Argentina to blockade Falkland waters in dispute over oil rights

reply to post by waynos


As the MOD have said, on numerous occasions (and Argentina military HQ knows this), an attempt on the Falklands will result in targeting areas of interest within Argentina itself.

Britain's may not be strong, as it was in 1982, but we have numerous methods in carrying out large scale strikes on Argentina itself.

reply to post by infinite


Sorry, it was responding on a double edged sword, read a post yesterday saying that Britain would face a coalition including Brazil et al to get rid of colonialism (which would then make them the colonists, thus hypocritical) so part of my response was aimed at them as well as your comments which over lapped the other one, So sorry about that

But I would rather Britain took on the issue by herself, since it means we could limited any problems to the Falklands and the issue at hand..

Tho I wouldn't be surprised if right now others are planning on joining/supporting said claim which makes this a pretty dangerous situation.. Could escalate, but hopefully won't if we have a strong enough defence in place to deter any would be aggressive intentions.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Unlike 1982, the element of surprise is no longer available. We are prepared and presenting a "show of strength"

I believe the dispute will die down in a few days.

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Unlike 1982, the element of surprise is no longer available. We are prepared and presenting a "show of strength"

I believe the dispute will die down in a few days.

As do I.

It's interesting to note that whilst our military might not be as strong in terms of manpower and equipment, we now have a technological edge which makes any shortfall immaterial, as well as much improved logistical capabilities.

I personally agree 100 percent with argentina's actions with the island.

Originally posted by morf991
I personally agree 100 percent with argentina's actions with the island.

good for you. Shame you don't explain why, so we can see if any logical thought lay behind your one-liner

Originally posted by morf991
I personally agree 100 percent with argentina's actions with the island.

So you don't believe in self determination?

You believe that people who have lived somewhere for generations should not be able to choose who governs them?

You believe that right should be taken away by force?

reply to post by budski


But don't you see? The people who have their own community there going back nearly 200 years don't enter into it.

The evil colonialist British should be booted out so that Argentina can be the colonialists instead

reply to post by infinite


If Chavez has any common sense at all he will stay out of this.

If he gets involved, we will get involved.

CVN-70 Carl Vinson isn't that far away and its a short flight for B-52s from Louisiana.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by budski

 

But don't you see? The people who have their own community there going back nearly 200 years don't enter into it.

The evil colonialist British should be booted out so that Argentina can be the colonialists instead

Strange how that mantra works...

You hate "X" and then become what your profess to hate..

reply to post by MikeboydUS


As I said, under NATO treaty, it would give the United States the perfect justifiable reason (under international law) to remove Chavez.

I am supprised nobody has said this will be the catalyst for WWIII

The UK is entitled to defend their interests & territory against outside aggressors but to attack targets on mainland South America would be a huge mistake. Maybe one side is apparently superior to the other but both sides are going to suffer before a shooting war is resolved.

Let's just hope sanity prevails and this issue is resolved without a shot being fired. The existing UK offer sounded quite reasonable to me.

reply to post by coffeesniffer


I think thats because no one wants to turn Argentina into glass :-)

certainly not over oil ;-)

And Argentina is always a good voting aid for a struggling UK government..

reply to post by Pilgrum


Britain has offered to share the oil profit, but Argentina wants 100% and the Falklands. So yes, the original deal was reasonable and fair.

Argentina will not even maintain the war graves, which we offered to fly relatives to the island. Government officials were even invited to the 25th Anniversary in London, to agree to "never again."

They refused.

So, who is in the wrong?

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
I think thats because no one wants to turn Argentina into glass :-)

If they cheat and knock us out of the World Cup, then I'm all in favour in signing the dotted line and using Trident

This has been looming for over twenty years. A long time ago, they discovered ENORMOUS oil reserves under and around the Falklands. This is the only reason the UK wants to claim them. Do you really think your lousy government cares a fig about some 200 sheep shaggers that they sent to live on their little godforsaken colony?

Give me ONE good reason why islands directly off the coast of Argentina should belong to some place on the other side of the planet? I'll tell you why they want them. OIL. No more, no less.

