do Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage?

Originally posted by Dock9

to ask that president to provide (long after he took office) a birth certificate

He has provided his birth certificate.... why do you keep ignoring that fact?

And one can't help suspecting that Obama's failure to provide this vital document

I think this really shows how stupid birthers actually are - HE HAS PROVIDED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I had to post in capitals as birthers seem unable to read normal type!

Which is why this thread continues to grow and why questions about Obama continue to be asked

They are asked as some people refuse to accept that a black man was properly elected the POTUS!

Originally posted by Dock9
The important thing is, Obama jumps to attention when Israel clicks its fingers

You should be proud of having such an Israel-obedient servant as US president

And clothes hang nicely on him

Yes, and then traipses of to Saudi Arabia to hold hands with the royal family, much like George Bush did.

Peculiar action for a country that is allegedly in the middle east on a liberation movement.

You would think Saudi Arabia would have been one of the first counties invaded considering it was home to a number of the 9/11 terrorists as well as being a tyrannical dictatorship.

reply to post by Dock9

So do you believe it unreasonable for the taxpaying public of the United States, plus members of the US military who risk losing their lives as result of a US presidents decisions

to ask that president to provide (long after he took office) a birth certificate and other documents such as the documentation required of ordinary US citizens when seeking a loan, or college entry, or a driving licence, passport, etc. ?

Ok, let me spell this out again for you. I have done this repeatedly in countless threads on this issue, but apparently you missed those threads.

When you go to the DMV and get your drivers licence, are you required to show your birth certificate to the 18 year old in the back of the line? No you don't, why? Because he is not the one that is giving you your drivers licence. You only need to show your proof to the people that are qualified and legally obligated to view it. Those are the DMV employees.

It's much the same with a candidate, they are required to prove to the Secretary of State in each state that they are qualified to be on the ballot and that is it. You as a normal citizen aren't in a position to ask for this documentation because you do not vote for the president. You vote for electors, and those electors vote for the president.

To take another one of your analogies if you were in a bank applying for a loan, do I as a customer of that bank have the right to demand to see your paperwork? I mean after all, a portion of my savings in that bank is going to go for your loan right? Doesn't quite work does it? I as another customer of your bank have no authority to demand your personal papers and effects for inspection. Thats thanks to the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. You have the right to protect your personal papers and effects from unreasonable searches and seizures. So does the President, when he gave out his COLB online for everyone to view, that was his choice, and he was free to do so. That was backed up by Hawaii and so the matter should be settled.

So yes, it is unreasonable for you to demand something that is protected under the Constitution, you probably aren't a document expert, you probably aren't a member of the electoral college, you probably aren't Nancy Pelosi. So in short yes you don't have standing to question where this person was born.

reply to post by purple23

How then did he keep it a secret for so long? Did he not attend a US university? How was he admitted, and how could the university not have known he wasn't an American born citizen? Wouldn't this same university by now have admitted that he was not born inside the confines of the United States of America? I would think they would know.

Obama hasn't released all his records.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Can you point me to the clause in the US constitution where the POTUS is legally obligated to disclose all his private records? And if you do that, please point me to where all other presidents have done the same.

Originally posted by 814ck0u7

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Birthers are very bitter individuals who repeat things they've heard from the right wing media. No one takes them seriously as they're extremely immature moronic beings.

Sometimes we all need to grow up..birthers don't know how to

gorehoundlarry, if the issue had anything to do with maturity or "growing up" then your statement might have some merit, but seeing as it doesnt, it would be awesome for you to shut the hell up.

not drawing any more correlation than the one on the surface, but no one took people who said the earth WASNT flat seriously either. i suppose my point is that it doesnt matter one iota who or what takes someone seriously, if there is a shred of doubt in the matter, then a shred of doubt there shall remain.

you coming in here and painting "birthers" with such a wide brush, calling them extremely immature moronic beings brands you as extremely immature and moronic, if nothing else. i would say that i cant believe you would do such a brash and stupid thing, but then again, i would be lying.... i not only believe it, i expected it.

Actually, it has a lot to do with maturity. Birthers are folks who can't get over the fact they have a black DEMOCRAT in office. They live in a fantasy world where they think their president was born in another country. If he was white, there would be no debate regarding to citizenship. But these morons need something to cry about, don't they? If it's not this, then it's another.

Oh and I will not "shut the hell up." Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean they should be silenced. I think you proved part of my post to be quite accurate. Good job

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

This will be my last post in this thread, some of you have taken it so entirely far off topic that it's laughable and pathetic.


This was about discovering whether or not Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage.

I presented my opinions, supported them with facts, and gave my argument.

You retort with name calling. Others demand to see my PhD and claim that they'll turn me into the police for "imitating a doctor" (Haha

)

You completely avoid the topic and instead choose to talk about something else. Which suggests an immediate conclusion

All of your actions, and nearly every "Birther" post in this thread is doing nothing but supporting the OP




Believing in something that you cannot prove is called faith.

