FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

Hell, why would anyone die over child pornography?

In 3rd world nations there were never any laws related to when people can marry and have sex.

I would never kill myself unless I would die in a more horrible way if I lived.



The military charges are arguable. However, I don't think that an average guy with a family would look into child porn.

By the sounds of the information found ALREADY in this thread, this is no doubt a coverup for something.

Based solely on the 97' incident and the link to militias, I would hazard to guess that our friend here might not have severed his ties to some group.

One would ask, why wait 10 years? Because 10 years ago the militias were anything but active as they were back in 97' and weren't anything like they are today. It seems business is picking up and my guess would be that they were trying to dig up some information.

It is hard to say but if Darius was involved in any hardcore militia activity, something they might not have had proof of or they were trying to dig information out of him about it, he might have chosen to fight back. If that was they case I'm sure at the first sign the agents made short work of him, staged the suicide, and were done with it.

I am truly interested in this topic now and grieve for Mr. Hill and his family. I will try my best to find something to help us get to the bottom of this.

There is only one completely unrefutable fact in this thread.......
A man cannot shoot himself five times and put the last one in his mouth. so the question is reguardless of the character profile of the victim or any would be crimes.
The crime could be how this played out from the minute the FBI entered the building. You ever watched a raid? It is well planned no calmly walking up the stairs and talking with the suspect.
It starts by clearing the house with weapons drawn, then room to room. they don't go in for a chat.
Just thought I'd point out the obvious or do they do it differently in the US. Here the surround the house break down the door early in the morning clearing the house as they go weapons drawn.
If this were a movie it would indeed come accross as a quiet assasination. Maybe the Agents on the ground are not part of the internet side of the FBI and underestimated the power of the web.
I truly don't know....... It seems very strange. The Police are jailed here for unauthorized use of firearms that includes the higher eschalons of our government.

as i was reading the story i was expecting it to say, no pornography was found, just frequent visits to a website known as AbovetopSecret.com but that is not what i found, its a sad story, its even more sad that the FBI can, get a warrant whenever they want because they pull the "child porn" card, but i see no evidence whatsoever that this man was an ATS member, until otherwise proved, this just remains a sad and harrowing tail to me

Has anyone looked into his work as a Judge of Elections on the Bucks County Board of Elections? It strikes me as odd that someone that was dishonorably discharged could get to such a position.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by davesidious
Occam's razor suggests, unfortunately, it's not a massive cover-up, just another tragic story involving a possible child pornographer.

A child pornographer who committed suicide in front of a team of FBI agents who then shot him six times.

Or shot him six times BEFORE he committed suicide.

Duuuuuhhhhhh... Occam's Razor needs sharpening on this one.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 2/4/2010 by Doc Velocity]

if the guy pulled a gun to shoot himself, it could have all happened inside of 2 seconds.

he whips it out, raises it and gets shot at by agents with guns drawn while going for the suicide himself and succeeding.

small room, guns out everywhere and blazing.

ninjas don't attack one at a time in real life, they attack all at once and if the dude presented a fire arm, even to kill himself, the agents didn't know it and would have shot him under the threat that he was gonna use it on them.

another thing I'm pretty certain of is that for an "innocent" to be caught up in this is highly unlikely. But to have information hidden from public view in regards to ongoing investigations or operations is SMO these days.


Sometimes we need to accept that we really don't know the minds of others in the least and that anyone could be or at least has the potential to be a very evil person.

Originally posted by Armour For Victor
Heres a site with a bit more information.

www.leatherneck.com...

Its also being blogged.

Peace.
[edit] It's just the story no blogging, but it still has info.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Armour For Victor]

from the second story in the link:

The warrant also gave agents the right to take address books, diaries, notebooks and records regarding Internet accounts.

if he was still an active member, looks like they could easily be led here. actually, they could be reading this thread as we're all typing it up

Definitely an odd sounding story from what I've read and tragic for his family.

I think that getting a clear picture of what really happened will be difficult at best. The story from the FBI's side will be biased in their favor and the thoughts of people "investigating" this story will be biased in the opposite direction.

