Reasons To Believe

Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to post by ImaNutter

 

While the "Old Testament" remains unmodified from it's original state, it is only the Greek "New Testament" which has notable differences between texts, but these have come to be recognized as Translation based (from Hebrew originals) or Greek Copyist related, yet it also stands true with scrutiny today!

It is not the Biblical textual sources where any real problem can be nailed down but rather our ideas and concepts interpreting its terms!

There are yes about 50 NT codices and they only differ in slight, but there are also about 50 "Version"s of Translation out contradicting each-other dramatically (and somewhat contradicting themselves!), but bring in an Interlinear (Heb. Gr. Eng.) Bible and it settles all... everytime!

You repeated essentially what you wrote to me in your last response. Okay, first you told me the DSS verified that it's all accurate.. when I showed you it is making my point for me.

Did you do your proper research on the ecumenical councils and the other episodes were hundreds to thousands of people of power met to try and figure out what God really meant, and what books God didn't want us to read, and what stories God meant for us to hear and those he didn't?

I am in large part ignoring the translational errors, I am trying to point out to you guys that MANY TIMES OVER a group of rich powerful old men met to decide for themselves what the bible meant, what belonged, and what didn't.

And using your own source, I prove this clearly with the DSS. Who decided that those left out books would be left out? Is it kosher (har har) for them to edit God's word ~50 times? Did God give them permission? How would we know? He mastered the art of creating the universe, the land, the water, the animals, even human beings... but it took him 50ish tries to write the operator's manual?

None of this smells just a teeny bit fishy to you? You're comfortable thinking that men have edited your operator's manual ~50 times through ~2000 years, and it echoes the original message whatever that might be?

That's almost a bigger leap of faith than believing in God itself lol

reply to post by sm403


I think that if there is a god I don't think it would take the HIGHLY irrational view that it's creation's very existance is a affront to it. We are after all talking about a being that set up existance and all the possibilities and rules there in. To say otherwise sounds like an attempt by institutions to in way hook it's adherents on guilt and provide the only possible "cure" for said guilt.

religion is so a few elite at the top can control the masses. Control pure and simple. Control your mind and body, and the claim they can control you even after you die. Control. Period.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Okay let me let you in on a little known secret. lol. No one. I repeat. No one on this planet can live up to God's standards. That is why Jesus had to die for the world. You will never go one day without sinning. No one will.

reply to post by Coemgen


Christ told his followers to eat the bread in rememberance of him. He referred to it as his flesh, because just as the food sustains our bodies he sustains our spirit. The wine was his blood and for same reasons.

reply to post by Coemgen


Christ told his followers to eat the bread in rememberance of him. He referred to it as his flesh, because just as the food sustains our bodies he sustains our spirit. The wine was his blood and for same reasons.

reply to post by UMWHAT


Very nice information. You see you are on the right track. I understand that people should congregate and worship the Lord, but you are looking inside yourself and doing your own research. I commend you.

reply to post by WickettheRabbit


Very wise information you have shared.


Thanks.

I always kind of thought of the bible as a tool to teach good morals and what not.

It seems to me that while organized religeon has it's faults, the messages seem to be pretty okay if not taken out of context.

I mean, it seems like some people get so consumed by their own ideals they forget to let other people do their thing.

I've had great conversations with people that believed in God and people that don't believe at all. Sometime's I'll hear things like, "It's my duty as a Christian to try and get you to accept christ/believe/whatever."

And the typical response these days seems to be something along the lines of, "Quit pushing your beliefs on me, you're obnoxious, so on and so forth."

And while it is obnoxious, they do legitamatly feel that it's their duty to help you to what they consider to be salvation. I think we forget how imperfect we all really are. Not compared to God or anything, but just ingeneral.

I could go on for hours about this sort of thing, but I think I'll just leave it at that. We're imperfect. And the person who started this thread is no worse than the person who's angry about what was said.

Be cool people, we're all just trying to figure life out anyway.

Edited for better punctuation.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Hawk89]

reply to post by Conclusion



It is nice to see other posters are not afaid to speak up for the light and I agree with you 100%. Nice thread friend.


[edit on 2/17/10 by Ophiuchus 13]

reply to post by Phlynx

I agree that they should get along with each other. I disagree about the end. If nonbelievers are right then your right it will not matter, but if believers are right then it will matter very much.

reply to post by metamagic

Stating that one does not believe in Christianity, not complaining about being endlessly harassed by Christians bent on converting you is not Christian bashing. It is simply "I don't agree with you. Leave me alone."

Yes I agree. But when the name calling and comparisons of said faith ...well just read the first couple of responders to the post....are thrown around then yeah that is bashing. Oh and why would someone respond to a believers thread if they just want to be left alone? You see everyone feels a need to say something about it. Good or Bad.

