do Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage?

Sorry, but doesn't this just sound insane? This is what Birthers believe.

reply to post by rusethorcain


no mate. i dont think its a matter of missing, i think its a matter of intentionally overlooking. mccain, palin and the like would say anything if you waved enough money under their noses.

this partisan issue exists mainly if you believe republicans and democrats ARENT working to the same end.

they (reps/dems in the house/senate) dont represent the people anymore, at least very few do, so why should thre actually be any difference between the two parties, and why should their work be aimed toward bettering the people of America, the people they used to represent.

why do detractors of people who question the legitimacy of the current POTUS automatically link us to brain disorders or drug addicts?

reply to post by whatukno


why do detractors/debunkers love to tell their subjects how they think and feel?

whatukno, i tried to watch your video from an impartial angle, but i just cant get down with all the bull# and comical exaggeration.

i know you were trying to be funny, but you failed.

miserably

reply to post by Snarf

To the point of Obama's birth origins.
What's the point of discussing it.He is in the office of The President.
To the point of mental stability of individuals who speak up about unreasonable issues.Let's try to reason why individuals who don't speak up about any issues other than the issues deemed safe.
Public opinion polls state that one of the two greatest fears we have is public speaking.Simplified,we fear being ridiculed and embaressed when we verbally express our veiws to others.The size of the listening audience has nothing to do with the fear.
Every time I sit down and type words down for others to read,I stress the fact that I make spelling errors.No longer.As long as others can understand the words and their meanings, then any errors could be on the part of the readers personality.Unless their proffesion is a Proof Reader.

reply to post by Snarf


I do agree Snarf that there is a lot of evidence that shows he is a US born citizen. But what I do question is why block access to all of his records??? That is the part I don't understand.

Originally posted by billyjack
Did he attend Occidental on a Fulbright Scholarship?

As has been posted manytimes here before, that was a April fools joke...
www.snopes.com...

He has yet to disclose his donors that contibuted $750,000,000 to his campaign nor allowed the audit required by law,

another birther lie, with nothing at all to support it!

It is so funny the crap some people post, all because a black man is the POTUS!

reply to post by 814ck0u7

why do detractors/debunkers love to tell their subjects how they think and feel?

Fortunately for now, freedom of speech is still a right in this country. The bill of rights protects people from all sorts of things, including unreasonable searches and seizures. The 4th Amendment is something that Birthers are just way too willing to throw away in their quest to oust Obama from office. This is a part of why I am so adamant against this unfounded conspiracy. The people that believe in this conspiracy want to destroy that right for every American.

Imagine if you will, you get hired for a job, but there is one person in the office that doesn't believe that you are eligible for that position because he thinks that you are an illegal alien and demands your birth certificate be made public to prove you are eligible for that job, even though you already showed your birth certificate to the hiring manager.

Constitutionally this person doesn't have a leg to stand on, you are protected under the 4th Amendment which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, his demand is quite unreasonable because you already showed your proof to the satisfaction of the hiring manager.

So on in a good faith effort you post a copy of your birth certificate in the break room for all to see. Now this same person says that isn't good enough, and wants further proof. Do you still waste your time trying to prove to this one person that you are eligible for the job, or do you do your job?

whatukno, i tried to watch your video from an impartial angle, but i just cant get down with all the bull# and comical exaggeration.

That's comedy for you, to some people it's funny, to others they just don't get the joke.

reply to post by Snarf


Duh...why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed, isn't he after all the Nations Role Model, the Nations Leader, why can't he do something as simple as releasing his records and I don't mean just birth records??? He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion...huh. As it stands now and especially with his demonstrated performance I see no reason to believe he is anything other than a Phony and many of the Liberals have been slowly seeing that as well according to the polls.

So who are you to pose such a thread, do you work for the Obama Administration in some capacity, are you trolling for "No-Fly List Candidates" or IRS Audits?

Originally posted by Sparky63

The bottom line is that if Obama wanted to clear this up he could.
But it is really to his advantage to keep the "Birthers" focused on what the mainstream media has already determined to be a non issue.

