do Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage?

There are far more pressing issues for Americans to concern themselves with.

The war in the middle east. The crumbling economy. The ever increasing debt. The fact that the government is completely out of touch with the average American. The fact that trillions of dollars worth of taxpayer monies was given to financial institutions as well as other corporations. The fact that a generous portion of that very same money was used to award employees with bonuses. The very same employees who will earn more in one year than the majority of Americans will earn in an entire lifetime.

You would think that with all of these legitimate gripes that the American people would unite as one and demand actual change.

Sadly, even though it has been proven to them that neither political party has their best interests in mind, they still cling to partisanship as if it were their favourite football team.

These people will still cling to this conspiracy even though it is fairly obvious that it holds no basis in reality.

This is because their unwavering partisanship has blinded them to all rational thought.

They will stop at nothing in order to ensure that someone who bears their political stripe is crowned as POTUS. And this statement is true for both democrats and republicans.

If only these people could see that there is no difference between either party. That neither party has the best interests of the American people at heart. Then we would all be laughing. Unfortunately it doesn't look like that is going to be a reality any time soon.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by Dramey
so if you are telling me the short form he provided is good enough

then please show me the short form

I will do no such thing even if its blacked out, but I will happily reference on the form of acceptable identification to apply for a drivers licence at the DMV, California:

Birth date verification and legal presence requirements
The issue of identification reliability, integrity, and confidentiality is of prime concern to all citizens. Eligibility for government services, issuance of various licenses, assessment of taxes, the right to vote, etc., are all determined through evaluations based on identification documents. It is critical that identification documents be authenticated and accurate in identifying each individual. The California driver license and ID card have been declared as primary identification documents in this state by the California legislature.

State law requires every applicant for an original California identification (ID) card and driver license to show verification of birth date and proof of legal presence within the United States to help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of departmental documents.

If your current name no longer matches the name on your birth date/legal presence document, see "True Full Name" and "How to Change Your Name" for more information.

Only the original or a certified copy of one of the following documents is acceptable:

•US Birth Certificate
•US Certificate or Report of Birth Abroad
•Federal Proof of Indian Blood Degree
•INS American Indian Card
•Birth Certificate or passport issued from a US Territory
•US Passport
•US Military Identification Cards (Active or reserve duty, dependent, retired member, discharged from service, medical/religious personnel)
•Common Access Card (only if designated as Active military or Active Reserve or Active Selected Reserve)
•Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship
•Northern Mariana Card
•INS US Citizen ID Card
•Permanent Resident Card
•Temporary Resident Identification Card
•Canadian Passport/Birth Certificate
•Non-resident Alien Canadian Border Crossing Card
•Valid foreign passport with a valid Record of Arrival/Departure (form I-94)
•Certification from California Department of Corrections or California Youth Authority
•Employment Authorization Card
•Permanent Resident Re-entry Permit
•Refugee travel document
•"Processed for I-551" stamped in a valid foreign passport
•Valid I-94 stamped "Refugee," "Parole or Parolee," "Asylee," or Section 207, Section 208, Section 209, Section 212d(2), HP or PIP
•Immigration judge’s order granting asylum
•Certified court order or judgment issued from a court of competent jurisdiction.
•Valid I-94 with attached photo stamped "Processed for I-551 temporary evidence of lawful admission for permanent residence"
•Notice of Action (I-797 Approved Petition)
•Mexican Border Crossing Card with valid I-94

www.dmv.ca.gov...

Obama presented a certification of birth online, which was verified by Hawaiian officials. This form of identification, the short form is acceptable in California as is the same for state law in Hawaii. So you dont need to exclusively use your long form to get a drivers licence in every state. Infact, I dont know what state specifically requires a long form. Most folks I know only have their short forms as their original long forms are either gone, unable to retrieve it or their states have gone paperless to digital. Many people keep their old long form birth certificates, but I am yet to see somebody that actually uses it as identification. To me personally as I said, its old, its got too personal details on it and I would not want to run the risk of losing it. The certification of birth has worked just fine for me.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Southern Guardian]

the whole post is seriously showing a lack of common sense
either that or you are only reading bits and pieces of posts


you and i are talking about the same document as far as i know, especially since NO ONE has given me any document other then one, on that document that has been produced

there are alterations on it

on the form it clearly states any alterations make it invalid

have you seen any without alterations

why is everyone ignoring that question even though i have clearly typed it time and time again

i dont give a crap about long form, dont give a damn about short form

all i want is a form that is legit by its own definition, that has been altered in no way, and that would fly in court

has he produced ANY of the documents you listed for the dmv?