Actually no, I was a lifelong born-again, Bible believing Christian. Then I started looking closely at what I believed because it was starting to ring false. Those who seek shall find.. and what I found, the answers that brought me peace and joy were not Christian ones. When I started off my quest, I wanted to justify my faith, to prove to myself that my years of faithfulness were not wasted.

What part started to ring false? How could you not find peace with Jesus? That is what he preached. lol. That really makes no sense. Well apparently your years of faithfulness to something you apparently began to not believe in brought you here. You know just as a child doesn't understand why their parents do the things they do, so are we when it comes to God.

Christianity? Been there, done that, not making that mistake again.

lol. One man's mistake is another man's treasure.

Found them thank you.

False answers can get you into trouble.

Yeah, that's what started me off on my shedding of Christianity, opening myself to possibilities. But I have learned that nothing we do is ever wasted, everything counts and has value, even those many years I spent as a Christian.

lol. That is the plan. Everything, every moment, every pulse of a wave was planned in advance, for the finale outcome of the future. And you said you didn't believe anymore...

Originally posted by whiteraven

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going. Francis Crick. Co-discoverer of DNA

FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of '___' when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in
Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

www.mayanmajix.com...

Stuff that in your Creationism pipe and smoke it.

The truth is stranger then fiction. (new meme?)

lol. And? It does not negate his quote what so ever. Nice try though. Oh and something else. They still cannot understand how life began. lol.

Now guess where you can stuff that.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Well said. But I must point out. When the Lord guided Israel, they took everything they come into contact with. He gave them what he said he would. And when they would not listen to him, he punished them just as he said he would.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
I try to love God and Jesus with all my heart. But I do have some questions.

1) Is Jesus the Savior only of this Earth, or does he visit all the other planets?
2) I know God is the most important person of all, but is it okay if you love your family and friends just as strongly?

Those are great questions. I have always wondered if we where his only creations in this universe. I have not found an answer to that at the moment. Should we love our family and friends as much as we love God? When the Holy Spirit touches your heart you come to an understanding that by loving God more than anything else you will be able to share his love with your friends and family. And his love is way beyond our kind of love. Once again, those where very good questions. And the answers are just what I believe.

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by nik1halo

 

I am not religeous because of the hypocritical, self delusional, holier than thou BS that is often spouted. Because of the horrors that have been committed again and again in His name. Because of the oppression of art, and science that has held mankind back millenia and because quite simply because of people like you who constantly tell me how I feel and think or how I should feel or think. I respect your right to believe, so please respect my right to my views and stop trying to convince everyone else.

AMEN.

It's amazing how the OP discounts people who have had Christians rip them open like wild animals. Robbed, abused, lied to.. the list is literally yards long. People who have had all sorts of faith, and had every. last. bit. destroyed by 'God's foot soldiers'.

What I will love to point out is the arrogance of the OP, what with the replies I have seen so far. It's typical Christian posturing. Does your kind get some sort of woody being controlling, arrogant, insulting SOBs? Is this how you represent a love, kind savior? Obviously, the answer is yes. So... what is the message you're sending? The 'kind, loving savior' you portray is a LIE.

And then we have this guy. I described you in the OP. lol. So you believe that Christians should not get angry? You have a lot to learn my little fuzzy, wuzzy carebear. Is that the way you would prefer to be talked to. Then I suggest you speak with the same kiddie gloved endeavor. Because as an individual and sinner also, I must admit that I do receive quiet abit of sinful glee when someone like you comes around for bashfest 2010. You are the type of person who cannot stand the fact that you control nothing. You run around day to day doing what you deem important just to realize that in the end it will be for naught. By the way I am sending no message from the savior, this is just me talking. I am sure he would disapprove of my choice of style to respond to your ignorance, but it is your obnoxious manner that will make me ask for forgiveness and say,"The Devil made me do it".

Get thee behind me.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Conclusion]

Originally posted by MAC269
reply to post by Conclusion

 

Dear Conclusion

What are you trying to do with this thread??

No I mean it what are you trying to do???

If none believers are all going to hell that should be fine with you, should it not. Who wants an over crowed heaven??

As it stands there will be very few souls in heaven.

Or are you trying desperately to bolster your own belief??

What I am trying to do is get a great discussion going on.

No I would want to see anyone go to hell. And I do mean anyone.

Bolster my own belief? lol. No. Bolstering is not a good thing.

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by Conclusion

 

I do believe. I only came to a point, I Think religion is full of crap.
This not something what somebody told me. I have experienced some , learned some and concluded it to be so. Full of crap.

Perhaps you feel free to explain Isaiah 45-7 to me ?
I think it says christian believe, is full of crap. U2U me if you like.

I do not bash anyone where I'm aware of. Yet I never got an answer in return to this question. Will you be the first ?

Isaiah 45-7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

What do you need explained. He does all things. You can replace the word evil with calamity. I hope that helps. Still not sure of what you need explained.

reply to post by randyvs


Uh oh...I read that to late.

reply to post by Quikslvr


Now that response was a message from the savior.....better job than I did.

Nice.