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Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map
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In my view the world map has changed a lot.
1. South America has moved east and are now closer to Africa
2. Cuba, Bahamas.. has moved North West
3. Hudson Bay has grown in size and is now a huge ocean
4. Greenland is closer to Canada
5. Iceland is bigger
6. Denmark moved East and is now closer to sweden
7. England has moved south and is now very close to France
8. Sicilia has grown in size and has moved east and is now only
3 kilometer from the mainland Italy (fascinating)
9. Africa has grown and moved North(Look at the "Strait of Gibraltar"
how narrow it is now)
10. Madagascar has move North
11. Japan has moved North
12. The whole South East Asia has changed in size. It all seems bigger
and all the islands has moved South East
13. Australia has moved a lot North West. Australian had much more vegetation, the desert where much smaller and concentrated in the middle of the country. Australian where also surrounded by a huge ocean on all sides and was not even close to Papua New Guinea.
14. New Zealand has moved South(used to be just North East of
Australia and much closer than now)
15. Tasmania has grown in size(i think, can't ever remember seeing it
there before)
16. The Antartica has grown and seems to be closer to South America.
and this is my memories of the world layout.
[edit on 19-3-2010 by Snowi]
1. South America has moved east and are now closer to Africa
2. Cuba, Bahamas.. has moved North West
3. Hudson Bay has grown in size and is now a huge ocean
4. Greenland is closer to Canada
5. Iceland is bigger
6. Denmark moved East and is now closer to sweden
7. England has moved south and is now very close to France
8. Sicilia has grown in size and has moved east and is now only
3 kilometer from the mainland Italy (fascinating)
9. Africa has grown and moved North(Look at the "Strait of Gibraltar"
how narrow it is now)
10. Madagascar has move North
11. Japan has moved North
12. The whole South East Asia has changed in size. It all seems bigger
and all the islands has moved South East
13. Australia has moved a lot North West. Australian had much more vegetation, the desert where much smaller and concentrated in the middle of the country. Australian where also surrounded by a huge ocean on all sides and was not even close to Papua New Guinea.
14. New Zealand has moved South(used to be just North East of
Australia and much closer than now)
15. Tasmania has grown in size(i think, can't ever remember seeing it
there before)
16. The Antartica has grown and seems to be closer to South America.
and this is my memories of the world layout.
[edit on 19-3-2010 by Snowi]
why are you all still going on about this. I mean really even if there is a time rift. your stuck here now. move on quit jabbering about uneventful
stuff.
It's like this I cannot discount you. I honesttly can't but what does continuing over it do. what is to gain?.
It's like this I cannot discount you. I honesttly can't but what does continuing over it do. what is to gain?.
u guys are still on this thread PLEASE
dont u guys find weird that this "movement" happened just with the appearance of GPS system
well ...
dont u guys find weird that this "movement" happened just with the appearance of GPS system
well ...
So... I've been following this thread off and on. I've repeatedly looked at various map projections of Australia and New Zealand and everything
seems to look as I remember. At least in that area of the world. But just now tooling around on Google Earth (I've taken to looking for landmarks
that might be out of place since I started keeping up with this thread), I took a look at Sicily and I can't believe it's so close to Italy. I've
looked at maps of Sicily on a number of occasions because I'm a fan of the movie "Patton". As you may recall, Patton takes Messina ahead of
Montgomery. Messina is at the northeastern tip of Sicily. I swear Sicily was more to the west with more water between Sicily and Italy. Now it sems
you could throw a stone from Messina to the Italian mainland. WTF?
[edit on 3/19/2010 by this_is_who_we_are]
[edit on 3/19/2010 by this_is_who_we_are]
Count me in as another who remembers Australia and NZ differently than where our maps now have them located. I, too, have always located NZ to the NE
of Australia. And I remember Papua New Giunea closer to the Philippines and further away from Australia. I am a former travel agent with many years of
experience, and trained in travel school in which we were required to have a thorough knowledge of worldwide geography and airport codes in order to
graduate. The world map we have now is noticably different in this area of the earth than what I studied from 18 years ago. Australia was more
isolated and not nearly as close to Indonesia and PNG. I am not of the belief that these land masses have moved. But I do feel that the energy
vibrations on the planet have increased dramatically, and our consciousness may be shifting with parallel timelines along with our choices and in our
dream states. Just my two cents worth.
BTW, I lost my belongings in Katrina, and I no longer have those travel maps to include in a post in this message.
BTW, I lost my belongings in Katrina, and I no longer have those travel maps to include in a post in this message.
Not sure if this has been asked, but in the alternative reality in which NZ is to the NW of Australia, where was Lord of the Rings filmed? Presumably
not in the tropical rainforests of NZ? Or did your version not feature any heavily glaciated mountains?
