Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map

Originally posted by jonburrows
Its not just Australia and NZ that have changed. Africa has shifted itself North and is almost touching Spain. Many other countries have changed. I guess the Hadron collider really did destroy the World (my World) and has shifted me into this one. I'm not joking either. People that were dead in my World are now alive. Very scary stuff.

Again I have to agree. For me (and you) it seems as a shift has occured. This seems silly and strange to those who havent experienced it but to me it is very real. I have even noticed a change in others around me. I feel like I am living on a different path then previously. Take it as crazy but it sure seems like something has changed.

New Zealand has not moved, I think we would have felt it.

For those of you who disagree, please stop making jackasses out of yourselves, thank you.

Originally posted by Majinboob
New Zealand has not moved, I think we would have felt it.

For those of you who disagree, please stop making jackasses out of yourselves, thank you.

I hope to hear thousands upon thousands more cases of people who believe New Zealand is out of its place on the map. Thousands. Its sad you don't understand the whole point of ATS. I also want to wake every day to a new theory about lizardmen from the Zeta Reticular star system. Brilliant entertainment if I don't say so myself. Such a pity you can't seem to handle it. Honestly this is the most entertaining thread EVER on ATS and the only problem with it is the people like you who poop on the thread with insults and negativity.

[I]reply to post by Majinboob

New Zealand has not moved, I think we would have felt it.

The amount of Kiwis in the west, yeah ya moved alright

honestly I cant believe that this has gone on for 50 pages, well I can. just goes to show you how much is taught in American schools about our great lands. You seriously have know friggn idea

There once was a saying in Australia, how many American Indian tribes you know of, then mention the Australian aboriginal ones , gee I am glad this is slowly changing

If anyone thinks we have moved. well look at the link

www.youtube.com...

wally

I don't post that often, but this thread has gotten me so frustrated I needed to relieve some stress by posting now...

I have followed this thread since it first appeared on ATS, and I should state that in my recollection New Zealand has always been SE of Australia.

But what I find difficult to accept is the number of posters that respond and ridicule, in the misguided belief that those who have experienced this phenomenon are suggesting that there has been some kind of geological upheaval that had caused the continents to move.

It has always been my understanding that the issue here is one of people finding themselves in a different reality to the one that they remember.
In this reality NO amount of maps and historical records being cited here are ever going to show that the continents were ever anywhere else. This has already been said elsewhere in this thread.

The idea of alternate realities may be beyond the comprehension of many, even though ATS should be a place where such possibilities can be discussed openly. But nowadays, all I see is an increasing amount of ignorance manifesting across the whole range of topics that are aired across the board.

Now there are sites which describe the relocation of people "who wish to remain asleep" to an alternate planet in order to continue their earthbound existence and be unaware of their home planet's ascension. I am not saying those sites are credible, and will not therefore link to them, but perhaps people should just entertain the possibility (however unlikely) that the reality in which we live is far more complicated than we could ever imagine.

Just because we do not understand, or cannot even envisage situations and experiences that may in fact be real, does not mean it is a work of fiction or delusion.

May I offer my thanks to all those finding themselves in what appears to be an alternate reality for having the courage to post here.

reply to post by LastStandingMan


to quote an aussie... "tell him he's dreaming"

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Well I dunno.....

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Ok, firstly Maybe...maybe not, hope you don't mind me borrowing your pic for the purposes of illustrating my post

I was reading the thread with interest when I came across this picture - it actually had me stumped for a while - don't laugh, but at first I didn't see it was upside down because the writing was the right way up. It took lots of intense staring before I realised

I honestly couldn't contribute anything as to where I think Australia/NZ should be cos I am rubbish at geography. Directionally challenged I guess

But... although an upside down map *may* be the reason for the confusion by the OP and others, why dismiss so easily the possibility of a different timeline? the whole point of a different timeline is that *things are different*.

So if a person was in a timeline where NZ was to the right of Australia, and then they jumped timelines to where it was on the left, of course everyone already in that timeline (or who may have jumped timelines from one where it was still in the same place as this one) would say they were mistaken, laugh it off, say "it's always been there, it hasn't moved" - yeah, it hasn't moved as far as they are concerned, in that timeline, that's all. Doesn't prove that there isn't another timeline where it wasn't in a different place.

Disclaimer: some of the above may not have made much sense. I'm at work and haven't had lunch yet

Originally posted by tdatreefrog

Originally posted by vkey08
also just wish to point out on the map above that there is no such thing as the "Southern" ocean.