As long as the "birthers" continue to focus on this issue they will continue to be ridiculed, isolated, and scorned by Democrats and their mainstream media lap dogs. This really couldn't work out better for Obama.
The "birthers" make up only a small part of the Republican Party, but by association all Republican are subject to scorn and Republican candidates will be forced to take a stand declaring Obama's legitimacy as POTUS or else be lumped in with the "Wingnut Birthers".

If I was Obama I wouldn't change a thing.


[edit on 2/4/2010 by Sparky63]

i see where you are coming from but i have to disagree

this is only my opinion but personally, if he allows the debate to continue much longer, he is going to really hurt himself when it comes time for the election

anyone with a bit of a doubt will not cast his name on the ballot, this issue, along with many other policies, and things that he is doing, could very possibly and probably make him a one term president

reply to post by Boomer1941

Duh...why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed, isn't he after all the Nations Role Model, the Nations Leader, why can't he do something as simple as releasing his records and I don't mean just birth records???

Why should he? It's funny that people want things that aren't really necessary for him to do his job, why does he have to release all of his records? That just would give his opposition ammunition against him, you don't give your enemy bullets. There is no reason he should release anything that isn't pertinent to the job he has.

The only reason people want to have access to every single thing that Obama has ever done is in the attempt to discredit him. He isn't going to give his detractors any information that might be used against him in an election. That's just silly. He released his COLB, showing that he is eligible for the job. People want the long form so they can go and harass the doctor that birthed him, they want his college records so they can harass the professors that taught him. I suppose he should release his social security number too so that people can steal his identity right?

I guess the 4th Amendment only applies to you and not your perceived enemies.

He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion...

That was a joke son, you missed it.

So who are you to pose such a thread, do you work for the Obama Administration in some capacity, are you trolling for "No-Fly List Candidates" or IRS Audits?

That must be it.

Originally posted by Boomer1941
why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed

Because this is not about any bit of paper that Obama releases, this is about a black man being the POTUS

He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion

Oh dear, another birther lie, he never said that at all - did you even listen to what he said, or just get your information from a birther site - sites which have been shown to be just lies?

i have to say from a neutral standpoint, both sides look pretty bad


there was a brief moment of intelligent debate where proof was utilized, then it went right back to the bashing from both sides

americans need to learn, the way to persuade someone to believe something different from what the believe currently, is not by ridicule and harassment, but utilization of the facts, and physical evidence that proves those facts, simply put, knowledge needs to be spread, ridicule and emotion just widen the gap between both groups


not saying one side is better then the other, both dont look great


and it may be the case that there are those that nothing will be good enough for proof wise, but that should just mean the other side should rise above the one they are criticizing rather then fall to the level of the one they look down on


and it has to be realized not ALL birthers have the same extreme viewpoint as the video, there are those who exist who simply dont know and are asking questions


with that said, the video provided some chuckles, but did not help the cause, it just furthered the rift between those who believe and those who dont

i do not support either group, i support the truth

right now the truth is that evidence has been provided, even though those involved still do act suspicious through their actions or rather in actions

i also wish to just make one other thing clear here


sure he may not be required to do something that is asked of him

but that doesnt automatically mean he shouldnt
we arent dealing with something insignificant

we are dealing with the president of the united states

sure we can argue all day about who elects who and how he does or doesnt owe anything to average citizens


but the bottom line, he should be doing whatever he can to appease the american people if he wishes to be successful and that needs to be realized

hes not a criminal for not doing something he doesnt have to by law

but he isnt gaining any points with those who are questioning him by not cooperating when cooperating would be fairly simple

if i was the president and had that many aids, if there was something the people asked for, that wouldnt cause any problems, the people would get it

on top of that, i wouldnt force the issue of he doesnt have to down peoples throats

he may not have to now, but if enough people get concerned about the situation, someone will go about trying to create a law that will force the president to in the future


seems to me by not cooperating with american people he is simply playing with fire

but its not a house that might burn down if something goes wrong, its the nation


both sides are correct in claiming this issue is being handled in a ridiculous way by all parties involved

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Boomer1941
why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed

Because this is not about any bit of paper that Obama releases, this is about a black man being the POTUS

He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion

Oh dear, another birther lie, he never said that at all - did you even listen to what he said, or just get your information from a birther site - sites which have been shown to be just lies?

