying that their choice doesn't matter, and because the UK has a bit of a history (including being the first country to abolish slavery and then spending decades fighting the slave trade - but let's just gloss over that eh) then people under their "rule" who have chosen to be part of the country should just be ignored.

It's a nonsensical argument which has no basis in fact, only in emotionally driven opinion.

Originally posted by Fromabove
They are a self willed people who believe they have the right to dominate and to do as they please.

I'm British and I find that pretty insulting to be honest. It's this kind of broad generalization which shows that you are both incredibly ignorant and xenophobic. Neither of which shows intelligence or integrity.



[edit on 18-2-2010 by Chonx]

Originally posted by Fromabove
One only has to look at the history of the UK, Britain, United Kingdom to see what their all about. Greed, power, and theft. I'm sorry to put it so strongly but that's how it is.

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In the days of Empire, yes, you are right. But that was two centuries ago and we are not the ones now making noises about taking over control of someone elses territory.

However lets look at the last century of British History -

the Empire was reformed into the Commonwealth where members only stayed by choice. Over 90% of them did

And what did Britain gain from WW2? The country bankrupted itself to fight for the greater good of the world despite several opprtunities to back out when things looked bad.


Has Argentina got any similar noble exploits to share? Nope? Thought not.

They think they're deserving. The island are off the coast of Argentina, The UK is in the north Atlantic. The UK sharing with Argentine part of what is actually theirs alone is like Obama giving a tax refund to citizens after he taxes the poop out of them first.

Except is ISN'T Argentina's is it. Thats why they are whining like bitches.

To Mr. or Ms. fromabove my I ask a question, it my no have any doings in this thread? But I would like to know what country or territory do you reside in. Im not being nosey it just sounds like you have lived in the Falklands from your expertise in Falkland history and view points of the populous. sorry for asking I was just wanting a frame of reference

Thank you

reply to post by Chonx


I'm pretty sure that he/they/she are some kind of disaffected muslim judging by the assertion that the UK will soon come under islamic rule.

If there was any coherence to the argument they present it wouldn't be a problem, but it's just trolling for the sake of it - trying to get a reaction because of some reactionary hate agenda.

Hey, please take it out on blair and brown, because they are the ones who invaded the mideast against the will of the UK population - not the people of the falklands who have chosen to remain part of the country.

reply to post by waynos


Erm, not to mention now accepting colonies from the other nations into the commonwealth! who are actually asking to join the Britain is evil gang

I've never quite understood that, as the queen is the head of the commonwealth are they accepting her as their head to??

[edit on 18/2/10 by thoughtsfull]

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Figurehead is all.

I'm not sure how it works if a country had a president rather than a PM.

Perhaps Infinite could clarify this for us

Originally posted by hillbilly4rent
To Mr. or Ms. fromabove my I ask a question, it my no have any doings in this thread? But I would like to know what country or territory do you reside in. Im not being nosey it just sounds like you have lived in the Falklands from your expertise in Falkland history and view points of the populous. sorry for asking I was just wanting a frame of reference

Thank you

Thankyou for your asking. I am a US citizen and Irish by descent. I am a historical research annalist and have spent many hours related to the subject of the UK and most other major world powers. While I understand what some may be trying to say here that the Falkland people have chosen their own course with the UK, it is expedient for the UK to simply "give" them their independence. Sometimes I am a little peeved by some misunderstood remarks by individuals who only look at what they can see without taking history into account. And often they get upset at me for my own views and call me a troll if they start to lose the debate of discussion. Me however, will talk for as long as allowed and receive any amount of criticism so as to allow for the free speech of that individual and their personal respect to say what they wish to me. So, anyway, to answer your question, I am an Irishman living in the US.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Chonx

 

I'm pretty sure that he/they/she are some kind of disaffected muslim judging by the assertion that the UK will soon come under islamic rule.

If there was any coherence to the argument they present it wouldn't be a problem, but it's just trolling for the sake of it - trying to get a reaction because of some reactionary hate agenda.

Hey, please take it out on blair and brown, because they are the ones who invaded the mideast against the will of the UK population - not the people of the falklands who have chosen to remain part of the country.

Perhaps it is the upset that no one is using phrases like "turning X to glass"
and thus does not fit the anti-Britain agenda

reply to post by thoughtsfull


No.

Commonwealth Realm is a member of the Commonwealth that has the Queen as Head of State. In a Republican system, Her Majesty does not override the decision making or sovereignty of the President. Queen is only authoritative in Realms

When she departs from the throne, the Commonwealth is debating the prospect of electing its own head-instead of the British Monarch. There is a General Secretary, I believe, and he/she does the majority of the political work and decision making of the Commonwealth

[edit on 18-2-2010 by infinite]

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Quite right, but I didn't want to add that as the illogicality of it may make his head explode. I hope you know what you've done

I think the Queen is the nominal head of state for every country with her picture on the coinage

I do think that since fromabove and his alter ego have had their Falklands arguments fairly conclusively demolished, they now seem to be going off like a scattergun in any and every direction in an increasingly desperate attempt to score a hit. Shame.

reply to post by infinite


Thanks for that, I've always wondered with the new members joining like Rwanda..

Strange how they want to be part of the Commonwealth if we really were such bad sorts

reply to post by Fromabove


Where are you an analyst?

Why can't you spell analyst?

Why is your english so poor, as to be an analyst a certain level of english is a basic requirement, as well as correct grammar and sentence structure.

Which exams did you take in Ireland, and at which level?

What part of Ireland are you from?

Why do you not understand the difference between Northen Ireland and the Republic of Ireland?

You see, you are talking to an actual real Irishman - and I don't buy your explanation for one single second.

I think you plucked Irish out of the hat for the sake of expediency, and because Ireland itself is an emotive issue.

If you are Irish, why are you saying that the UK will soon come under Islamic rule?

Lastly, it is against the T&C to knowingly post false information.
In other words to lie.

I await your response.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Israel wishes to join the Commonwealth too.
A potential free trade is being created between the Commonwealth and the EU-another reason why the European Union wants Britain to remain in control of oil and gas in Atlantic.

St.Helena, off the coast of Africa, is another colony with a wealth of oil and gas below the surface.