Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map

reply to post by Essan

..... and yet no-one from any timeline in which Man Utd play in a blue and white strip,

or even better , one where manchester olympic are the biggest club in greater manchester .

looking at the ` bigger picture `

how different would thier world be if the plane piloted by joe kendedy jr never blew up , and the entire crew of PT109 perished ?

This thread is.... LOL

Here's a world map from 1914
www.lib.utexas.edu...
Made by japan

Compare it to google earth, go ahead lol.

Australia still "almost touches" papua new guinea
And NZ is at same location

[edit on 24-3-2010 by freebourn]

reply to post by Solasis


Actually it is more than just countries being out of place on the map, many have commented on the fact that well known people who had died in their remembered time line are alive in this. Who else really knows what might be the same or different unless you examine every detail of your life. A lot of it people put down to a faulty memory but who is to say that if you are moved to a different time line that your memories also change or at they are supposed to.

After all timelines are a theory and as such is hard to prove, therefore it is also hard to say how things will be in a different time line. Perhaps their are trillions of time lines where only one change happens per person per time line ad infinitum. Who can say nae or yae.

It is something that appears to be impossible to prove to either sides satisfaction.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by keldas]

Originally posted by keldas
Actually it is more than just countries being out of place on the map, many have commented on the fact that well known people who had died in their remembered time line are alive in this. Who else really knows what might be the same or different unless you examine every detail of your life. A lot of it people put down to a faulty memory but who is to say that if you are moved to a different time line that your memories also change or at they are supposed to.

Many people like me have seen a completely different ending for the famous 2001 Space Odyssey movie (where Dave opens a refrigerator, finds blue food, and watches TV like in the book). Those scenes are still vividly in my memory but you can't find them anywhere today. There are no special editions or director's cuts containing those scenes.

Now when I watch the current version of Space Odyssey it looks like someone has erased everything from the ending and replaced it with much worse (and it makes me angry).

Again, I thought I was alone with these memories till I found out that there are actually a lot of other people who claim to have seen the same scenes but which are now missing.

Because there were so many people remembering these missing scenes the investigation was started and you can find a written document about this phenomenon on the net:

A TASTE OF BLUE FOOD IN STANLEY KUBRICK'S 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
www.underview.com...

Every time I read that document it freaks me out in the same way like the memories of New Zealand and Australia.

"For example, the claims of some early viewers to have memories of Dave finding "blue food" in his hotel suite received at least some support, even if actual evidence is still unobtainable. In the first edition, our conclusion was that no such scenes had been filmed. However, it seems highly likely that Kubrick did in fact try out some shots of the food that Clarke so explicitly describes in the book."

"Our difficulty now is that there is no evidence that these shots were ever screened in public, so memories of having seen them may still be false, as we suggested. If any proof does come to light, of early prints of the movie including these scenes, you can be sure that a further revision of this paper will follow soon after."

"Perhaps the most tantalising of all claims about 2001: A Space Odyssey is the sighting of Dave opening packs of "blue food" in his cosmic apartment. Previously considered to be nothing other than a case of ailing memory or confusion between the movie and the book, we now have it on the highest authority that this scene was indeed staged."

Well, of course it didn't come to mind in that document that perhaps different timelines might have something to do with these memories. On other timeline Kubrick filmed a different version of the 2001 Space Odyssey movie which had that blue food scene.

Yes, it is not just about changes on the map.

reply to post by keldas


Oh, yes, I know all that! I've been following this for a month or two But the claims about continents -- they're a crux of the whole thing.

reply to post by LastStandingMan


This is very intriguing; it would really help your case if we could find someone who saw the scenes in the movie but never read the book. That would give a lot more credence to the whole thing. Are there any?

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I want to go back to my timeline were Avatar Won best picture... The Hurt Locker!!! Really , and Chevy Chase is still in Commercials... If only there was a way.

I now see why believers in anything unprovable get sooooo frustrated and angry at the closed mindedness of some people.

There are 2 main groups replying to this thread and others like it.

Group 1.
Something has changed in my world.
Be it history, the layout of the atlas, people I thought were dead, repeating time, lost time, whatever, something changed.