Also be interesting to know your tectonic history. Presumably Australia and India are not connected? Is your Pacific expanding or contracting?
I know the question of flora and fauna, as well as arrival of humans, has been raised before (and not as yet answered)
Surely, amongst all these people with such excellent knowledge of how maps looked, there must be someone with just one little bit of additional historical, biological or geological info that might help verify your story?
Also be interesting to know your tectonic history. Presumably Australia and India are not connected? Is your Pacific expanding or contracting?
I know the question of flora and fauna, as well as arrival of humans, has been raised before (and not as yet answered)
Surely, amongst all these people with such excellent knowledge of how maps looked, there must be someone with just one little bit of additional historical, biological or geological info that might help verify your story?
the responses i give are just my opinions
you are judging your expectations of the width of the south atlantic on the width of the north atlantic [ esp the distance from the UK to new york ]
you are just plain wrong
the narroest point of the english cannel has always been 22 miles
- in clear waether it has always been possible to see france from the high points of the dover cliffs [ esp at night since the beginning of the 20th century when calais introduced electric lighting and street lights
how old are you ? if your view that sicily was in a different place were formed prior to WWII i have no rebutall - but if they were formed post WWII - then please examine the campaign maps and narratives of operation husky , and expecially operation baytown
the straights of messinna were only 3km wide in 1943
9. Africa has grown and moved North(Look at the "Strait of Gibraltar"
how narrow it is now)
again - look at the WWII histories - the germans had observation posts in mainland spain that enabled them to monitor ALL surface ships travelling through the straights - till alied diplomatic pressure on spain forced them to remove them
also - have jordan and isreal shrunk ?
a difference in scale and projection ?
[edit on 22-3-2010 by ignorant_ape]
1. South America has moved east and are now closer to Africa
you are judging your expectations of the width of the south atlantic on the width of the north atlantic [ esp the distance from the UK to new york ]
7. England has moved south and is now very close to France
you are just plain wrong
the narroest point of the english cannel has always been 22 miles
- in clear waether it has always been possible to see france from the high points of the dover cliffs [ esp at night since the beginning of the 20th century when calais introduced electric lighting and street lights
8. Sicilia has grown in size and has moved east and is now only
3 kilometer from the mainland Italy (fascinating)
how old are you ? if your view that sicily was in a different place were formed prior to WWII i have no rebutall - but if they were formed post WWII - then please examine the campaign maps and narratives of operation husky , and expecially operation baytown
the straights of messinna were only 3km wide in 1943
9. Africa has grown and moved North(Look at the "Strait of Gibraltar"
how narrow it is now)
again - look at the WWII histories - the germans had observation posts in mainland spain that enabled them to monitor ALL surface ships travelling through the straights - till alied diplomatic pressure on spain forced them to remove them
also - have jordan and isreal shrunk ?
16. The Antartica has grown and seems to be closer to South America
a difference in scale and projection ?
[edit on 22-3-2010 by ignorant_ape]
This has got to be the most ridiculous thread posted on ATS. What is your point ? Having posted once already, I left you to your delusions. But, I see
the responses are still being posted, so I will post one more reply. Do yourself a huge favor and Google world maps for 1910. I am assuming you are
not over 100 years old ? New Zealand is in the same location in 1910 as it is today. Now, check every 10 years since 1910. What do you see ? Give it a
break ! You are taking up space that could be used for topics more productive than this rubbish.
AAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGGG
I just want to shout!
People have tried to explain but you choose not read it or not to pay attention.
You can drag up all the old maps you like it will prove nothing.
IF a person has changed timelines or dimensions into THIS reality they are saying that in THEIR reality the map looked different.
Of course all your maps will prove that nothing has changed, if however YOU suddenly found yourself in a DIFFERENT reality then the maps would not be the same as in THIS reality.
Try to imagine it as 2 TOTALLY different worlds, only instead of moving from one to another via a spaceship you slip through a crack in time or space, the maps on both sides will reflect the reality of that world.
And if you didn't go through the crack on purpose then you would be very confused.
Maybe it is faulty memory in some cases, bad early maps in others, but who's to say that it's totally impossible for some to be cases of changed reality?
Certainly not you.
PQ
I just want to shout!
People have tried to explain but you choose not read it or not to pay attention.
You can drag up all the old maps you like it will prove nothing.
IF a person has changed timelines or dimensions into THIS reality they are saying that in THEIR reality the map looked different.
Of course all your maps will prove that nothing has changed, if however YOU suddenly found yourself in a DIFFERENT reality then the maps would not be the same as in THIS reality.
Try to imagine it as 2 TOTALLY different worlds, only instead of moving from one to another via a spaceship you slip through a crack in time or space, the maps on both sides will reflect the reality of that world.