just a bit of constructive criticism meant only in a respectful way

you may believe its all about color, but you arent helping your cause by bringing up the race card, there are many who have questioned things, that dont give a damn about race, i was one of them

i dont give a damn the color of his skin, i only wanted answers, i got them, and am satisfied

but your goal here, is to change the mind of the other side, if it wasnt then speaking here is just a waste of your time

if you want to debate successfully, leave the race card out of it, or it will mean less people that you can potentially reach

Claiming that this is all about race is nonsense. I know many who absolutely hate Obama but would gladly have voted for Alan Keyes, Condoleezza Rice or Colin Powell. Many of the same people who question Obama's eligibility supported Clarence Thomas and are happy that he is on the Supreme Court.



[edit on 2/4/2010 by Sparky63]

As others have said, he may be a citizen and he may have been born in the U.S., but he is not natural born. His father was not an American. He could have divided loyalties.

It's not JUST about Obama. We cannot have a president who is NOT natural born because he/she must never have any reason for conflicts of loyalty.

No matter how much you like him, we cannot make let him off the hook and look the other way. It's the constitution people.

reply to post by Dramey

but the bottom line, he should be doing whatever he can to appease the american people if he wishes to be successful and that needs to be realized

hes not a criminal for not doing something he doesnt have to by law

but he isnt gaining any points with those who are questioning him by not cooperating when cooperating would be fairly simple

if i was the president and had that many aids, if there was something the people asked for, that wouldnt cause any problems, the people would get it

The problem is, he did comply with the will of the people that questioned this, they didn't believe him. So should he keep trying to appease people that will never be appeased, or should he get on with the business he was elected to do?

You have less than .001% of the population that doesn't believe that the president is eligible for office, they won't be appeased. He could force Hawaii to grant him a long form birth certificate, show it publicly with the doctor that birthed him (if he is still alive) and these people won't believe it, they would say that it's a forgery, or that the paper was folded wrong, or say that Hawaii doesn't allow long form birth certificates so it must be a forgery, or any number of a thousand different things just so that this conspiracy would continue.

It's because to some people it is a sickness, it is a delusion, you just can't take away that delusion. They need that delusion to make everything seem right in their lives.

So the best way to handle it, is to make jokes about it, ignore it, and move on with the business of running the country, that .001% is just that, .001% of the population of the United States, there are probably more people that think that Elvis is still alive.

There are more people that think the moon landing was faked, or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens killed JFK. And indecently a lot more evidence to boot.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Boomer1941

 

Duh...why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed, isn't he after all the Nations Role Model, the Nations Leader, why can't he do something as simple as releasing his records and I don't mean just birth records???

Why should he? It's funny that people want things that aren't really necessary for him to do his job, why does he have to release all of his records? That just would give his opposition ammunition against him, you don't give your enemy bullets. There is no reason he should release anything that isn't pertinent to the job he has.

I guess the 4th Amendment only applies to you and not your perceived enemies.

He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion...

That was a joke son, you missed it.

So who are you to pose such a thread, do you work for the Obama Administration in some capacity, are you trolling for "No-Fly List Candidates" or IRS Audits?

That must be it.

Your argument is lame to say the least. The only President to my knowledge before Obama who restricted access to any records at all was Clinton and that was only his medical records. Obama has restricted all of his records. How does someone coming from a poor family afford the best schools in the nation with no record of student loans?

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Dramey

 

but the bottom line, he should be doing whatever he can to appease the american people if he wishes to be successful and that needs to be realized

hes not a criminal for not doing something he doesnt have to by law

but he isnt gaining any points with those who are questioning him by not cooperating when cooperating would be fairly simple

if i was the president and had that many aids, if there was something the people asked for, that wouldnt cause any problems, the people would get it

The problem is, he did comply with the will of the people that questioned this, they didn't believe him. So should he keep trying to appease people that will never be appeased, or should he get on with the business he was elected to do?

You have less than .001% of the population that doesn't believe that the president is eligible for office, they won't be appeased. He could force Hawaii to grant him a long form birth certificate, show it publicly with the doctor that birthed him (if he is still alive) and these people won't believe it, they would say that it's a forgery, or that the paper was folded wrong, or say that Hawaii doesn't allow long form birth certificates so it must be a forgery, or any number of a thousand different things just so that this conspiracy would continue.

