Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

reply to post by prof-rabbit

There are some reasonably high resolution pictures of the area surrounding the impact site, I did not see a pile of bodies.

And? So? What exactly do you expect to see?

Furthermore, I am surprised that the rather gruesome photo of an otherwise unidentified body was allowed to be published. If it was my family member, I would have fought like hell to prevent that situation. I imagine others have as well.

I know it is evidence. Evidence can be sealed.

reply to post by prof-rabbit


I never said any of that.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by aristocrat2

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
Food for thought...

If four airplanes were hijacked on 9/11, but one of the four wasn't really a hijack/crash scenario - were the other three?

who benefitted by the events of 9/11? Are we having a "war on terror" because of these faked events?

Quite possibly.

The "Truther" movement generally suffers from a handful of silly imbecile assumptions:-

1. That these were traitors who did this, yet at the same time, that they were patriotic enough to use ONLY all-American kit.
2. That those who did this sat down and decided that they would only use either all missiles or all aeroplanes and not a combination.
3. That nothing went wrong for them whatsoever.
4. That the US Government is the ONLY other group with means, motive and opportunity.
5. That the conspirators decided to include the maximum number of people in it rather than the minimum despite this making no sense at all.
6. That the super-rich people involved were driven by a greed and that they were prepared to gamble everything they had, including a trip to the electric chair on making even more money, even though it would be a meagre fractional increase in their wealth.
7. That everything that Bush and the Government said or say was/is totally false as are the photos, allowing one to identify the truth by simply putting "not" into each one of their sentence.

NONE OF THESE ASSUMPTIONS MAKE THE SLIGHTEST SHRED OF SENSE AND TOTALLY DISCREDIT ANY ATTEMPT TO REACH THE TRUTH.

Looks like you got your definition for "truther" in the same place you get your "facts" on 9/11

I don't generally label myself into a group, but, because my purpose here is to analyze pictures and show that it is IMPOSSIBLE for such a large plane to fit into a tiny hole (while dissolving on contact, and exploding outward), I suppose I'm a "truther". Ironic that nearly every one of you people opposed to the further study of factual information seems to prejudge us "truthers" as imbeciles, and worse. Also interesting that you base your insults on your above list of things that have NOTHING to do with this thread.

Of course you think we're imbiciles if you judge us on some ridiculous list of lies. Maybe you should stop and look at the pictures on Page 1, rather than flagrantly reacting to the thread title.

Originally posted by rnaa
reply to post by Lillydale

 

You are reading too much into my question. Someone implied that this was the photo of a passenger. You are adamant that it isn't.

I can't tell one way or the other.

I just want to know how you can be so sure.

I did not read too much into it, I answered. I can be so sure because it would be really hard for them to be bodies from a plane that never crashed there. Until someone can prove that to me, there is no reason to believe they would find airline passengers from any plane inside that building. There is every reason to expect people inside to have been killed by the explosion.

I am not sure how you wanted me to answer your question but I am real sorry I did not go that way.

I find it odd you would even take the time to bother when this very thread is being stalked by a blatant liar who refuses to admit what is wrong with posting lies.

Originally posted by rnaa
And? So? What exactly do you expect to see?

Furthermore, I am surprised that the rather gruesome photo of an otherwise unidentified body was allowed to be published. If it was my family member, I would have fought like hell to prevent that situation. I imagine others have as well.

I know it is evidence. Evidence can be sealed.

Evidence of what? Evidence that you believe people can be found that were inside a plane that was turned to dust? Please explain to us all which laws of physics would allow this plane to be completely pulverized along with everything inside of it - save 3 human bodies. How did 3 bodies not get pulverized along with the plane they were riding in and everything else that was inside with them?

Please explain this to me.

You also might want to recheck derek's actual claim. He said they are picture of passenger bodies AS WELL AS PICTURES OF SEATS.

There are no pictures of seats. So...if part A was a lie and part B was a lie...what do you suppose the chances that A + B = TRUE?

Originally posted by Lillydale
Evidence that you believe people can be found that were inside a plane that was turned to dust?

Please show us the official report that claimed the plane was turned to dust.

He said they are picture of passenger bodies AS WELL AS PICTURES OF SEATS.

Please show us all where I mentioned pictures of passengers or seats

[edit on 11/2/10 by dereks]

Originally posted by dereks

Please show us the official report that claimed the plane was turned to dust.

Please show me the pictures you claimed to have a link to (passenger bodies, seats.)

Please show us all where I mentioned pictures of passengers or seats

seats seen
www.usatoday.com...
"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."

body parts, pictures of and where they were found
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

[edit on 2/11/10 by Lillydale]

Originally posted by dereks


Please show us all where I mentioned pictures of passengers or seats

[edit on 11/2/10 by dereks]

...and again here...

so once again, just for a "truther" ,body parts, pictures of and where they were found www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

You can start here
if you like.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by downisreallyup
The Rolls Royce engines for a 747 weight between 46,000 pounds and 50,100 pounds.

More "truther" quality research there, a RB211 Rolls Royce engine for a 747 weighs between 9470 and 9874 pounds
en.wikipedia.org...

NO SEAT REMNANTS, no BODY PARTS, no MAJOR ENGINE PARTS, no Flight Data Recorder

and again we have a truther telling lies....

seats seen
www.usatoday.com...
"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."

body parts, pictures of and where they were found
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

major 757 engine parts
www.aerospaceweb.org...

Flight 77 FDR data
forums.randi.org...
so it was found....

why do some "truthers" lie so much, when their lies are so easily shown?

And here is the original post.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by dereks

Please show us the official report that claimed the plane was turned to dust.

Please show me the pictures you claimed to have a link to (passenger bodies, seats.)