There are the Atlantic, Pacific, Indian and Arctic (and if you wish to get really technical the African Rift Ocean is forming and the Tethys (now the Mediterranean) is shrinking)

What makes you think that? Just because you are unaware of it?

en.wikipedia.org...

www.southernocean.org...

www.eoearth.org...





[edit on 13-4-2010 by tdatreefrog]

I see it as something like them rewriting history to take away the planet status of Pluto, it's a purely political division that shouldn't be allowed but that's for another discussion. It also hasn't been formally ratified..

The International Hydrographic Organization (IHO) has not yet ratified its 2000 definition of the ocean as being south of 60°S. Its latest published definition of oceans dates from 1953; this does not include the Southern Ocean. However, the more recent definition is used by the IHO and others.

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[edit on 14-4-2010 by vkey08]

Originally posted by jonburrows
Africa has shifted itself North and is almost touching Spain.

So in your past reality, there were no pillars of Hercules?

Out of interest, was it ever theorised that the Mediterranean was ever dry? Presumbaly not?

How wide do you remember the Straits of Gibraltar (if that is waht they were called) being?

Or, like everyone else, do you have totally perfect recall of world geography on a map being different but conveniently have absolutely no knowledge of anything else that may collaborate your story being different whatsoever?

And if some people you remember as being dead are now alive, presumably there are some now alive you remember as being dead? And some who are famous whom you have no recollection of at all, whilst leading political leaders and pop and film stars whom you remember are now totally unknown?


If someone wants to make up an alternative reality story, try doing more than 3.7 seconds research beforehand! I really cannot believe that the only people from this alternate reality all have total recall of world maps and no knowledge whatsoever of any other aspect of word geography, geology, biology or history.

If NZ was situated to the NW of Australia, please draw me a ]credible map of the tectonic plates in your remembered reality. And a list of main fauna and flora and the explanations - from your reaity - as to why such fauna and flora are unique to NZ. It's as simple as that.

Someone - just one of you - must have some info! All are you all ignorant of basic facts about your past world?

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Essan]

Someone earlier on this thread came up with a explanation which might be worth exploring.

He suggested that people might be remembering atlas pages on which New Zealand had been placed in an inset frame on Australia's left. That would have been convenient for the atlas-makers, enabling them to combine the two countries on one page without reducing the scale.

Now it seems to me that this possibility could be tested out. Perhaps someone could try to find such an atlas page and demonstrate that it was in common use in, say, American schools, in such-and-such a period. At least that would be a practical experiment.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by DISRAELI]

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by jonburrows
Africa has shifted itself North and is almost touching Spain.

So in your past reality, there were no pillars of Hercules?

Out of interest, was it ever theorised that the Mediterranean was ever dry? Presumbaly not?

How wide do you remember the Straits of Gibraltar (if that is waht they were called) being?

Or, like everyone else, do you have totally perfect recall of world geography on a map being different but conveniently have absolutely no knowledge of anything else that may collaborate your story being different whatsoever?

And if some people you remember as being dead are now alive, presumably there are some now alive you remember as being dead? And some who are famous whom you have no recollection of at all, whilst leading political leaders and pop and film stars whom you remember are now totally unknown?


If someone wants to make up an alternative reality story, try doing more than 3.7 seconds research beforehand! I really cannot believe that the only people from this alternate reality all have total recall of world maps and no knowledge whatsoever of any other aspect of word geography, geology, biology or history.

If NZ was situated to the NW of Australia, please draw me a ]credible map of the tectonic plates in your remembered reality. And a list of main fauna and flora and the explanations - from your reaity - as to why such fauna and flora are unique to NZ. It's as simple as that.

Someone - just one of you - must have some info! All are you all ignorant of basic facts about your past world?

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Essan]

Every Country in the World is slightly different. Several have been moved to the North West of there original positions. There were no Pillars of Hercules because Africa was further south and slightly smaller than it is now.
Australia was a lot wider. It appears to be squashed now. NZ was closer to Aus than it is now. It used to be a one day boat ride from Aus to NZ. Now it would take longer than that.
It would take too long to list all of the other changes to other countries.
There are a lot of people that are now alive. Billy Graham. George Wendt, Nelson Mandela, Joanne Woodward, Jon Voight and Dean Stockwell. John Forsyth died years ago. There are many others but i'm not going to list them.

I'm curious as to why people who have been members here for a while (years) and are posting about the geography being different from their memories are only choosing to mention it now?