I'm willing to admit that sometimes it is a matter of faulty memory, bad media reporting, deliberate mis info or lousy map making practices in the past.

However, after I have investigated all the above possiblities and not found a satisfactory answer, I turn to my fellow ATSers to see if anyone else is having the same experience.

ATS where we can discuss weird and totally out there concepts without being ridiculed. (ya think)

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Group 2.
Nothing like this has ever happened to me.
All my memories agree with the maps, history books, MSM so I don't see anything out of place.

Therefore anyone who does feel that something is strange is completely delusional, can't read a map, has extremely bad memory and lives in a fantasy world and I will go out of my way to tell them so.

I will not allow for the possiblity that something could have happened.
I will ask for proof, knowing full well from the OP that proof is not available.
I will go out of my way to research and gather evidence to prove that 'nothing has changed' and completely refuse to accept the actual concept of said change.

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That concept being:
I remember things differently than you do, maps and history books are different to my memory of them so I might have switched timelines or dimensions.
Everything material, eg: books, maps, web pages and other peoples memories will be right for THIS reality.

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Group 1.
Somewhere in the time/space continuum is the reality I came from, where geography is different from here, where events in history didn't happen the same as here.

Group 2.
No there isn't, there's no such thing as timeshift, alternate dimensions or time travel, you can't prove it so you're a nutcase.

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It's no better than me saying there's no such thing as god.
I don't believe in god but I don't go to christian sites and tell them they are all nutcases to believe in something there is no proof for.
I might think that but I have enough respect for my fellow humans not to say so.

So to all of you in the 2nd group:
Please try not to make statements like 'there is no such thing as (insert phenomenon)' you haven't any proof either.
Please don't tell the believers they are nutjobs, delusional, have bad reading skills, or are poorly educated (as I saw someone post recently)

There may come a day when these things have an explaination, if it's mundane/scientific then we timeshifters will be happy knowing why things look as if they have changed, if it is indeed some sort of a shift then you debunkers are going to feel pretty silly.

Respect is what it's all about, respecting the other persons right to their own opinion, debate of the subject is always encouraged, but calling the debator a nutcase is not.

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reply to post by PennyQ


at the risk of quoting myself :

Originally posted by ignorant_apei have nothing against the claim that thier are multiple dimensions / a multiverse

i do however have the sense to understand that you cannot simply change one parameter and no others from one dimesion to the next

why are you attempting to pidgeon hole all ats members to fit your delusiuons of what they think ?

reply to post by PennyQ


Ha, I am possibly a solitary member of a third group! I share the opinion of group 2 that nothing happened, and also find the raw concept (Look at the title of this thread!) hilarious and mockable. However, I also believe that it's entirely possible that something wonky has happened. Some elements are, as we understand the world, utterly impossible; particularly the alternative arrangement of the continents. But it's also entirely possible -- almost definite, actually, all things considered -- that our understanding of the world is deeply flawed. Whether it's deeply flawed in that way is up to question, but. So the question of possibility, all things considered, remains utterly open.

Some proof would be nice, and if it really happened, there would have to be some form of proof somewhere. Possibly the sort of thing that we couldn't detect; or, more properly, can't yet. But there would be residue in some fashion. And, if we are convinced that this happened, we need to find a way to find that residue. Or else those of us in Group 3 will never shift to Group 4 -- The believers who didn't experience it. And who knows whether Group 2 will move around.

Personally, I hope someday to be in a future Group 1. That would be fun.

Longtime lurker who has finally joined because of this thread. I am in the group that never remembers seeing a map or atlas or globe showing Australia that close to Papua New Guinea until approximately 6 months ago. I am in the US and have never been to Australia so it might just be a case of bad maps, but why can't we find these maps now? Australia (including Tasmania) and New Zealand were always out in middle of the ocean far away from other land masses. I don't know what's going on, but I don't like it!

What I want to know is why is it overwhelmingly Americans that seem to think we have moved.

Don't you think its just more likely that you have only recently taken notice of the rest of the world, after pulling your head out of your own #$% . If it wasn't for Google maps you probably wouldn't know where the U.S. was.

