Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

Here's a link to one of the body's found in the Pentagon wreckage:

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

I'm sure if you poke around they have a half-dozen more.

Originally posted by bowlbyville

Here's a link to one of the body's found in the Pentagon wreckage:

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

I'm sure if you poke around they have a half-dozen more.

NOT A PASSENGER BODY!!!!!!

Am I the only one that can read what Dereks actually wrote? He says there are pictures of "PASSENGER'S BODIES" as well as pictures of "AIRPLANE SEATS."

Your link is not to a picture of PASSENGER BODIES either. These same pics keep getting passed around and have so far been used in about 20 different types of discussions here and each time, everyone thinks they are posting it for the first time. They have been posted for the first time on the last 3 pages of this thread.

Let me be clear...

The claim is pictures of PASSENGER BODIES. If you have those, great.

Originally posted by Lillydale
reply to post by dereks

 

So Dereks, ready to show us those pictures you claim that link has or admit you lied? Either one will do just fine. It is important because if the pictures are really there, that would change my mind on many things about 9/11 and you might even get me to think about the entire thing differently.

If those pictures are not there, you blatantly lied to protect the OS and that concerns me even more.

Just name which pics are the right ones or link them or tell me how far down the page to scroll. Do not say I have not looked, I HAVE. I have not seen what you claim is there. If it is there, you might have a new partner in your fight against people not believing the OS.

Anytime now.

[edit on 2/10/10 by Lillydale]

After 2 more accusations by one person that another lied, I see no value in continuin g to waste time in this thread. It has turned into an infantile,
"You're a truther so you must be lying."-"
No you're an OS believer, you're the lier."exchange of insults. No substance, no facts. Just a bunch of whiny 5 year olds going "I know you are but what am I." The mods must hsve dozed off at page 2. Challenging conclusions and theories is a major part of the scientific method. Attacking the theorist is not.
Based on the facts and my education and experience, I happen to fall on the side of those challenging the OS. To do so doesn't mean that I must rant and rave and accuse those on the other side of craven lying.

Originally posted by bowlbyville
One quick question - Picture #6 (the one with the small gaping hole) shows a brick building - I didn't think the Pentagon was built from brick?

This will need to be checked further, but I recall hearing the Pentagon was built originally to have only 3 wings: A, B, C. They may have built those first three out of bricks, etc. Then the later added D and E wings were stronger.

The circular hole (the one with the no parking sign) is in the centermost section of the middle wing.
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Originally posted by 4nsicphd
After 2 more accusations by one person that another lied, I see no value in continuin g to waste time in this thread. It has turned into an infantile,
"You're a truther so you must be lying."-"
No you're an OS believer, you're the lier."exchange of insults. No substance, no facts. Just a bunch of whiny 5 year olds going "I know you are but what am I." The mods must hsve dozed off at page 2. Challenging conclusions and theories is a major part of the scientific method. Attacking the theorist is not.
Based on the facts and my education and experience, I happen to fall on the side of those challenging the OS. To do so doesn't mean that I must rant and rave and accuse those on the other side of craven lying.

Whatever gets you to sleep at night. If you read Dereks post and check his link you will see that it is a blatant lie. Am I wrong for calling a lie a lie? Boo hoo if you think there are too many people using that word around here but I will not entertain blatant, easily checked LIES just in order to make people like you feel comfortable.

With all your education and experience, your entire post in one long off topic rant and insult. Just because you spread it out and used nicer words does not change that actual total of your words. Good job in taking the time to waste a post insulting people like me and then whining about how this discussion is no good because it is nothing but insults. Bravo!

Edit to add: Actually Dereks calls someone a liar on every single page he posts on, ie "Another truther lie" and "Yet another lie truthers tell" and so on. He has called someone a liar in about 1 out of 3 of his posts. I caught him in a lie and you think I should let it go because too many people said "liar" already for you to like?

ATS has rules about purposely posting things you know are not true.

Dereks has done this unless he can show me how I am wrong. He has already given up one chance to prove me wrong. What conclusion should I come to? Why should I let it go?

[edit on 2/10/10 by Lillydale]

I was quite surprised that even one body was (somewhat) whole...I would have gone with the other guy who thought that the force/impact would have obliterated everyone...of course, the hijackers did force everyone to the back of the plane so perhaps one body made it through?

Originally posted by bowlbyville

I was quite surprised that even one body was (somewhat) whole...I would have gone with the other guy who thought that the force/impact would have obliterated everyone...of course, the hijackers did force everyone to the back of the plane so perhaps one body made it through?

You are aware that people working in the Pentagon died from the explosion that day aren't you?

Originally posted by Lillydale
Response to "Originally posted by 4nsicphd"

... If you read Dereks post and check his link you will see that it is a blatant lie. Am I wrong for calling a lie a lie?