In the eighties, the oil was not worth extracting because down there in the Southern Ocean, for those who have never been down there, it is freezing cold and blowing at least a gale, with fifty foot waves every day. This makes offshore drilling very difficult, but not impossible. Simply more expensive. There is more oil off the Falklands than the entire Mideast, but it will cost around fifty bucks a barrel to extract it. So if oil prices are below about sixty a barrel, it's not worth it. SO back in the eighties, it was nowhere near worth it.

Fast forward to today. What is the oil price per barrel right now? Still under fifty I believe. Last year's oil price hikes were merely a test to see if the sheeple would pay it without complaining too much, and they did.

Other than the oil, there is NOTHING worth ANYTHING in the Falklands. There is NO REASON for England to even WANT them, if it weren't for the oil. This is indicating oil prices DEFINITELY skyrocketing over fifty and soon. THe only reason they pretend the Mideast has ALL the oil is because it is jsut the place where it is nearest the surface, therefore the CHEAPEST to get at. That's all.

There is more oil under the Falklands than the entire mideast. THere is more oil IN THE US than the entire mideast. It's just cheaper to extract in the mideast, and they have already made deals with all the crooked Arab govts. to give up the oil, in exchange for the sheiks get learjets and blonde hookers all they want, while shafting their own people in exchange, and letting Halliburton et al make all the money.

Any places that DON"T want to give up control of their oil to the multinational oil conglomerates, are then declared to be The Axis Of Evil, threatening the US for some reason, building nuke bombs, gassing Kurds, whatever. Iraq, Iran and Venezuela were and are trying to opt out of their swindling game. Chavez, for example, democratically elected by LANDSLIDE two times, who nationalized the oil, is now painted in the US media as a "dictator" and a "madman" etc. when he is far from that. He is just trying to care for his people more than care for the oil companies. Ooooh, what a villain. Yet all the sheeple line up behind the media, saying, oooh, the boogeyman is out to get us!

Fools.

THis guy had spelled this all out years ago. Then he mysteriously died. Look at this website, and see all the article titles he wrote, yet now you cannot view ANY of the articles anymore. I wish I had backed them up on my hard drive years ago/

vialls.homestead.com...

reply to post by CaptChaos


first off, it's not England, it's the UK.

Second, the Falklands have been a UK territory for nearly 200 years - we are "claiming" nothing, we are supporting the right of the islanders to self determination.

They CHOSE to remain part of the UK.

Of course the Falklands have taken on added significance because of the oil, but to suggest that is the only reason is silly.

Britain needs to walk away from the Falkland islands. The days of colonization of other peoples lands for profit and gain are gone, or should be. Geographically, the islands are no where near England.

On economic power, the Argentine economy grew a robust 15% last year with all debts paid back, including the notorious IMF bank. England however is awash in debt like the USA and having troubles in governing their own land which is being overrun with Islamic nationals who are determined to have it for their own one day.

Let us not think that Argentine has no friends in the region. Brazil, a rival of Argentina wants to have it's own nuclear arsenal and wield some regional power of it's own. They would love to see a little war with England and would even send some help to the Argentinians in order to stick it to the powers that be. Chavez, though a self acclaimed military bully would do the same because it goes against the same powers that rule that area, namely, the USA and the UK. So even though the Argentine nation has a smaller military force, it would cost the Brits quite a bit for pride and greed.

And as for the Brits attacking targets on the Argentine homeland, that would make it a full scale war for sure and would no doubt cause the Argentines to go to Britain and wreak some havoc of their own through retaliatory actions such as attacking infrastructure etc.

I will make a big prediction here that this time if war happens, the Argentines will be on top and the Brits will finally have to swallow some pride and walk away. Even though they should just give Argentina back their islands.




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reply to post by CaptChaos


Did you not read any of the earlier posts before your own? Most of the "issues" you raised have been addressed... we all know about the oil!!! Why do you think that Argentina wants the Islands???

But the point still remains... The people that live on the islands want to remain British... it's THEIR islands and up to THEM to decide who runs them!!!! Regardless of how far away the Islands are from mainland Britain!!!


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