Myself, I wouldn't be shocked either way. Law enforcement covering up for this mans death or him taking his own life, either one seems plausible at this point. Someone else mentioned attempting to shoot himself and then pointing his weapon at the FBI agents .... could happen. Who knows, sadly it is likely that none of us will ever know for sure.

I do understand people coming to his defense, but all of the "I know" he wouldn't have done this, or "I know" he wouldn't have done that from people that have just heard of this man's name is a bit overboard. Unless I missed it, no one in this thread had deep personal involvement with him.

Investigate it as much as possible, yup, but I believe better answers will be found if people don't assume they know what happened.

Del

Hate to say this, and no one will ever know what really happened, but if the guy was into kids and was suddenly caught, who wouldn't kill themselves? Certainly never is the kind of thing you can read from people.
Abusers come from all walks of life. I mean if you're innocent you're going to get a lawyer and there really shouldn't be anything on your computer you can't explain, right? Which btw coming here and discussing conspiracy theories, probably won't even get you noticed by the feds. My god this is simply freedom of speech nothing more.
Yes I know, innoncent until proven guilty, and if you are innocent please cooperate with the police. Certainly looks better than a paranoid gun fight.

To the OP, Im trusting of no one, so can I play devils advocate and say.....

Imagine, if you will. The dead man has info powerfull enough to have him killed. As you said you now have info that he used ATS and might have passed info to others.

How do I know you are not an agent yourself, trying to find out if the deceased man has written or spoken to anyone here in ATS.

If you were and found the user name of the guy, this would give you access to his trusted friends etc.

Yes I know I have a mistrusting nature....but alas its who I am, and it has worked well for me in the past.

Respects

reply to post by captiva


yes yes
the OP does sound super urgent in their request

How does a guy this busy, with a wife and kids, running his own business, and remodeling his house have time for child pornography? Is he locking himself up in his home office?

Is he sending out pics of his own kids, or has he been to third world nations? It is starting to look like a convenient excuse that is easy to defend.

Originally posted by davec0021
Hate to say this, and no one will ever know what really happened, but if the guy was into kids and was suddenly caught, who wouldn't kill themselves? Certainly never is the kind of thing you can read from people.
Abusers come from all walks of life. I mean if you're innocent you're going to get a lawyer and there really shouldn't be anything on your computer you can't explain, right? Which btw coming here and discussing conspiracy theories, probably won't even get you noticed by the feds. My god this is simply freedom of speech nothing more.
Yes I know, innoncent until proven guilty, and if you are innocent please cooperate with the police. Certainly looks better than a paranoid gun fight.

This this and this. It's more likely he was into kiddies, Feds found out went to his house, they entered guns drawn, he pulled a gun and tried to shoot himself. Then the Feds shot him too.

I feel sorry for his daughters. They should ask them if daddy did anything to them.

I'll see if I can pull some strings and get some information for you. Gimme a couple days.

Originally posted by djusdjus
he whips it out, raises it and gets shot at by agents with guns drawn while going for the suicide himself and succeeding.

OR... Federal agents murdered somebody in cold blood. It's happened before, and spectacularly (at Ruby Ridge and Waco), and the gubbermint has PAID OUT settlements to people who were victimized by asshole-crazy Fed operatives.

That's not a conspiracy. It's a fact.

So why not again? Why not again under VERY SIMILAR circumstances to Ruby Ridge?

Surely you don't trust the government, especially under a Chicago-thug administration?

(Incidentally, it was Bill Clinton who said Barack Obama "has the instincts of a Chicago thug," not me. And Bill Clinton is probably quite an expert on thugs)

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 2/4/2010 by Doc Velocity]

reply to post by DrJay1975


are you a Dis Info Agent?

I don't know how relevent any of this is, but I find this interesting.
Link

In 1997, Hill was found guilty in a court-martial of stealing a military tractor.

It would be the first of two courts-martial he would face.

He appears to have admitted to the tractor theft and did not appeal that.

From April 1996 to October 1997, military officials say, Hill and three other Marines stole military property, including ammunition, .50-caliber machine-gun barrels, a bomb suit and cold weather boots. They sold the gear for profit, Marine prosecutors said.