I appreciate you stepping up and calling things as they are

I am honestly really thankful that Dereks was on my ignore list long before this thread was made. He's one of the very few people who I think may actually be a hired dis-info agent - constantly challenging things with fluff and utter nonsense, never having the "proof" he goes on about, etc.

Now that you reminded me...yes...but frankly, I'd forgotten all about the folks inside the Pentagon...thanks for the reminder.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by bowlbyville

I was quite surprised that even one body was (somewhat) whole...I would have gone with the other guy who thought that the force/impact would have obliterated everyone...of course, the hijackers did force everyone to the back of the plane so perhaps one body made it through?

You are aware that people working in the Pentagon died from the explosion that day aren't you?

Originally posted by bowlbyville

Now that you reminded me...yes...but frankly, I'd forgotten all about the folks inside the Pentagon...thanks for the reminder.

It is an important thing to think about when looking at pictures of bodies. There are people that want you to see bodies and assume that you have seen proof of the poor dead passengers. This is not the case. You were shown pictures of bodies and not one of these OS pushers can tell you it was the body of someone on that plane.

Originally posted by Lillydale
This is not the case. You were shown pictures of bodies and not one of these OS pushers can tell you it was the body of someone on that plane.

Nor can any silly conspiracy theorist say it was not.... so now you concede that it was a plane that hit the Pentagon! Also funny how the conspiracy ignore the eyewitness testimony of bodies found strapped to seats.... yet in other cases they insist eyewitness testimony must be right....

reply to post by dereks


Dereks, just show me what I asked for or admit you are lying about it. I am not responding to any other trash you have to say to me. Attack me all you like but anyone that can read sees that you have ignored my request several times only to reply to something unrelated? That is a cowardly cop-out if I ever saw one.

PROVE ME WRONG

or

ADMIT YOU LIED.

That is all I want from you and that is all I really care to hear from you.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Lillydale
You offered a link and claimed it contained pictures of PASSENGER bodies

No one has yet proved that they were not passenger bodies - just another truther lie!

I just got this gem in a thread about the moon landings being faked and that having to do with 9/11 and thought it was more appropriate here so I will reply to it here.

No one has proven they were passenger bodies either but you claimed they were. Are you ready to admit that you were wrong in doing so?

reply to post by Lillydale

Wait a second,those pictured bodies are clearly underneath building debris not strapped into seats.Sometimes common sense is enough,especially when what is being demanded is not conviction(yet)just actual unbiased examination before all the witnesses die of old age.

reply to post by trueforger


I know but I thought we should give Dereks the benefit of the doubt. If you check the thread about the moon landing being a backdoor into 9/11 and see what Dereks has to say about that atmosphere, you will see he needs a few handicap points here.

They are obviously under building rubble but just for him, that does not prove they did not magically get out of the plane and get into the building before the collision happened. So there is no solid proof of that so ok.

My concern is the fact that he insisted they were indeed the bodies of passengers. Am I the only one that finds it odd that someone would defend a story they themselves have to lie about in order to convince others of?

Seriously, why the heck would you believe something if you needed to lie about it to convince anyone else? Oh that's right, there is another thread where that is happening heavily (and admittedly) so maybe that is the nature of ATS.

I would be thrilled if Dereks would just pop in and tell us all we are looking at the wrong pictures and then just point out the ones we should have been looking at but his comment above from the moon landing thread leaves me with much doubt.

edit to add link the thread in question for anyone curious backdoor to...

[edit on 2/10/10 by Lillydale]

"Dreck" is Yiddish,Hmmmmmmm.
And means,what???
Think I'm gonna do the ignore thing.
On behalf of those poor poor burned men with their flexed wrists obviously in agony burned alive,in the memory of my late grandfather a firechief who regularly woke screaming from PTSD(no actual 9-11 connection except the pain thing)in empathy with all the thousands of burns I get and know the feeling,I curse all those involved in this horrible evil plot,all co-conspiritors,even trolls.I throw my boot at you.

9 eleven 11 was the sloppiest, most wreckless False Flag operation I have ever seen in my entire life.

The sad part is most believe the official story about Al Qaeda , Taliban, Osama, Saddam....
yadda yadda !!!!!!!! the rabid rabbi rabbit said.

This is just about as sad as the actual event

There were witnesses to the plane hitting the building. There are also pictures of the plane engine being taken away.

reply to post by Lillydale

NOT A PASSENGER BODY!!!!!!

How do you know? What makes you so sure?

Here is adiagram showing the locations where the bodies were found. I assume the yellow ones are Pentagon workers and the blue ones are passengers. Notice how most of the passenger remains are outside the building?

[edit on 10/2/2010 by rnaa]