Believing in something, this vehemently, that can be, and has been, proven false with 100% certainty hints at mental instability. I don't say that as an insult, but i know you'll take it as one anyways.


Oh Well.


End.




Edit to add:

Thank you to everyone who thought they were so clever for pointing out that this came from Me, Myself, & Irene. Yes, yes it did, the idea for the disorder came from Me, Myself, & Irene. I never once claimed it came from any where else.

However, each individual part of the affliction is a real, medically classified mental illness. We all know that mental illnesses come in many forms. It is, therefore, theoretically possible to suffer from more than 1 illness. I just propose that a small group of people suffer from 3.

You can either debate that, or continue your off-topic yammering.
Its up to you. I've said my peace, lots of people have agreed with me.

I'm done here.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Snarf]

yes great job change the topic and not address anything that is brought up and assert everyone has a mental illness

great job

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dock9

 

So do you believe it unreasonable for the taxpaying public of the United States, plus members of the US military who risk losing their lives as result of a US presidents decisions

to ask that president to provide (long after he took office) a birth certificate and other documents such as the documentation required of ordinary US citizens when seeking a loan, or college entry, or a driving licence, passport, etc. ?

Ok, let me spell this out again for you. I have done this repeatedly in countless threads on this issue, but apparently you missed those threads.

When you go to the DMV and get your drivers licence, are you required to show your birth certificate to the 18 year old in the back of the line? No you don't, why? Because he is not the one that is giving you your drivers licence. You only need to show your proof to the people that are qualified and legally obligated to view it. Those are the DMV employees.

It's much the same with a candidate, they are required to prove to the Secretary of State in each state that they are qualified to be on the ballot and that is it. You as a normal citizen aren't in a position to ask for this documentation because you do not vote for the president. You vote for electors, and those electors vote for the president.

To take another one of your analogies if you were in a bank applying for a loan, do I as a customer of that bank have the right to demand to see your paperwork? I mean after all, a portion of my savings in that bank is going to go for your loan right? Doesn't quite work does it? I as another customer of your bank have no authority to demand your personal papers and effects for inspection. Thats thanks to the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. You have the right to protect your personal papers and effects from unreasonable searches and seizures. So does the President, when he gave out his COLB online for everyone to view, that was his choice, and he was free to do so. That was backed up by Hawaii and so the matter should be settled.

So yes, it is unreasonable for you to demand something that is protected under the Constitution, you probably aren't a document expert, you probably aren't a member of the electoral college, you probably aren't Nancy Pelosi. So in short yes you don't have standing to question where this person was born.

yes great point the potus has no obligation to the people simply to those in business with him

great answer


and people wonder why people question things in the american government

its also great how everyone spends all this time screaming about their proof

and now when i call anyone out about that proof, they wont speak about it

they simply state no proof is enough

or i have no right to ask for proof

or i am in no position to be asking for proof

i question and point out why proof that has been supplied is invalid and no one discusses that part, they just go on to mention everyone is crazy and mentally disabled


GREAT arguments

really well done, for the other side, you have all done a great job of looking insane and ridiculous, especially narcissistic

talk about the pot calling the kettle black

the only physical piece of evidence in this entire thread was the one i posted that i got from another thread, and even that evidence is debatable given its own words


the group wishing to quell those asking questions has done nothing but make themselves out to be fools with no common sense who care nothing about facts and only everything about trying to make their side look good even though it makes them look horrible

reply to post by Dramey

yes great point the potus has no obligation to the people simply to those in business with him

I am not talking about his policies, and his position on issues, or what he does while in office, I am talking about his personal papers and effects. Those are protected under the Constitution. It's really simple.

and people wonder why people question things in the american government

Questions are great, but when you get an answer, just because you don't like the answer don't assume that they gave a false answer.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by 814ck0u7

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Birthers are very bitter individuals who repeat things they've heard from the right wing media. No one takes them seriously as they're extremely immature moronic beings.

Sometimes we all need to grow up..birthers don't know how to

gorehoundlarry, if the issue had anything to do with maturity or "growing up" then your statement might have some merit, but seeing as it doesnt, it would be awesome for you to shut the hell up.

not drawing any more correlation than the one on the surface, but no one took people who said the earth WASNT flat seriously either. i suppose my point is that it doesnt matter one iota who or what takes someone seriously, if there is a shred of doubt in the matter, then a shred of doubt there shall remain.

you coming in here and painting "birthers" with such a wide brush, calling them extremely immature moronic beings brands you as extremely immature and moronic, if nothing else. i would say that i cant believe you would do such a brash and stupid thing, but then again, i would be lying.... i not only believe it, i expected it.

Actually, it has a lot to do with maturity. Birthers are folks who can't get over the fact they have a black DEMOCRAT in office. They live in a fantasy world where they think their president was born in another country. If he was white, there would be no debate regarding to citizenship. But these morons need something to cry about, don't they? If it's not this, then it's another.