if so

show em

if not then why even bother arguing, you are doing nothing to educate the opposing side and win your case, you are just making our country look bad by persecuting people for asking questions in a free country

honestly i think that should be punishable by law, ESPECIALLY in a free country, whats happening here is no different then racism, sexism or any other ism's, automatically, someone is attacked because they are different in some way to another group


the whole premise of this thread is discriminatory and no different then racism, ignorant oppression, by one group of another


the following, is the only photograph, or copy, or anything, of any document that has been shown as proof, that was not here-say

the link to this picture was provided by an ats member who was debating this issue in the dc court case thread

www.fightthesmears.com...



i have seen nothing other then this, and by its own admission it is invalid, due to the certificate number being blacked out

i have asked why that would be blacked out

no one will respond to that

no one will show me anything that doesnt have it blacked out

no one will show me a single piece of evidence that is not here-say that the president of the united states is a naturally born american


yet there are several people here debating feverishly that he is, to the point of alienating and discriminating against at least hundreds of thousands of people in this nation who have every right to ask the questions they are asking and get legally acceptable answers according to the standards set forth by the united states judicial system

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Dramey]

HI Attorney General’s office refuses to corroborate Obama’s HI Birth
WON’T DEFEND FUKINO’S STATEMENT THAT HE IS “NATURAL-BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN”

by John Charlton

Mark J. Bennett, HI Attorney General

(Feb. 2, 2010) — While political momentum is building within the Democratic Party from coast to coast to make the issue of Obama’s claims to be born in Hawaii a litmus test for its political opponents in the 2010 general elections for Congress, a key component in such a strategy has been undermined by the Hawaii Attorney General’s Office.

In correspondence with The Post & Email, Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, has made it clear that her office will not corroborate or back in any way the July 27, 2009 Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, which declared Obama Hawaiian-born and a “natural-born American citizen.”

www.thepostemail.com...

reply to post by Dramey


This will be my last post in this thread, some of you have taken it so entirely far off topic that it's laughable and pathetic.


This was about discovering whether or not Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage.

I presented my opinions, supported them with facts, and gave my argument.

You retort with name calling. Others demand to see my PhD and claim that they'll turn me into the police for "imitating a doctor" (Haha )

You completely avoid the topic and instead choose to talk about something else. Which suggests an immediate conclusion

All of your actions, and nearly every "Birther" post in this thread is doing nothing but supporting the OP




Believing in something that you cannot prove is called faith.

Believing in something, this vehemently, that can be, and has been, proven false with 100% certainty hints at mental instability. I don't say that as an insult, but i know you'll take it as one anyways.


Oh Well.


End.




Edit to add:

Thank you to everyone who thought they were so clever for pointing out that this came from Me, Myself, & Irene. Yes, yes it did, the idea for the disorder came from Me, Myself, & Irene. I never once claimed it came from any where else.

However, each individual part of the affliction is a real, medically classified mental illness. We all know that mental illnesses come in many forms. It is, therefore, theoretically possible to suffer from more than 1 illness. I just propose that a small group of people suffer from 3.

You can either debate that, or continue your off-topic yammering.
Its up to you. I've said my peace, lots of people have agreed with me.

I'm done here.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Snarf]

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Hawaii is sick of this question by now, they have a state government to run and don't have time to waste on non issues like this.

The "publication" you are citing doesn't quote Nagamine in any way but instead summarizes what they supposedly obtained from Nagamine's office.

Nagamine, in response, asserted that any answer to such questions given by her office would represent a conflict of interest for her office. And that is an explicit admission that Dr. Fukino had no statutory authority nor duty to make such a statement, and that the Attorney General’s office will not stand behind Fukino’s claim that Obama is a “natural-born American citizen.” It is such, because if Fukino’s declaration had legal weight of any kind, surely a response to my questions would have corroborated that without such a conflict-of-interest scenario. You only have a conflict if the Fukino claim would not be supported by a Nagamine response.

It's an assumption on the part of the writer. Not the smoking gun proof. It's ridiculous. Hawaii does not have time to waste on this non issue. The federal government doesn't have time to waste on this non issue. Get over it. Obama will be president till at least January 20, 2013.

reply to post by whatukno


I don't think it would take that much time.
butterdezillion.wordpress.com...

There is no such thing as "dvanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage." It was made up for Me, Myself, and Irene. You can present all the "proof" you want, but it won't change the fact that it is fake. Yet, you truly think it is a real disorder people suffer from.

As you so eloquently put it: "Believing in something, this vehemently, that can be, and has been, proven false with 100% certainty hints at mental instability. I don't say that as an insult, but i know you'll take it as one anyways. "

Looks like you might need some time on the couch.