Please show us all where I mentioned pictures of passengers or seats

seats seen
www.usatoday.com...
"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."

body parts, pictures of and where they were found
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

[edit on 2/11/10 by Lillydale]

I never mentioned pictures of seats there....

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by downisreallyup
The Rolls Royce engines for a 747 weight between 46,000 pounds and 50,100 pounds.

More "truther" quality research there, a RB211 Rolls Royce engine for a 747 weighs between 9470 and 9874 pounds
en.wikipedia.org...

NO SEAT REMNANTS, no BODY PARTS, no MAJOR ENGINE PARTS, no Flight Data Recorder

and again we have a truther telling lies....

seats seen
www.usatoday.com...
"When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."

body parts, pictures of and where they were found
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

major 757 engine parts
www.aerospaceweb.org...

Flight 77 FDR data
forums.randi.org...
so it was found....

why do some "truthers" lie so much, when their lies are so easily shown?

And here is the original post.

So where did I mention pictures of seats there?

Originally posted by dereks

Where are those body parts and seats again?

See, what did I say - a "truther" who refuses to visit a non conspiracy website as he knows it will destroy his silly conspiracy theory

so once again, just for a "truther" ,body parts, pictures of and where they were found
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

but we all know that you will not go there, as you do not want your silly conspiracy theory fantasy destroyed!

Can you READ THIS DEREKS? I asked you where those body parts were and we both know I was talking about passengers as you were talking about passengers. Waiting 5 pages and hoping people forget the context is pretty cowardly. You have been dodging this issue for 24 hours and several pages and now you decide to address it through obfuscation?

This means you now need to admit that there are not pictures of any passenger anythings and no pictures of seats.

Again if you are confused, read above. I specifically asked you where the pictures of (passenger) body parts and seats were and you replied by re-posting that same link.

Originally posted by dereks
So where did I mention pictures of seats there?

LOL, really? This is your game. Whatever. So you admit there ARE NO PICTURES OF PASSENGER BODY PARTS OR PICTURES OF SEATS THEN?

This is a simple YES OR NO.

Originally posted by Lillydale
This means you now need to admit that there are not pictures of any passenger anythings and no pictures of seats.

Typical truther, having to make things up.

Where did I claim there were pictures of seats?

I showed you a link to pictures of body parts, and a drawing where all the body parts in the Pentagon were found. No one here knows if they were passengers or Pentagon staff. But as this destroys the silly "truther" conspiracy theory that flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, so you do anything to try and not admit your silly conspiracy theory is destroyed!

As to the seat, I showed a link to where a first responder saw a body in the seat, but you ignore that also as it totally destroys your silly conspiracy theory!

Now, regarding the topic at hand...

...and attempting to get the conversation back on track (after it has been derailed by above mentioned provocateur), it is very clear that no photos of seats or bodies of passengers have been found at either the Pentagon or in Shanksville. It is completely ridiculous to suggest that aircraft can vaporize such that all recognizable seats and body parts are rendered invisible. When taking all the photographs that WERE put onto the net, it would have been the very BEST photograph to show a row or two of 757 airline seats, even if all that was left was the metal frame and springs.

There are roughly 180 seats in a 757-200 and you would think that out of all those seats, there would be at least one, or maybe 10 that survived enough to be recognizable. If indeed a 757 crashed into the Pentagon, I'm certain that some of them flew forward and landed deep in the interior of the building. Also, in Shanksville you would expect to see even more seats all over the place.

The idea that the entire plane flew into the earth and was just swallowed up whole, leaving no single trace of wreckage anywhere... well, that is so preposterous that anyone who even gives a thought of believing that story needs to not only have their head examined, but they probably need to be locked away so they don't hurt themselves or others!




[edit on 11-2-2010 by downisreallyup]

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Lillydale
This means you now need to admit that there are not pictures of any passenger anythings and no pictures of seats.

Typical truther, having to make things up.

Where did I claim there were pictures of seats?

Right after I asked you where they were. You apparently can not read. I asked where the pics of seats and passenger bodies were and you said "HERE!" with your link. They were not there. I made nothing up but so far you have.

I showed you a link to pictures of body parts, and a drawing where all the body parts in the Pentagon were found. No one here knows if they were passengers or Pentagon staff. But as this destroys the silly "truther" conspiracy theory that flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, so you do anything to try and not admit your silly conspiracy theory is destroyed!

How do three bodies prove AA77 crashed into the Pentagon? That is the stupidest leap of logic I have seen in a long time so enjoy that thought process because anything that makes you that stupid must feel realllllly good.

You showed a link to bodies that you did indeed claim were the bodies of passengers. I offered you the links to go back and read your own words as well as posted your own words.

You are quite simply just a liar. Admit that there are no pictures of passenger bodies and seats now. Why is that so hard for you?

As to the seat, I showed a link to where a first responder saw a body in the seat, but you ignore that also as it totally destroys your silly conspiracy theory!

Never ignored it, in fact I replied directly to it. You are really bad at this. These kinds of lies only work in spoken conversation, not when people can go back and read.

I am sorry you have to lie to hold your fairy tale up. You would think that would make you think twice but I guess not. I am also sorry you cannot just admit there are no pictures of passenger bodies or seats. I am sorry you suffer from these things but alas, I cannot help you with your personal issue.

The truth of what was said is here in print and anyone reading the first post and subsequent posts sees exactly what you said. I would have hoped you would be an adult and just stand by your word instead of playing games for all this time.

I am not looking to play games. You have proven yourself a liar and that can be used to measure anything else you have to say.

Originally posted by downisreallyup
It is completely ridiculous to suggest that aircraft can vaporize such that all recognizable seats and body parts are rendered invisible.

Here once again we have a truther refusing to admit a first responder saw a body strapped into a seat - because it destroys their silly conspiracy theory!