And if you didn't go through the crack on purpose then you would be very confused.
Maybe it is faulty memory in some cases, bad early maps in others, but who's to say that it's totally impossible for some to be cases of changed reality?
Certainly not you.
PQ
Originally posted by okbmd
This has got to be the most ridiculous thread posted on ATS.
No it's not
What is your point ?
To shed a light on something very special that has happen to me and that i do not understand.
Having posted once already, I left you to your delusions.
For you it is a delusions for me it's reality
But, I see the responses are still being posted, so I will post one more reply.
No plz...stay away...you are quite mad i think...you do not understand a word of what we are saying.
Do yourself a huge favor and Google world maps for 1910. I am assuming you are not over 100 years old ?
Why would i google world maps for 1910? Have they changed for you to? :-) By the way...I'm 36.
New Zealand is in the same location in 1910 as it is today.
In this Timeline yes, but not in my Timeline(or whatever it is)
Now, check every 10 years since 1910. What do you see ?
I see a map
Give it a break ! You are taking up space that could be used for topics more productive than this rubbish.
IDIOT
reply to post by Snowi
Maybe try and argue a point without the name calling as it is pretty much an unintelligent comeback from someone who can’t think of an intelligent one.
Ummmm again you are mistaking an intelligent comeback for an unintelligent one.
This thread is seriously ridiculous and should be closed as soon as possible in my opinoon because there is no proof of what the OP is claiming and also because it's threads like these which are the reason that people get ridiculed for being on these types of sites.
Someone show me some genuine proof of what the OP has said and then I will change my opinion.
[edit on 22-3-2010 by Rising Against]
Give it a break ! You are taking up space that could be used for topics more productive than this rubbish.
IDIOT
Maybe try and argue a point without the name calling as it is pretty much an unintelligent comeback from someone who can’t think of an intelligent one.
Now, check every 10 years since 1910. What do you see ?
I see a map
Ummmm again you are mistaking an intelligent comeback for an unintelligent one.
This thread is seriously ridiculous and should be closed as soon as possible in my opinoon because there is no proof of what the OP is claiming and also because it's threads like these which are the reason that people get ridiculed for being on these types of sites.
Someone show me some genuine proof of what the OP has said and then I will change my opinion.
[edit on 22-3-2010 by Rising Against]
As someone who believes that Australia and New Zealand were in different position than they are now, I would like to say this is not a ridiculous
thread it is one that judging by the number of people who have experienced the same thing is worthy of examination.
However it is no good looking at old maps or even history books as they will reflect the current maps. The only things that appeared to have changed is peoples memories.
So their is no point in asking for evidence because no one can supply it. There is also no point in asking if the climate was different because it does not necessarily follow that the climate will have been different by a lot in another time line, it may have been for some and not for others.
I thought ATS was supposed to be opened to new ideas. If people can believe in ufo's and god and time travel why not time lines or other dimensions. Why disbelieve because so many have claimed to have different memories. Perhaps the questions should be asked is this a fairly new development or are more people now more aware of time changes and are they now more open to esp etc.
However it is no good looking at old maps or even history books as they will reflect the current maps. The only things that appeared to have changed is peoples memories.
So their is no point in asking for evidence because no one can supply it. There is also no point in asking if the climate was different because it does not necessarily follow that the climate will have been different by a lot in another time line, it may have been for some and not for others.
I thought ATS was supposed to be opened to new ideas. If people can believe in ufo's and god and time travel why not time lines or other dimensions. Why disbelieve because so many have claimed to have different memories. Perhaps the questions should be asked is this a fairly new development or are more people now more aware of time changes and are they now more open to esp etc.
this is so cool, really guys, to wake up one day and see the continents *change* (not literally)
and now it's Sicilia, and Italy,
Sicilia used to be smaller and not so freaking close, i know that for a fact, one of my teacher's moved to Italy summer of 2009, i remember staring at google earth for a LONG time
no way Sicilia was that big
and now it's Sicilia, and Italy,
Sicilia used to be smaller and not so freaking close, i know that for a fact, one of my teacher's moved to Italy summer of 2009, i remember staring at google earth for a LONG time
no way Sicilia was that big
reply to post by PennyQ
and it has been pointed out that yopu cannot play musical chairs with islands and continents and expect nothing else to change as a result
take the latest claimant , who alleges that they " remember " the UK ` being far further north `
lets assume ` far further north = 3 times the distance shal we ?
ok - thats 66 miles dover to calais
shal wee look at the implications ?