I think the saddest aspect of this whole debate is that people are damned for raising a legitimate question. This, however,seems typical of libs tho. Label anyone who disagrees with you as right-wing nuts, racists and mentally disturbed. Typical Marxist tactic to avoid the actual issue.



[edit on 3-2-2010 by skoalman88]

[edit on 3-2-2010 by skoalman88]

Originally posted by Dramey
all i want is a form that is legit by its own definition, that has been altered in no way, and that would fly in court

and that form has been seen by the people who needed to see it. You can see a copy in various places on the internet.

show em

It has been shown....

i have seen nothing other then this, and by its own admission it is invalid

no it is not actually

no one will show me a single piece of evidence that is not here-say that the president of the united states is a naturally born american

this is why birthers are considered to have mental problems - you just posted Obama's birth certificate, which shows he was born in Hawaii.... yet you then forget you posted it!

Democrats suddenly interested in Obama birth certificate
Senate campaign director plots to derail Republican candidates

here is another,

www.wnd.com...

The Politico report listed the following questions for Democrat to ask of Republican opponents:

* Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen?

* Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards?

* Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place?

* Do you think President Obama is a socialist?

* Do you think America should return to a gold standard?

Originally posted by Dramey
the whole post is seriously showing a lack of common sense

You argued that you need a birth certificate to get a drivers licence. I replied back by reminding you that Obama had presented his birth certificate, which is a short form, which is acceptable get a licence in many states.

Your argument there falls flat.

you and i are talking about the same document as far as i know, especially since NO ONE has given me any document other then one

The document is online. Are you incapable of using google? Why must somebody do the work for you?

static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com...

Thats the certification of birth presented by the Obama campaign at the time.

there are alterations on it

what alterations? Are you capable of referencing me an impartial source which claims this? Spokesperson from the Hawaiian health department, Janice Okubo, confirmed it was valid:

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

www.politifact.com...

Don't believe she actually said that? Look at the statement from Dr Fukino herself of the Hawaiian health department. Her phone number will be inside the PDF form:

hawaii.gov...

So tell me, what alterations? Is the entire Hawaiian state government implicated in the conspiracy? What is your source?

why is everyone ignoring that question

These are not questions, these are accusations that are baseless. Claiming the birth certificate had been altered, but having no qualifications or qualified sources to reference from are not merely "questions".

I dont know where you get the idea of claiming the birth certificate has been altered then masking it as "just a question". You are either making a conclusion or not.

i dont give a crap about long form, dont give a damn about short form

Then why go on about needing a birth certificate to get a drivers licence? If you dont care, stop arguing so.

no one will show me a single piece of evidence

The evidence is there, you just refuse to accept it. What else would you want aside from documentation already shown and confirmation from Hawaiian officials? Do you want to see a picture of when he was born?

If the above does not satisfy you, nothing else will. This is what happens when you allow personal issue to get in the way of sound judgement.

SG

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Southern Guardian]

Let us just assume for a moment that Obama was not a natural born American citizen.

How then did he keep it a secret for so long? Did he not attend a US university? How was he admitted, and how could the university not have known he wasn't an American born citizen? Wouldn't this same university by now have admitted that he was not born inside the confines of the United States of America? I would think they would know.

How did he enter the US before his college days if he was not a legal citizen? How did he enter politics if he was not a legal citizen? You don't think that at some stage of his political career that someone somewhere would not have noticed such a thing?

How is he currently the president of the United States of America? I believe US politics is scripted myself. However, no-one, within the US government, or its affiliated agencies ever noticed in all of this time that he was not a US born citizen? And none of them ever thought to step forward with the truth, if they were in possession of it? If they knew that he wasn't born in the USA?

Perhaps someone here could address all of my questions. I would certainly appreciate that.

Gee, who cares if he has a birth certificate or not

He's novel

He follows a number of religious faiths, apparently

He's better than all other Americans by virtue of the fact he has 26 Social Security Numbers

He's smarter than most Americans because he rose from nothing and nowhere to become President

He can read from a teleprompter as long as the writing's big

And his quotes are funnier than those of Bush

He observes to the letter the obedience demanded by Israel

And he's real smart when it comes to world affairs:

'The Mid East is obviously an issue which has plagued the region for ... centuries '

Originally posted by whatukno
The "publication" you are citing doesn't quote Nagamine in any way but instead summarizes what they supposedly obtained from Nagamine's office.

I wonder why they refuse to show the email they got, especially when they said they would show it....

Also I love the purpose behind the blog, "We are a group of citizen-journalists, collaborating to create a new model for news publication, in which citizens from all over the nation and world can submit reports and speak the truth"

But then they state "Comments disagreeing with editorials or articles, will generally not be published"

so they are only interested in views that they agree with, and are not interested in the truth at all!!