Oh and I will not "shut the hell up." Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean they should be silenced. I think you proved part of my post to be quite accurate. Good job

why does everything with obama have to be about color and race and black and white

this is the most ridiculous period of american history, not a single thing can be said without some jackass calling everyone racist and playing the race card


personally i dont give a damn about the color of the person in the house, all that matters to me, is that they are naturally born americans


and if i am considered a "birther" because i have decided to ask questions about a subject that hasnt gone away in half a year

then hell im damn proud to be considered a birther

at least it means i think and question things rather then take everyones word for everything

Originally posted by Dramey
i question and point out why proof that has been supplied is invalid

and you are wrong, as has been shown, Obama's certificate IS valid....

and no one discusses that part,

It has been discussed, but you just ignore that....

NO, dereks

Obama has NOT supplied an unambiguous, indisputable proof of birth to the taxpayers who pay him or to the world that suffers him

When he does, we'll let you know


Until then, people will continue to demand that Obama produces the documentation by releasing it from the tomb in which he sealed it


That's what this thread and many others, in literally dozens of fora, is all about

He's stonewalling

Why ?

He refused to explain


Thus compelling the questioning world to draw its own conclusions

reply to post by Dramey

and if i am considered a "birther" because i have decided to ask questions about a subject that hasnt gone away in half a year

then hell im damn proud to be considered a birther

at least it means i think and question things rather then take everyones word for everything

So basically you are saying you made up your mind already, and there is no proof that is good enough to change your mind on the subject.

Questioning things is great and all, but if you don't like the answer, it's not the persons fault that is answering you, it's your own. After all, you already have your mind made up about the issue.

Which is fine, I guess. It is your right to have made up your mind about a subject. Just don't expect the rest of us to be quiet while people prattle on with false evidence and pseudo news articles. Some of us don't take WND at their word.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dramey

 

yes great point the potus has no obligation to the people simply to those in business with him

I am not talking about his policies, and his position on issues, or what he does while in office, I am talking about his personal papers and effects. Those are protected under the Constitution. It's really simple.

and people wonder why people question things in the american government

Questions are great, but when you get an answer, just because you don't like the answer don't assume that they gave a false answer.

i havent been given an answer that wasnt here-say, sure ive only been asking questions for about 3 days

but the only answers i get seem to be smart ass remarks, insults, or, "google it"

i finally got an intelligent member of ats to actually provide a link instead of using personal remarks and here-say

that link had the picture in question, the picture clearly states it is invalid

so i asked a question about it

i get nothing

all im told is that, it doesnt matter because no proof will be enough etc etc

instead of addressing the question people change the subject

ive asked the same question about the piece of evidence provided me at least half a dozen to a dozen times now, and i havent been given a single answer, but i have been lumped into the birther group that is accused of suffering from all kinds of mental illnesses, because i have asked questions

i have never once stated obama was born elsewhere

ive simply as questions as to what has taken place, then i have asked questions about what took place

and im still waiting on an answer

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Dramey
i question and point out why proof that has been supplied is invalid

and you are wrong, as has been shown, Obama's certificate IS valid....

and no one discusses that part,

It has been discussed, but you just ignore that....

where is this valid certificate

is it this one?

[im][/im]

this one that i post over and over that no one will talk about since it was provided to me as proof

the one where at the bottom is says specifically and i quote

any alterations invalidate this certificate

then you look to the top right corner

and there are alterations that follow the words

certificate no.

is this the proof you talk about

it is all i have been shown and by its own admission it is invalid

or is the evidence everyone is mentioning a different document other then this?

[im][/im]

if so

how come everyone refuses to show me the document in question?

reply to post by Dock9


Yes, in fact he has provide you with all the proof you require. He doesn't have to keep providing more and more proof because you (Someone who is not qualified to examine the documents he already has shown you) don't like it.

The government should not have to stop what it's doing because Dock9 is unsatisfied with a piece of paper.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dramey

 

and if i am considered a "birther" because i have decided to ask questions about a subject that hasnt gone away in half a year

then hell im damn proud to be considered a birther

at least it means i think and question things rather then take everyones word for everything

So basically you are saying you made up your mind already, and there is no proof that is good enough to change your mind on the subject.

Questioning things is great and all, but if you don't like the answer, it's not the persons fault that is answering you, it's your own. After all, you already have your mind made up about the issue.

Which is fine, I guess. It is your right to have made up your mind about a subject. Just don't expect the rest of us to be quiet while people prattle on with false evidence and pseudo news articles. Some of us don't take WND at their word.

how in the world could asking questions possibly mean i have made up my mind

the simple fact of asking questions means you are pursuing knowledge, meaning your mind is open


go ahead scroll through all my posts and find the exact quote where i state matter of factually that is anywhere along the lines of obama being born elsewhere?

i have not made that statement, i have simply asked questions that are either insulted or ignored

on top of that, i am not the inventor of these questions, this debate has been going on for half a year and those in power are ALLOWING it to be debated when they could end the situation simply

the fact the "non birther side doesnt see that, simply shows the eyes are closed

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Dramey]