Port Moresby has always been close to Australia and is where half the illegal immigrants used to leave from. Deny ignorance indeed.

[edit on 11/19/09 by thedeadtruth]

reply to post by LastStandingMan


are you kidding?

nz has always been to the south east of australia. yes, australia does have a pointy bit sticking up near PNG. Its called cape york, and its always been there. So has PNG... just where it is.

i live in australia. I hope you don't, becuz that would be worrying...

reply to post by orthotes


holy crap. what sort of geography are they teaching you over there?

never mind, i went to a us school as a child, so i know.

Answer: american geography.

hence no one knows what australia looks like.

Disturbing, is this thread...

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
why are you attempting to pidgeon hole all ats members to fit your delusiuons of what they think ?

quoting myself as well

There are 2 main groups replying to this thread and others like it.

I never said there weren't other groups or people that don't fit in either group.

But you've proven my point.

"to fit your delusiuons"

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reply to post by thedeadtruth


Alternatively, it could be because the primary merger/transfer between universes occurred in North America. I'm not saying that you should start believing this, just that you shouldn't be so devastatingly dismissive.

Originally posted by rapunzel222

holy crap. what sort of geography are they teaching you over there?
never mind, i went to a us school as a child, so i know.
Answer: american geography.
hence no one knows what australia looks like.
Disturbing, is this thread...

It's not only Americans, i'm from Norway and i remember a different map.
I used to be very good in geography. I could name most of the capitols in Europe before i was 10 years old.

Originally posted by rapunzel222
reply to post by orthotes

 

holy crap. what sort of geography are they teaching you over there?

never mind, i went to a us school as a child, so i know.

Answer: american geography.

hence no one knows what australia looks like.

Disturbing, is this thread...

as someone stated, this isnt just NA. People on ATS from all over the world are reporting this. Even some people in Australia are reporting this.

Someone stated they think this would be cool.... its not. Its really not cool at all. You feel like you where taken from your home and you are never coming back. That is exactly what this feels like. If you think a bad memory or map would cause me to feel this way, then im sorry for your narrow minded thinking. I am 100% sure of this, and there is no denying it for me.

When i look at the world map, i just say "No, thats not right." Especially when it comes to australia.

The worse part is that its not bad maps. Why? Because not a single person has yet uploaded a map of what we might be looking at. Everybody says "OMG look at this 1900 map of australia you are wrong."

Thats exactly the problem. What we are seeing is "wrong." We ARE wrong. Everything we see is wrong. Thats why we are so confused right now.

Its not a cool feeling. It would be cool if i could somehow go back, and i want to, but i cant. Its an awful feeling and there's really no way to describe it.

Its like everything you thought you know about the way the world and life works is completely different than you expected it to be. Kind of like taking the red pill.

Being a NZer living in Australia, i find this topic very strange.

However I was just watching Dazed and Confused and noticed this on the globe. New zealand is missing and there is a land mass to the left of Australia (which obviously shouldn't be)



I don't know whats going on but i thought it was weird and relevant to this topic.

reply to post by dallas18


What in the world...? Is that globe a major plot point or joke point or anything? Because that's just messed up.

Could this be a "clue" from someone who experienced the shift but didn't ell anyone...? From someone who knows what happened?

(And before the skeptics who are not nice jump on me, I'm a skeptic too; I'm just also a speculator.)

Hi Guys,
Did we get to know if many/any of the people, who believe that the timeline, maps etc are wrong, have memories of having a Near Death Experience (NDE)? (I think it may have been mentioned earlier?)

Just speculating here.... but If, nearing death, the soul or life-force seeks out an alternative dimension/timeline to "jump" to, then it probably makes sense that it would choose the quickest, easiest jump... to an adjacent or nearby one?

The result would be that most of the "jumpers" in our current dimension/timeline, would have to have come from nearby dimensions/timelines that are easily "jumpable"!

This could explain the common traits in the "differences" mentioned here?

If there were only one, two (or a very few) dimensions/timelines within jumping distance, then we would definitely come across "common" differences, like the belief that NZ/Australia are in the "wrong" place.

Maybe NZ/Aus IS in a different place, in the nearest "jumpable" dimension/timeline?

G