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

This will be my last post in this thread, some of you have taken it so entirely far off topic that it's laughable and pathetic.


This was about discovering whether or not Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage.

I presented my opinions, supported them with facts, and gave my argument.

You retort with name calling. Others demand to see my PhD and claim that they'll turn me into the police for "imitating a doctor" (Haha

)

You completely avoid the topic and instead choose to talk about something else. Which suggests an immediate conclusion

All of your actions, and nearly every "Birther" post in this thread is doing nothing but supporting the OP




Believing in something that you cannot prove is called faith.

Believing in something, this vehemently, that can be, and has been, proven false with 100% certainty hints at mental instability. I don't say that as an insult, but i know you'll take it as one anyways.


Oh Well.


End.




Edit to add:

Thank you to everyone who thought they were so clever for pointing out that this came from Me, Myself, & Irene. Yes, yes it did, the idea for the disorder came from Me, Myself, & Irene. I never once claimed it came from any where else.

However, each individual part of the affliction is a real, medically classified mental illness. We all know that mental illnesses come in many forms. It is, therefore, theoretically possible to suffer from more than 1 illness. I just propose that a small group of people suffer from 3.

You can either debate that, or continue your off-topic yammering.
Its up to you. I've said my peace, lots of people have agreed with me.

I'm done here.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Snarf]

Every time you talk about people "supporting the original poster" you are speaking in the third person... that is in itself a narcissistic disorder characteristic as well as a histrionic personality disorder characteristic.

If anyone here is in need of serious professional psychological intervention, it is not the "birthers"... it is the original poster!

The important thing is, Obama jumps to attention when Israel clicks its fingers

You should be proud of having such an Israel-obedient servant as US president

And clothes hang nicely on him

reply to post by Stormdancer777


From your link to this BLOG! (just want to clarify that it is a blog, and not a credited news agency)

The DNC are the people that needed the documentation, Obama would have given this authority to the DNC so that they could put him on the ballot. Not everyone in the United States is Nancy Pelosi, so not everyone in the United States is privy to private documents of one of it's citizens, thank god for the bill of rights. Something that Birthers would be more than happy to get rid of if it meant they could get at the president.

The fact remains that Obama is a US citizen and entitled to every protection under the Constitution including the protection against unreasonable searches and seizures of his personal papers and effects.

Of course part of this conspiracy is the part where Birthers want to rid the US citizens of their protections under the Constitution, something I have noted this entire time. It's sad really, I don't know why Birthers hate the Constitution so much but they do. They want to destroy it, tear it apart, just so they can go after the black man in the White House.

That BLOG, was facetious and rather poorly done, the person who wrote it obviously is not a lawyer nor has any clue. There is a reason that you can't get a copy of Obama's birth certificate, that reason is, if you got a copy of his birth certificate, what is to stop you from impersonating him? I mean if he wasn't the POTUS but some joe blow on the street, what is to stop you from obtaining his birth certificate and getting a drivers licence or social security card?

reply to post by whatukno


So do you believe it unreasonable for the taxpaying public of the United States, plus members of the US military who risk losing their lives as result of a US presidents decisions

to ask that president to provide (long after he took office) a birth certificate and other documents such as the documentation required of ordinary US citizens when seeking a loan, or college entry, or a driving licence, passport, etc. ?

Why do you believe it's unreasonable ?


I don't think it's unreasonable at all

And one can't help suspecting that Obama's failure to provide this vital document implies he cannot and that he has something to hide. Or maybe a lot to hide

Which is why this thread continues to grow and why questions about Obama continue to be asked

reply to post by Dock9


I guess you didn't catch the State of the Union address or the meeting with Republican House members. You would have witnessed a resolute yet reasonable and compassionate man of substance, abreast of the issues who does not care if he is elected next term. Try to catch O'Reilly when he has his body language experts dissect the whole thing. This is a candid and self assured man.

I only hope the principals he has resurrected will not end with his tenure.
You want to assign a divine quality to someone who just doesn't kid with you and tells you the unvarnished truth. That's your right.
This is a good man. Not perfect but well intended and honorable.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Yes. You must be right

And the world had the opportunity to see how abreast he is re: world affairs

within his stuttering, halting, desperate response to the college girl, live:

' The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for ... centuries '

after which -- why ? -- he went on to swear his loyalty and obedience to Israel

The world's jaw dropped

The penny finally dropped

We were watching someone whose idiocy eclipsed even Bush

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

This was about discovering whether or not Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage.
I presented my opinions, supported them with facts, and gave my argument.
You retort with name calling.

That last line there doesn't strike you as hypocritical at all?
This thread started with name calling. In the title, even.