It's because to some people it is a sickness, it is a delusion, you just can't take away that delusion. They need that delusion to make everything seem right in their lives.

So the best way to handle it, is to make jokes about it, ignore it, and move on with the business of running the country, that .001% is just that, .001% of the population of the United States, there are probably more people that think that Elvis is still alive.

There are more people that think the moon landing was faked, or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that aliens killed JFK. And indecently a lot more evidence to boot.

so they dont believe it

screw em, this isnt a perfect world and never will be

at least he could in good faith say he did something rather then sit by idly and allow the debate to continue

that would look a lot better for him come election time

by showing the people he is trying rather then not, he will win over people, probably not all of them, but he will win people over, some are better then nothing

like you said, he could easily force hawaii to do what people are asking for, and it wouldnt take more then a minute of his time

yes he has shown proof, but he wouldnt have to go out of his way to do any more


does he legally have to do anything more, no absolutely not, but to try to attempt to make comparisons

everyday the average citizen does something at their job that they dont legally have to do, or arent required to do to keep their job, but they do it everyday usually because it will look better for them

no different here

and i have to say

for the sole fact that this topic has made the national news, i guarantee on my life that more then .001% have their doubts, i wouldnt be shocked at all if that number was truly in the double digits

i dont mean all of them STATE that he is born elsewhere, but it wouldnt shock me one bit to know that many have their doubts for the sole reason it was in the national news

we all know theres at least 10 percent of america that believe Everything they hear on the news


with the proof i have been shown, i agree the debate should be ended without further proof AGAINST obama, but it has not, nor will it while there are those demanding more, and in my opinion he would be better served to address things then allow speculation


on top of all i have mentioned we have to realize, after the last president, the america people are angry, upset, frustrated, and have serious trust issues when it comes to the government, they also feel disrespected


by ignoring what americans are saying to him, he is showing a lack of respect, maybe some of the people he is disrespecting deserve it because they are crazy racists, its inevitable there are some of those, but there are also just regular old citizens with questions, he could easily win them over by doing no more then simply trying

and for him to try, would take the most minimal effort on his part


we have to realize hes the president, maybe doing whats being discussed isnt his job on paper, but his job is to bring this country together and hold it together, allowing speculation doesnt exactly do that


both sides of the case have valid points, and neither should go overlooked, thats one of the things harming america, people are failing to look at the things that are grey, this is not a black and white world as the people who constantly play the race card wish to believe


if you were to look at things from a scientific stand point, is it possible theres some huge giant conspiracy going on and obama is some manchurian candidate put in place?

yes its possible, is it probable? no not at all

is there any proof to the situation that he is a manchurian candidate? no not all, but nothings impossible

like i said, the best way for birthers to go about this is to simply go out and try to get more proof, but antagonizing either side in the meantime, only harms the country

Originally posted by Dramey

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Boomer1941
why doesn't he just put it all to rest then, release all the records he has concealed

Because this is not about any bit of paper that Obama releases, this is about a black man being the POTUS

He said today at National Prayer Day he didn't like people questioning his birth or religion

Oh dear, another birther lie, he never said that at all - did you even listen to what he said, or just get your information from a birther site - sites which have been shown to be just lies?

just a bit of constructive criticism meant only in a respectful way

you may believe its all about color, but you arent helping your cause by bringing up the race card, there are many who have questioned things, that dont give a damn about race, i was one of them

i dont give a damn the color of his skin, i only wanted answers, i got them, and am satisfied

but your goal here, is to change the mind of the other side, if it wasnt then speaking here is just a waste of your time

if you want to debate successfully, leave the race card out of it, or it will mean less people that you can potentially reach

Color? I never mentioned "Color" at all, only a Racist would bring "Color" into the argument and that you have done.

With regards to the National Prayer Day statement I head it and saw with my own eyes and ears, it was on Cable News today.

I just love it when people shoot from the hip without doing any research, this has been quite evident with the influx of Kool-Aid Drinkers defending a failing presidency. Failing to say the least, the revered Kennedy seat now belongs to a Republican, the leftist liberal Al Franken beating up Axelrod today in a closed door meeting...lol It's all falling apart sportsfans, wait till November.