no one would have heard of captain webb - as the chanell is now effectivly unswimable
there would be no channel tunnel as it would be unnecconomical
the course of WWII would have been vastly different as the german ME109 would not have been capable of escorting bombers over london - or attacking anything but a few tartgets
the hi speed " hoverspeed " service would not have been ecconomical to run
the much wider english channel would now funnel part of the gulf stream into the north sea - affecting the climate of denmark , norway and souther sweeden
wheat cultivation would no longer be posible in the vale of york
we probally would not revere bleriot , as his plane would never have made it across the greater distance -
see how supposedly small changes - have a massive ipmact ?
next - the people who claim that islands are supposedly larger or smaller in thier delusion ... er sorry world
again - to change the size requires one of 2 mechanisms - a change in sea level or a gheological uplift or slump
either mechanism produces a VASTLY different coast line - just look at any global warming sea level predictor
funny how these people dont think the coastyline is a radically different shape
they just think that it should be magically bigger or smaller
i have nothing against the claim that thier are multiple dimensions / a multiverse
i do however have the sense to understand that you cannot simply change one parameter and no others from one dimesion to the next
and it has been pointed out that yopu cannot play musical chairs with islands and continents and expect nothing else to change as a result
take the latest claimant , who alleges that they " remember " the UK ` being far further north `
lets assume ` far further north = 3 times the distance shal we ?
ok - thats 66 miles dover to calais
shal wee look at the implications ?
no one would have heard of captain webb - as the chanell is now effectivly unswimable
there would be no channel tunnel as it would be unnecconomical
the course of WWII would have been vastly different as the german ME109 would not have been capable of escorting bombers over london - or attacking anything but a few tartgets
the hi speed " hoverspeed " service would not have been ecconomical to run
the much wider english channel would now funnel part of the gulf stream into the north sea - affecting the climate of denmark , norway and souther sweeden
wheat cultivation would no longer be posible in the vale of york
we probally would not revere bleriot , as his plane would never have made it across the greater distance -
see how supposedly small changes - have a massive ipmact ?
next - the people who claim that islands are supposedly larger or smaller in thier delusion ... er sorry world
again - to change the size requires one of 2 mechanisms - a change in sea level or a gheological uplift or slump
either mechanism produces a VASTLY different coast line - just look at any global warming sea level predictor
funny how these people dont think the coastyline is a radically different shape
they just think that it should be magically bigger or smaller
i have nothing against the claim that thier are multiple dimensions / a multiverse
i do however have the sense to understand that you cannot simply change one parameter and no others from one dimesion to the next
All these people from a variety of different timelines in which the geological history of the planet was totally different and yet every single other
thing exactly the same (though no-one yet explained how they had tropical glaciers ) ..... and yet no-one from any timeline in which Man Utd play
in a blue and white strip, WWII started in June 1939 or marathon bars were never renamed as snickers. Odd that.
Sure this silly thread gets 1000 answers at the end of the world stupidity circle.
I can't believe it, really. How ill is this? At least - is this the inner sense of ATS, the only true thread? That shows on what "level" we are as members on this site? I am ashamed!
MASTER EXAMPLE THREAD OF IGNORANCE? - "I am always right!"
[edit on 24-3-2010 by cushycrux]
I can't believe it, really. How ill is this? At least - is this the inner sense of ATS, the only true thread? That shows on what "level" we are as members on this site? I am ashamed!
MASTER EXAMPLE THREAD OF IGNORANCE? - "I am always right!"
[edit on 24-3-2010 by cushycrux]
reply to post by cushycrux
You obviously don't understand or haven't read the thread or related threads either. Trying to explain it after it's been told over and over again on this thread alone is useless.
Ultimate Ignorance, not reading the thread
You obviously don't understand or haven't read the thread or related threads either. Trying to explain it after it's been told over and over again on this thread alone is useless.
Ultimate Ignorance, not reading the thread
Originally posted by FoxStriker
reply to post by cushycrux
You obviously don't understand or haven't read the thread or related threads either. Trying to explain it after it's been told over and over again on this thread alone is useless.
Ultimate Ignorance, not reading the thread
OK - You are right.
The real map:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f7712e30f7b9.jpg[/atsimg]
[edit on 24-3-2010 by cushycrux]
[edit on 24-3-2010 by cushycrux]
reply to post by ignorant_ape
This is the best actual argument against this. The fact that it's, in all likelihood, outright impossible for the continents to have been in any different arrangement and producing a mostly identical world is direct proof that this is unlikely.
The fact that it's probably just memory issues is important too, but it's not particularly convincing to the people who think something out of the ordinary has happened.
This is the best actual argument against this. The fact that it's, in all likelihood, outright impossible for the continents to have been in any different arrangement and producing a mostly identical world is direct proof that this is unlikely.
The fact that it's probably just memory issues is important too, but it's not particularly convincing to the people who think something out of the ordinary has happened.
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