Why is that?

Why not mention it earlier, or was ATS part of the 'other' timeline as well?

I smell hoax, or delusion.

The change happened for me the day after 31st March. Was this the day when those particles collided in the LHC? If so, then they did destroy my World. Its not a hoax. The first thing I noticed when arriving in this World was things happening that had already happened in mine. One person died who had actually died 5 years ago in my World. I knew immediatley that something was very wrong.

Originally posted by LastStandingMan
Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map

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I'm sorry, but the whole idea is a joke. Australia and New Zealand are in exactly the same place as they've been since I was a child. Maybe they've moved a few inches or even a few feet, but certainly not enough for it to be visible on a map. Dead celebrities have stayed dead, and if you think that the opposite of either of my previous statements is true then you are simply remembering it incorrectly. Geography probably isn't your strong point.

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So in an alternate timeline, the earth's continents are in exactly the same place EXCEPT Australia and New Zealand. Give me a farking break.

This thread is retarded.

Originally posted by jonburrows

It would take too long to list all of the other changes to other countries.
There are a lot of people that are now alive. Billy Graham. George Wendt, Nelson Mandela, Joanne Woodward, Jon Voight and Dean Stockwell. John Forsyth died years ago. There are many others but i'm not going to list them.

NO WAY!

John Voight and Billy Graham are alive too??

I am still having real troublr with Nelson Mandella, though it is wonderful as this seems to be such a more peaceful timeline because of him not being murdered....

Imagine if there is a timeline where John Lennon was still alive to?? Or JFK?? Those timelines would probly rock!

If I jump again, hope it is there!

Mabey the better the timeline, the closer to heaven?? (mentally/spiritually) I am soooooo NOT religious, but something id definatly going on here.....

Mabey we live forever on earth with the right vibrational matches, and in other timelines our "person" or "character", (who knows anymore) may have died in some other timeline???

reply to post by LastStandingMan

Most early maps were two dimensional maps...
...most modern maps attempt to represent the curve of the earth...
...so related land masses appear to have changed position...
...it is merely a perception based on this changed representation.

So 50 pages in, and 2 months since i last looked, and people still cant accept the possibility their memory is bad, theyre bad at geography, or just flat out wrong.

Seriously people. Weve all those moments. "I could have sworn Thing X was in place Y". Mostly its because we dont pay attention because its something we dont know much about, or come into contact enough with.

How many people suddenly think their front door was moved to the side of the house? Noone, because you use it every day. But you might be 'sure' that the door ar your grandmas house who you see once every few years was around the side.

Most likely the reason people think Australia and New Zealand moved, were because to most people its a case of 'theyre islands down there somewhere' and theres no need to worry about exact positions. In a massive area of water, with random islands about the place, itd be easy enough to not remember correctly, or not really NEED to.

Noone is saying 'hey, Europe used to be in the middle of the atlantic'. Europe, Asia, Africa, N & S America, theyre all large masses, that are easily put in relation to other large masses....unlike, say New Zealand.

Its kinda logical, but Im still surprised how deluded some people are.

reply to post by HeHasNoName


wait until THAT many things, change THAT suddenly, to you AND a whole crap load of people,...... THEN you can rant about it...

None of us CHOSE this, it suddenly and VERY clearly happened out of the blue one day.

I want to add to this craziness, that I found a timeline change myself recently.

I am an antique collector and I ADORE Victorian houses - it is my passion and has been since I was a child. I remember when we used to drive to school on the schoolbus we would pick up this one girl who lived in a Queen Anne victorian with a tower and she would tell me about her room in the tower and her secret passage ways in her home. I knew exactly where that house was on that road, and that there was even a hill in the back of her home that descended into woods.

This road that her house was on, was a very busy road in the town I grew up in. 10 years ago I moved out of that town and didnt go back very often. Last month, I drove down that street, and to my bewilderment, the Victorian Queen Anne is not there. Not only that, but several other Victorian houses are not there anymore.

Now this town is extremely historic and a historic society was already hardcore before I moved and its a civil war town- so the likely hood of these houses being demolished is extremely unlikely.

And what was there along the road? 1970's track housing. Who would destory a victorian neighboorhood and replace it with hideous track housing. Not only that but this street used to be wider and had a median with grass in it. No median- just a two lane street. I was blown away. The hill wasnt even there anymore. It was like the entire road had changed.

This has happened before documented here, where a man came back from work one day and 2 barn houses had instantly appeared on his street.
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