Hill used the money from the illicit sales to pay his attorney’s fees from the tractor theft court-martial, according to court records...

...In the filings, Hill wrote that he had bought some of the items he was accused of stealing and had never seen the others, and that his guilty plea was made under duress.

He admits to buying the stolen goods and it would appear he must have then sold them to pay attorneys fees from the prior court-martial he did not seem to dispute. I believe legally there is no difference if he bought them knowing they were stolen which he must have known. Then selling them would be also a crime of which he was guilty as he admitted buying them.

For a man who was the son of a Marine, it must have been a low moment.

Maybe that’s why even people like Celotto, who worked with Hill regularly, knew nothing about his two convictions and his time in prison.

Highlyoriginal,

It would appear even a person who most likely knew him better than you did, was not even aware of either of his court-marshals, so he clearly was closed mouthed about them. It would make sense he would be. Even if the theft of the tractor that he never disputed and buying the stolen goods which he admits to even in his case for appeal, were all there was to this, he would not be talking about it.

If the child pornography allegations were in fact false, there would be a quite large disparate group in on it, keeping silent about it. In the unlikely event that were true, the reason behind it would be something far more than just the thefts which I imagine go on all the time in the military.

I've known a few FBI Agents and something like this does not fit at all the type of person who serves in the FBI. Other alphabet agencies yes, FBI no. The Agents I've known were by the book and honest as the day is long.

The only thing that raises my eyebrows is the way he was shot. Even that could be explained I suppose. We have no way of knowing. Not really.

I knew a man when I was younger who had a big scar on the side of his face from a failed suicide attempt. He stuck a pistol in his mouth and pulled the trigger. The bullet deflected out of the side of his mouth instead of penetrating to his brain. He got in a car afterward and the Police had to chase him down in a high speed chase. He was drunk out of his mind but had no problem driving a car after he had shot himself "in the mouth". Is it at all possible he shot himself, it failed in the same way and he then turned the gun on the Officers after he failed?

Good luck with your pursuit, but you should certainly use common sense and not compound one bad occurrence with another. Lots of very nice people make mistakes in their lives. Some keep part of their lives secret from even those closest to them. Or, it could be as you say, something is not right about this.

Springer and S.O.,

Thank you for maintaining the integrity of your board while faced with such an emotional request.

reply to post by electricveins


Because anyone standing in front of FBI agents, in a bedroom, making a swift movement with a gun, is going to be shot multiple times.

You say for certain he was not into child pornography, but you don't know that for a fact, that is merely your opinion.

reply to post by Doc Velocity


You somehow expect someone discharging a weapon in front of a bunch of FBI agents in a crowded room to not be shot?

The simplest explanation is a child pornographer was caught by the FBI, and during the raid to arrest him, he produced a gun and shot himself, which the FBI thought was endangering them, so in the split-second the man was waving the gun around, they shot him.

Not some wrongfully-framed innocent man, after 10 years of legal attacks by the FBI, was executed in his bedroom, and the story was given to the press, for them to print. If the FBI wanted him dead, he'd wind up in a car crash, or washed up on some beach somewhere, or dead in his own house after a robbery. People who kill others and want to get away with it, usually don't admit to killing the person.

reply to post by gaurdian2012


Definitely. I've said it before and I'll say it again. "DATAMINING"

I find it somewhat entertaining they always use CHILD PONOGRAPHY as the big bad boogeyman to discredit or ruin a targets life. I know of a Lt Col that was up for Col in the airforce and they pulled the CHILD PORN boogeyman out as the weapon of choice. He ended up killing himself because he was so devistated. Something tells me they tied him off due to some cool classified stuff he knew of.

Hypothetical:
If I was faced with a federal agent or law enforcement officer investigating me I would say..."But the military, intel agencies, Brown Root, and the Sauds ship as many kids as they can fit on a Boeing 727 all the time for sacrafice and sexual rituals.

and I would repeat that over and over and over to every interrogation question tactic they threw my way.. no matter how starved i was for food or water.


These folks in dark places that rule world affairs and in positions of power are pedophile coward kabballah devil worshippers.
F-**'em